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HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
July 12 2012 21:26 GMT
#81
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote:
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.


LOL...
ProgamerLive like a God or die like a Slave 11:11
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
July 12 2012 21:31 GMT
#82
On July 13 2012 06:26 HuK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote:
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.


LOL...

I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
July 12 2012 21:33 GMT
#83
Hmm, I just thought that one way IPL is able to salvage this is to give 2/8 spots to the WCS Canada winners, and 2/8 spots to the WCS NA winners.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
July 12 2012 21:34 GMT
#84
On July 13 2012 06:33 Azarkon wrote:
Hmm, I just thought that one way IPL is able to salvage this is to give 2/8 spots to the WCS Canada winners, and 2/8 spots to the WCS NA winners.

no bad ideas I like
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
July 12 2012 21:38 GMT
#85
On July 13 2012 03:56 HuK wrote:
all the players who wont be able to participate in this:

me, idra, incontrol, scarlett (top story of ur last IPL), jecho, tt1, drewbie, slush, jecho, kane, ostijiy, dde, ddoro etc.

Hey, I love you. Post more.

And good luck in NASL3!
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
KeyHunt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States218 Posts
July 12 2012 21:39 GMT
#86
On July 13 2012 06:31 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:26 HuK wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote:
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.


LOL...

I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example


I so hope you're joking lol.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 21:41:33
July 12 2012 21:41 GMT
#87
On July 13 2012 06:39 KeyHunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:31 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:26 HuK wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote:
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.


LOL...

I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example


I so hope you're joking lol.

nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
July 12 2012 21:42 GMT
#88
And the European Satellite clashes with MLG Summer Arena next weekend? So no Stephano, Nerchio, Grubby or Sase at IPL5 either?

Why not have big tournaments on at weekends, and online qualifiers for tournaments on Wednesdays? Pretty simple and would allow top players to travel to and from major tournaments and also participate in qualifiers on Wednesday?

I think it is a good thing that there are so many SC2 tournaments for players to try out for as this equates to more earning opportunities for the pro-gamers and more SC2 for fans like me to watch. However this clashing of dates is not in the best interests of anyone.

Maybe I am overlooking something given that I am not a tournament planner.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 21:47:56
July 12 2012 21:43 GMT
#89
On July 13 2012 06:41 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:39 KeyHunt wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:31 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:26 HuK wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote:
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.


LOL...

I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example


I so hope you're joking lol.

nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....


Tubbythefat and Xenocider apparently, if you just take a look at some of the last qualifiers HuK participated in.

On July 13 2012 06:42 revel8 wrote:
And the European Satellite clashes with MLG Summer Arena next weekend? So no Stephano, Nerchio, Grubby or Sase at IPL5 either?

Why not have big tournaments on at weekends, and online qualifiers for tournaments on Wednesdays? Pretty simple and would allow top players to travel to and from major tournaments and also participate in qualifiers on Wednesday?

I think it is a good thing that there are so many SC2 tournaments for players to try out for as this equates to more earning opportunities for the pro-gamers and more SC2 for fans like me to watch. However this clashing of dates is not in the best interests of anyone.

Maybe I am overlooking something given that I am not a tournament planner.

Nerchio canceled, Goody replaces him, but it seems like Nerchio isn't too keen on traveling to the US anyway. Stephano, Grubby, SaSe are a big loss, though. It also clashes with WCS Russia/Ukraine, so no White-Ra, Bly, Strelok, Fraer, Kas, Happy, TITAN, sLivko, LiveZerg, etc. either.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
July 12 2012 22:07 GMT
#90
Players should be bitching at their managers, not IPL.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
July 12 2012 22:10 GMT
#91
On July 13 2012 03:46 Mikezilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:44 Dexington wrote:
On July 13 2012 03:40 SynapseSC wrote:
On July 13 2012 03:39 Dexington wrote:
IPL just getting worse and worse in my opinion. Terrible scheduling, terrible announcements. Why could this thread not have been made a month ago? Better early than late, as in with 13 hours to go.

Seriously, AskJoshy, give me a valid reason why you waited until now to post this thread.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337913


Yes, there is an announcement thread with the links in there. That doesn't answer my question.

Why not make this thread a month ago? Clearly players needed more reminding.


To add to this, players are not only training, but they have a lot of tournament dates to remember. So the more reminders, the better.



It's not the organizations responsibility to remind the players of dates, it is their managers responsibility. IPL was obviuously in contact with the managers of the teams much prior to this thread. Place blame on them, not IPL
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
July 12 2012 22:11 GMT
#92
On July 13 2012 03:56 HuK wrote:
all the players who wont be able to participate in this:

me, idra, incontrol, scarlett (top story of ur last IPL), jecho, tt1, drewbie, slush, jecho, kane, ostijiy, dde, ddoro etc.



All players who would be out early, no big losses
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
July 12 2012 22:18 GMT
#93
On July 13 2012 06:41 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:39 KeyHunt wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:31 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:26 HuK wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote:
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.


