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On July 12 2012 21:29 MrKn4rz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:18 Ragnarork wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 sc14s wrote:On July 12 2012 21:17 HolyArrow wrote:On July 12 2012 21:15 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:14 Nabes wrote:
So the GSL actually did use the wrong map in game 1 nestea vs byun o_o source? Lol if they did, that's huuuuge. One could argue that the first game threw Nestea on tilt and that if it was indeed the wrong map then it throws the entire series into question, no matter how badly you think he played or how well you think Byun played. I really hope that isn't the case though, it would really be disappointing to see such a dumb mistake made by whoever's supposed to be choosing the maps. someone earlier in the thread posted pics of earlier games on the map with supply depots showing. Those weren't from this serie I think... Thats the point.
Oops, indeed. My bad. Completely misunderstood the previous post :/
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On July 12 2012 21:29 iSunrise wrote:
Naniwa vs. DRG - would have been great finals. The 1st and the 5th game showed that.
IMHO Naniwa should earn a lot of respect for his play against DRG. And even though personally I may not like him that much, his play was quite astounding.
I´m not sure MC can beat DRG, but I think MC at least has an edge in the important micro battles.
MC can beat anyone. It's the reason why he's still our president, it all depends on what MC shows up.
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naniwa has the best attitude:
win, win, win.
whereas most other foreigners it's
lose, lose, lose (then complain)
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On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is
I mean maybe I'm wrong, but has Idra even interacted with Naniwa lately? Have they been in any tournaments together in 2012? I guess maybe MLG, but do you have any source with a date?
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On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is
haters gonna hate? What is with all this fuelling the fire bullshit? What is wrong with you? Naniwa played well today, and game 1 was just a treat to watch, I have read people write that he was in fact quite mannered, so let it be?
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On July 12 2012 21:23 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:22 GhostyGhost wrote:On July 12 2012 21:19 Zambrah wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Aeceus wrote:
Byun vs DRG finals would be awesome Ehh, I dunno man, DRG vT seems like he'd just roflstomp ByuN. But hey, maybe ByuN is truly capable of pulling out God Mode and taking DRG out, I can definitely see that being the case... Ryung borrowed a page from MMA's book and beat drg in a macro game by constant harassment and small engagements. Byun can do the same thing. But over a whole series? That'd be incredible. Well, you have to take the map into consideration, Whirlwind is ultramassive, though I can STILL see ByuN pulling the constant drop style off on some of the other maps, but probably to a reduced effect. EDIT: DRG vs ByuN would probably make for a beastly finals, but I just... I just can't see DRG losing.
A ZvT finals between DRG and Byun would be horrific. Byun ripped Nestea to shreds, but DRG is a whole different ball-game. He's not called the "Terran Killer" for nothing.
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On July 12 2012 21:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:27 Assirra wrote:On July 12 2012 21:25 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 12 2012 21:11 Lunareste wrote:On July 12 2012 21:09 elKaDor wrote:On July 12 2012 21:07 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On July 12 2012 21:07 Animzor wrote:
Can't understand why a foreigner would want DRG to win. Uhm do you think the nation is everything that matters to people? Seriously? Aight so u dont want any foreigner to win GSL ? I don't care where someone is from, I just want to see the best players play. Unfortunately for you?, Koreans are almost always the better players. Well, to cheer for foreigners is a bit like cheering for the development of SC2. The Korean dominance is one of the main issues with the SC2 Esport scene. Course it does not matter for the ûber hardcore, but those are only a small percentage out of the potential SC2 audience. People that are working their ass off and winning is an issue in the scene ? Are you making yourself stupid, or are you actually? If you dont understand the issue with one country completely dominating a sport are retarded beyond believe. Yeah lets just take the best country and make only those compete in the olympics. So then we only have Chines competing. I am sure that the number of viewers wont move at all.. Really why do I even respond to this...
Obviously, it would be great if we had more foreigners that are more competitive. However, I don't think it is that big of a deal. Also, if there was no dominate country, things like GSL probably wouldn't be possible. We would only have weekend style offline tournaments and online tournaments.
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On July 12 2012 21:20 Adreme wrote:Can someone find me some games from this season to see if they have been using different versions all season or have they just been stealth changing it.
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls3/vod/67571
[2012 GSL Season 3] Code A, Round1, Day1, Match7 - NSH_jjakji vs MVP_Monster
It was one of the images I posted earlier. The other image is from last season. I don't have access to all the VODs since I don't have a pass to see all the Metropolis games, but there has been at least this one played on Metropolis with neutral depots this season.
edit for screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/pU6x9.jpg
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On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is
cause idra's such a great guy, anyone he doesn't like must be a horrible person.
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On July 12 2012 21:21 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:20 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2012 21:19 Hall0wed wrote:On July 12 2012 21:17 Figgy wrote:On July 12 2012 21:15 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:14 Nabes wrote:
So the GSL actually did use the wrong map in game 1 nestea vs byun o_o source? There is no source. It's a bullshit lie. There has never been a neutral depot there. Indeed. Dude was just making crap up to try and cause drama that isn't there. Can someone find me some games from this season to see if they have been using different versions all season or have they just been stealth changing it. I just looked at the VoD for Seed vs. Symbol, there is NO neutral supply depot.
