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On July 12 2012 21:37 Digitalis wrote:
byun is pretty underrated by the looks of this thread
I always thought he looked pretty killer since he came back
and coming from a drg fan I'd say he is a teensy bit overrated
the problem for Byun is that there is no more TvT atm and he's probably the best TvTer. Still not sure about his vP too but his mindgames will give him and edge for sure.
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On July 12 2012 21:34 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:29 iSunrise wrote:
Naniwa vs. DRG - would have been great finals. The 1st and the 5th game showed that.
IMHO Naniwa should earn a lot of respect for his play against DRG. And even though personally I may not like him that much, his play was quite astounding.
I´m not sure MC can beat DRG, but I think MC at least has an edge in the important micro battles.
MC can beat anyone. It's the reason why he's still our president, it all depends on what MC shows up.
Anyone that can get to RO4 is good enough to win the championship. How they perform that day will be a factor. A lot of people like to think one player is better than the other will win for sure. But this is just not the case. I mean Nestea got 3-0 by Byun today. But I can totally see Nestea win 2-0 in an online tournament a couple days later.
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I think Naniwa is the best performing foreign player in GSL ever as of now. Okay Jinro did go to semifinals twice but during a period when there was a lot more imbalance and shit still going on.
Huk was long in GSL but the difference for me is that I did not ever feel like Huk could win GSL. Maybe it is just me, but I never got the "holy shit Huk might actually take this feeling" when Huk was in GSL. Once he made it to round of 8 if I remember correct and then he lost a very one sided game 0-3 against MVP.
If Naniwa had 2 more sentries and had been able to split the army of DRG during the battle on the highground on Antiga. That would have made that Battle a lot more one sided for Naniwa and he would not have lost his immortals. This was the worst possible opponent for Naniwa and it went to the final game. If he had won on Antigua I think Naniwa would had a good chance on the title.
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On July 12 2012 21:37 Digitalis wrote:
byun is pretty underrated by the looks of this thread
I always thought he looked pretty killer since he came back
and coming from a drg fan I'd say he is a teensy bit overrated
I think a fair amount of people expected ByuN to outclass NesTea tbh, he's very, very good.
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On July 12 2012 21:38 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:36 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:35 Tayar wrote:On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is cause idra's such a great guy, anyone he doesn't like must be a horrible person. Haha seriously. I can't think of any other pro game who has a worse attitude than IdrA. When Naniwa loses he goes home, practices his ass off, invents new builds and changes the entire metagame. When IdrA loses he makes a web series called imbalance with Artosis, and then does as many interviews as possible complaining about how unfair shit is. the webshow he made while ripping apart Koreans in Code S? and generally being a baller in Korea?
the probe-rush thing was the only questionable moment i can think of Naniwa ever doing. however, one cannot count on two hands and two feet the amount of straight up idiotic and bad-attitude things idra has done.
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Well played Naniwa. You might not be the nicest person around, but it's nice watching a foreigner take it to the Koreans.
Hopefully the 'do anything and win' guys there start taking you a little more seriously.
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On July 12 2012 21:38 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:37 Digitalis wrote:
byun is pretty underrated by the looks of this thread
I always thought he looked pretty killer since he came back
and coming from a drg fan I'd say he is a teensy bit overrated the problem for Byun is that there is no more TvT atm and he's probably the best TvTer. Still not sure about his vP too but his mindgames will give him and edge for sure.
He won quite a a bit of TvP with just his ghost control. It was a pleasure to watch.
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On July 12 2012 21:38 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:37 Digitalis wrote:
byun is pretty underrated by the looks of this thread
I always thought he looked pretty killer since he came back
and coming from a drg fan I'd say he is a teensy bit overrated the problem for Byun is that there is no more TvT atm and he's probably the best TvTer. Still not sure about his vP too but his mindgames will give him and edge for sure.
Actually his TvP isn't bad either, and I think his best MU...
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On July 12 2012 21:36 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:32 Zheryn wrote:On July 12 2012 21:12 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:11 Orek wrote:
Wait, did we even see a single colossus in these 5 games? on entombed every other game was all-ins Only game 2 was an all in. and game one with his blink stalker all in and on entombed with his chargelot archon thing id count that 4 gate as semi-allin just looking at antiga all his tech and expansion was so insanely delayed
maybe you need to look up the definition of allin, then look at the games again.
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On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is
He chewed my face off in Providence because I wasn't enthusiastic enough about his autograph. I was getting autographs from other pro players, which are currently hanging up behind the bar in my restaurant, and Naniwa was kind of just awkwardly standing there. I said to myself "Well I should probably get his autograph too, even though I don't really know him that well, so that he doesn't feel left out/I don't appear to him to be rude." and offered him the pen and the poster. He said "If I don't want to?" and I just smiled and shrugged at him like "No big deal if you don't want to." and he went absolutely apeshit.
That experience is why I personally find it hard to get excited about Naniwa even though I respect that he's a good player.
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On July 12 2012 21:38 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:37 Digitalis wrote:
byun is pretty underrated by the looks of this thread
I always thought he looked pretty killer since he came back
and coming from a drg fan I'd say he is a teensy bit overrated the problem for Byun is that there is no more TvT atm and he's probably the best TvTer. Still not sure about his vP too but his mindgames will give him and edge for sure.
byun has amazing tvp, very creative
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On July 12 2012 21:40 RiZu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:38 sAsImre wrote:On July 12 2012 21:37 Digitalis wrote:
byun is pretty underrated by the looks of this thread
I always thought he looked pretty killer since he came back
and coming from a drg fan I'd say he is a teensy bit overrated the problem for Byun is that there is no more TvT atm and he's probably the best TvTer. Still not sure about his vP too but his mindgames will give him and edge for sure. He won quite a a bit of TvP with just his ghost control. It was a pleasure to watch.