LOL...

I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example


I so hope you're joking lol.

nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....



Uhhh basically any high master/GM NA player. You act like HuK/Idra are actually better then anyone else on the NA ladder, when in reality... they aren't
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
July 12 2012 22:21 GMT
#94
On July 13 2012 07:18 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:41 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:39 KeyHunt wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:31 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:26 HuK wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote:
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.


LOL...

I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example


I so hope you're joking lol.

nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....



Uhhh basically any high master/GM NA player. You act like HuK/Idra are actually better then anyone else on the NA ladder, when in reality... they aren't

high master/any gm on NA lolz from ur 2 lasts post im going to just assume your trolling
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 22:27:59
July 12 2012 22:24 GMT
#95
On July 13 2012 06:43 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:41 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:39 KeyHunt wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:31 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:26 HuK wrote:
On July 13 2012 06:20 VTPerfect wrote:
on the bright side some more unknown extremely gosu NA players will get more spots. I mean it sucks that alot of known players can't play but just because they can play doesn't mean they will actually win. And please don't hate on IPL, we should be thankful they actually host qualifiers to give NA more of a chance instead of just inviting a bunch of popular people that are going to get steam rolled and make NA look weak.


LOL...

I was thinking the same thing an unknown NA players is not going to be able to take down a Huk our idra. If they were to lose it would be to a known solid player like an Illusion for example


I so hope you're joking lol.

nope? feel free to name some unknown NA players that have a decent shot of beating a huk, and Idra....


Tubbythefat and Xenocider apparently, if you just take a look at some of the last qualifiers HuK participated in.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:42 revel8 wrote:
And the European Satellite clashes with MLG Summer Arena next weekend? So no Stephano, Nerchio, Grubby or Sase at IPL5 either?

Why not have big tournaments on at weekends, and online qualifiers for tournaments on Wednesdays? Pretty simple and would allow top players to travel to and from major tournaments and also participate in qualifiers on Wednesday?

I think it is a good thing that there are so many SC2 tournaments for players to try out for as this equates to more earning opportunities for the pro-gamers and more SC2 for fans like me to watch. However this clashing of dates is not in the best interests of anyone.

Maybe I am overlooking something given that I am not a tournament planner.

Nerchio canceled, Goody replaces him, but it seems like Nerchio isn't too keen on traveling to the US anyway. Stephano, Grubby, SaSe are a big loss, though. It also clashes with WCS Russia/Ukraine, so no White-Ra, Bly, Strelok, Fraer, Kas, Happy, TITAN, sLivko, LiveZerg, etc. either.

I use to be on a team with xeno i had a winning record vs him dont remember anything to special. but maybe your right qualifiers can be very unpredictable lots of people can take games off anyone. still feels like it really hurts the NA seen not having them play in it
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
July 12 2012 22:25 GMT
#96
On July 13 2012 07:18 magnaflow wrote:
Uhhh basically any high master/GM NA player. You act like HuK/Idra are actually better then anyone else on the NA ladder, when in reality... they aren't


Pretty much.

IdrA has yet to claw back to a good form, it has been going up the past weeks.
Let's see what he can deliver at the summer tournaments where he gets invites.

As for HuK, the pressure is on for the coming weekend after that "LOL" up there ^^

What always ofcourse counts in favor of specially those 2 prominent NA players is their huge huge offline tournament experience.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 12 2012 22:30 GMT
#97
Running these all in one day on the weekend is a bad idea to start with. IPL knows that there is almost always a big event going on during weekends. NASL was announced first. WCS Canada was announced a day after IPL's first announcement. Right then and there IPL needs to realize they can't do this on the same weekend. Yes IPL is the one who should change their date, why? because its an online event and can be changed easily.

These should be going on during the week, like all other qualifiers from major tournaments. Most of TSL, MLG, NASL qualifiers happen during the week. There is a reason for that. Because LANs happen on the weekend.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
July 12 2012 22:32 GMT
#98
On July 13 2012 07:11 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:56 HuK wrote:
all the players who wont be able to participate in this:

me, idra, incontrol, scarlett (top story of ur last IPL), jecho, tt1, drewbie, slush, jecho, kane, ostijiy, dde, ddoro etc.



All players who would be out early, no big losses



? people like you are reason why pros dont post on forums ... To say me or idra could lose to high NA players is definitely a possibility but to claim all these players who ARE top na players, would also be out early is just dumb.
ProgamerLive like a God or die like a Slave 11:11
MetaXelor
Profile Joined April 2012
United States26 Posts
July 12 2012 22:39 GMT
#99
These problems didn't come up in the past when IPL ran online qualifiers for their events. For example, IPL3 and IPL4 online qualifiers were run on weekends.

I wonder if all of this is just due to the larger number of LANs going on or if it's because of IPL's reduced emphasis on invites.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
July 12 2012 22:43 GMT
#100
i wonder if they get enough bad press for this they will change the date,or make the top north americans in nasl or wcs get seeds?
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