Im glad to hear that. Anyway I couldnt possibly imagine a circumstance where GOM would make such a terrible mistake and not even reconizing it or make a regame. Every other League/Tournament yes but not GOM.
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On July 12 2012 21:35 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:23 Zambrah wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 GhostyGhost wrote:On July 12 2012 21:19 Zambrah wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Aeceus wrote:
Byun vs DRG finals would be awesome Ehh, I dunno man, DRG vT seems like he'd just roflstomp ByuN. But hey, maybe ByuN is truly capable of pulling out God Mode and taking DRG out, I can definitely see that being the case... Ryung borrowed a page from MMA's book and beat drg in a macro game by constant harassment and small engagements. Byun can do the same thing. But over a whole series? That'd be incredible. Well, you have to take the map into consideration, Whirlwind is ultramassive, though I can STILL see ByuN pulling the constant drop style off on some of the other maps, but probably to a reduced effect. EDIT: DRG vs ByuN would probably make for a beastly finals, but I just... I just can't see DRG losing. A ZvT finals between DRG and Byun would be horrific. Byun ripped Nestea to shreds, but DRG is a whole different ball-game. He's not called the "Terran Killer" for nothing.
or would be the hell of a final, just depending on Byun's level. On the other hand a MC/Byun or DRG/Seed guarantee pretty much a good final (and lot of hatred for Seed in the lattercase)
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I think Naniwa is a little misunderstood to be honest, clearly social skills aren't his strong point and he can come across poorly sometimes, but I don't think he's intentionally, or genuinely BM.
Aside from that, I like that he's no-nonsense and focuses on winning games over everything else, the game is more important to him than appearances and his play speaks for itself.
Fact is, if he wasn't Code S level, he wouldn't get out of the groups. Certainly not more than once.
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On July 12 2012 21:32 Zheryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:12 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:11 Orek wrote:
Wait, did we even see a single colossus in these 5 games? on entombed every other game was all-ins Only game 2 was an all in.
and game one with his blink stalker all in
and on entombed with his chargelot archon thing
id count that 4 gate as semi-allin just looking at antiga all his tech and expansion was so insanely delayed
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On July 12 2012 21:35 Tayar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is cause idra's such a great guy, anyone he doesn't like must be a horrible person.
Haha seriously. I can't think of any other pro game who has a worse attitude than IdrA. When Naniwa loses he goes home, practices his ass off, invents new builds and changes the entire metagame. When IdrA loses he makes a web series called imbalance with Artosis, and then does as many interviews as possible complaining about how unfair shit is.
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Not as funny as when MVP cheesed him out but still great.
Here's to hopoing for a DRG vs. Byun finals.
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byun is pretty underrated by the looks of this thread
I always thought he looked pretty killer since he came back
and coming from a drg fan I'd say he is a teensy bit overrated
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Naniwa played really well today for sure! I feel with him losing this ;( next time naniwa!
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On July 12 2012 21:35 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:23 Zambrah wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 GhostyGhost wrote:On July 12 2012 21:19 Zambrah wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Aeceus wrote:
Byun vs DRG finals would be awesome Ehh, I dunno man, DRG vT seems like he'd just roflstomp ByuN. But hey, maybe ByuN is truly capable of pulling out God Mode and taking DRG out, I can definitely see that being the case... Ryung borrowed a page from MMA's book and beat drg in a macro game by constant harassment and small engagements. Byun can do the same thing. But over a whole series? That'd be incredible. Well, you have to take the map into consideration, Whirlwind is ultramassive, though I can STILL see ByuN pulling the constant drop style off on some of the other maps, but probably to a reduced effect. EDIT: DRG vs ByuN would probably make for a beastly finals, but I just... I just can't see DRG losing. A ZvT finals between DRG and Byun would be horrific. Byun ripped Nestea to shreds, but DRG is a whole different ball-game. He's not called the "Terran Killer" for nothing.
I think that if DRG ever gets into a BO7 in another gom event vs. a terran he is going to just decimate them because he will flash back to blizzard cup and pretend it is MMA.
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On July 12 2012 21:36 alexanderzero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:35 Tayar wrote:On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is cause idra's such a great guy, anyone he doesn't like must be a horrible person. Haha seriously. I can't think of any other pro game who has a worse attitude than IdrA. When Naniwa loses he goes home, practices his ass off, invents new builds and changes the entire metagame. When IdrA loses he makes a web series called imbalance with Artosis, and then does as many interviews as possible complaining about how unfair shit is.
the webshow he made while ripping apart Koreans in Code S? and generally being a baller in Korea?
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On July 12 2012 21:35 Tayar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:31 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is cause idra's such a great guy, anyone he doesn't like must be a horrible person.
It's not just Idra, his previous team managers have come out and said that Naniwa was the most difficult player they've ever had to manage, and teams have gone out of their way to get rid of him for it.
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