I know he's really good, the question is more: Is his TvP GSL champion lvl. and i'm not 100% sure about that.
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On July 12 2012 21:39 4ZakeN87 wrote:
I think Naniwa is the best performing foreign player in GSL ever as of now. Okay Jinro did go to semifinals twice but during a period when there was a lot more imbalance and shit still going on.
Huk was long in GSL but the difference for me is that I dont ever feel like Huk could win GSL. Maybe it is just me, but I never got the "holy shit Huk might actually take this feeling" when Huk was in GSL. Once he made it to round of 8 if I remember correct and then he lost a very one sided game 0-3 against MVP if i remember correct.
If Naniwa had 2 more sentries and had been able to split the army of DRG during the battle on the highground on Antiga. That would have made that Battle a lot more one sided for Naniwa and he would not have lost his immortals. This was the worst possible opponent for Naniwa and it went to the final game. If he had won on Antigua I think Naniwa would had a good chance on the title.
so basically
"i know Jinro has gotten better results in GSL then Naniwa but i dont like Jinro so lets just ignore him"
you cant just ignore Jinro, hes gotten the best results in the GSL of any foreigner ever
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On July 12 2012 21:39 4ZakeN87 wrote:
I think Naniwa is the best performing foreign player in GSL ever as of now. Okay Jinro did go to semifinals twice but during a period when there was a lot more imbalance and shit still going on.
Huk was long in GSL but the difference for me is that I dont ever feel like Huk could win GSL. Maybe it is just me, but I never got the "holy shit Huk might actually take this feeling" when Huk was in GSL. Once he made it to round of 8 if I remember correct and then he lost a very one sided game 0-3 against MVP if i remember correct.
If Naniwa had 2 more sentries and had been able to split the army of DRG during the battle on the highground on Antiga. That would have made that Battle a lot more one sided for Naniwa and he would not have lost his immortals. This was the worst possible opponent for Naniwa and it went to the final game. If he had won on Antigua I think Naniwa would had a good chance on the title.
Great post. I agree with it wholeheartedly!
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On July 12 2012 21:39 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:38 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:36 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:35 Tayar wrote:On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is cause idra's such a great guy, anyone he doesn't like must be a horrible person. Haha seriously. I can't think of any other pro game who has a worse attitude than IdrA. When Naniwa loses he goes home, practices his ass off, invents new builds and changes the entire metagame. When IdrA loses he makes a web series called imbalance with Artosis, and then does as many interviews as possible complaining about how unfair shit is. the webshow he made while ripping apart Koreans in Code S? and generally being a baller in Korea? the probe-rush thing was the only questionable moment i can think of Naniwa ever doing. however, one cannot count on two hands and two feet the amount of straight up idiotic and bad-attitude things idra has done.
Well he wasn't very nice with some players in interviews. The fact is that it was quite some time ago, and since, he's improved a lot with respect and attitude...
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On July 12 2012 21:07 Animzor wrote:
Can't understand why a foreigner would want DRG to win.
Agree. Not cheering for the foreigner is like treason. It's like being English and cheering for Spain to win the world cup because they are the better team. Foreigners are one! Even if you hate the player, you should cheer for him so that we can crush these Koreans once and for all.
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On July 12 2012 21:41 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:40 RiZu wrote:On July 12 2012 21:38 sAsImre wrote:On July 12 2012 21:37 Digitalis wrote:
byun is pretty underrated by the looks of this thread
I always thought he looked pretty killer since he came back
and coming from a drg fan I'd say he is a teensy bit overrated the problem for Byun is that there is no more TvT atm and he's probably the best TvTer. Still not sure about his vP too but his mindgames will give him and edge for sure. He won quite a a bit of TvP with just his ghost control. It was a pleasure to watch. I know he's really good, the question is more: Is his TvP GSL champion lvl. and i'm not 100% sure about that.
i think it is :D he took out parting, squirtle, ace, seed, genius, etc lots of great PvTers
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On July 12 2012 21:29 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:27 sickle wrote:On July 12 2012 21:23 sc14s wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm I'll skip the sarcasm and say i just plain don't like the fellow even if i respect him as a good player i really dislike him as a person so cannot really root for him.. pretty much any other foreigner (aside from idra) i would be rooting for all the way in the gsl. You don't like him as a person? So, you've met and talked with him in real life and got to know him? Peoples' actions in the public view shape perceptions. So what if he hasn't met him? I haven't met Naniwa in person, I can still have an opinion of him based on what I see. If he doesn't like it maybe he should change his behaviour.
Agreed. I'm not quite an antifan of Naniwa, but based on what I have seen of him, I must say that I have considerably less respect for him as a person than I do for many other progamers. Obviously his play is fantastic and obviously he's not a terrible person. However I just have my reasons for not liking him as a person as much as other pros.
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On July 12 2012 21:42 disinfect wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:07 Animzor wrote:
Can't understand why a foreigner would want DRG to win. Agree. Not cheering for the foreigner is like treason. It's like being English and cheering for Spain to win the world cup because they are the better team. Foreigners are one! Even if you hate the player, you should cheer for him so that we can crush these Koreans once and for all.
it seems that having "sweden" near your name works like a disease whenever Nani's involved in something...
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