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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 12 2012 12:25 GMT
#4421
On July 12 2012 21:24 Zambrah wrote:
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On July 12 2012 21:23 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:22 Zambrah wrote:
At this rate Naniwa might seriously lose both of his Ro8 runs to the Champion-to-be, lol.


In fact Naniwa isn't a Kingslayer. HE'S A KING MAKER !


Oh god, Naniwa is going to spawn his own curse...


That'd be awesome. Now DRG absolutely needs to win this. There is a whole legend to write there.
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4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
July 12 2012 12:25 GMT
#4422
On July 12 2012 21:11 Lunareste wrote:
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On July 12 2012 21:09 elKaDor wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:07 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:07 Animzor wrote:
Can't understand why a foreigner would want DRG to win.


Uhm do you think the nation is everything that matters to people? Seriously?


Aight so u dont want any foreigner to win GSL ?


I don't care where someone is from, I just want to see the best players play.

Unfortunately for you?, Koreans are almost always the better players.


Well, to cheer for foreigners is a bit like cheering for the development of SC2.

The Korean dominance is one of the main issues with the SC2 Esport scene. Course it does not matter for the ûber hardcore, but those are only a small percentage out of the potential SC2 audience.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 12 2012 12:25 GMT
#4423
On July 12 2012 21:21 Pirat6662001 wrote:
Just to clarify- Naniwa had great micro, but terrible unit control. Those are two different things. His untis didnt move together, didnt split well, he would forget parts of them (like in the last game a group of 8 stalkers sat after warp in and didnt participate in the fight on the high groud), move command into armys. He had terrible control of his units that was almost overshadowed by great micro.


Yeah I've noticed that in his PvP's as well, he'll micro his ass off with a collossus but his immortals will be sitting around doing nothing. I think multitasking was never his strong point.

Was a really great run though, have to respect him for that

Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 12 2012 12:26 GMT
#4424
On July 12 2012 21:22 speknek wrote:
Wow didnt expect byun to win, especially with 3-0.

Glad the superior player won in the other quarter


The superior player won in all four quarterfinal games. I feel like this is some snide insult to Naniwa, you don't need to single out him with "the other quarter" you know. MC, Seed, DRG, and Byun all played better than their opponents and deserve to be where they are because they're more skilled right now (at least in the matchups they played). Emphasis on right now.

Same would be true if it was Symbol, Taeja, Naniwa, and Nestea.
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Poilon
Profile Joined December 2010
France139 Posts
July 12 2012 12:26 GMT
#4425
I don't like Naniwa, he is reallllly good at this game, but don't like his behavior, he is antipathetic to me. So I wanted DRG to win, because I know he'll provide some better games, especially I wanted to see a MC/DRG match so badly ! This is why a foreigner can cheer for a korean and not necessarily the only foreigner. I would love to see Stephano/Mana/anyone else at the top though
Des rats des rats
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 12 2012 12:26 GMT
#4426
On July 12 2012 21:24 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:23 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:22 Zambrah wrote:
At this rate Naniwa might seriously lose both of his Ro8 runs to the Champion-to-be, lol.


In fact Naniwa isn't a Kingslayer. HE'S A KING MAKER !

That makes it sound like he makes them.
King Sacrifice sounds more appropriate


Naaah, he opens the path, and then let the king ride into the next round ! :D
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habeck
Profile Joined February 2011
1120 Posts
July 12 2012 12:27 GMT
#4427
Really WP Naniwa, was fun watching You, Hope you will do better next Season, GL!
sickle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand656 Posts
July 12 2012 12:27 GMT
#4428
On July 12 2012 21:23 sc14s wrote:
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On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level?


Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B.

/sarcasm

I'll skip the sarcasm and say i just plain don't like the fellow even if i respect him as a good player i really dislike him as a person so cannot really root for him.. pretty much any other foreigner (aside from idra) i would be rooting for all the way in the gsl.


You don't like him as a person? So, you've met and talked with him in real life and got to know him?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 12 2012 12:27 GMT
#4429
On July 12 2012 21:20 alexanderzero wrote:
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On July 12 2012 21:16 silent_owl wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:14 Killmouse wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:13 Miah121 wrote:
DRG looked mortal in these games. MC will go into the RO4 as slight favourite for me.

tbh mc looked mortal too vs taeja


MC fanboy as I am, I have to say that MC has lost his god-likeness. He himself got emotional over making it to a ro4 for the first time in a long time.


I feel like every godlike SC2 player has kinda lost that aura of ultimate power right now. Things that have put players on top in the past like being a mechanical beast, a crazy metagamer, a creative player, and stuff just doesn't cut it any more. You have to be able to do pretty much everything well to even stay in the GSL right now. The range of strategies in SC2 is becoming absurdly large, so it's really gonna take a true genius to climb their way to the top and stay up there. It's a really exciting time in SC2 though. I feel like in the next year or two we might see the first true SC2 bonjwa!


I think it has to do with the design of sc2, it just has more randomness it seems and the meta game changes are quicker. In BW, mechanics was so important that someone with a slight mechanics advantage had a huge impact. And remember there are a lot more big tournaments now so you see the top player losing more. But if DRG wins this GSL, it would be 2 out of 3.
alexanderzero
Profile Joined June 2008
United States659 Posts
July 12 2012 12:27 GMT
#4430
On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level?


Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B.

/sarcasm

no but Naniwa is still a rude little man


Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that.
I am a tournament organizazer.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 12 2012 12:27 GMT
#4431
On July 12 2012 21:25 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:11 Lunareste wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:09 elKaDor wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:07 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:07 Animzor wrote:
Can't understand why a foreigner would want DRG to win.


Uhm do you think the nation is everything that matters to people? Seriously?


Aight so u dont want any foreigner to win GSL ?


I don't care where someone is from, I just want to see the best players play.

Unfortunately for you?, Koreans are almost always the better players.


Well, to cheer for foreigners is a bit like cheering for the development of SC2.

The Korean dominance is one of the main issues with the SC2 Esport scene. Course it does not matter for the ûber hardcore, but those are only a small percentage out of the potential SC2 audience.

People that are working their ass off and winning is an issue in the scene ?
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
July 12 2012 12:27 GMT
#4432
In case nobody noticed, this has been the closest ro8 ever. 2 toss, 1 zerg ,1 terran advance out of 3 toss, 3 zergs, 2 terrans All ro8 series went to game 5. O.O
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
July 12 2012 12:28 GMT
#4433
On July 12 2012 21:27 sickle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:23 sc14s wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level?


Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B.

/sarcasm

I'll skip the sarcasm and say i just plain don't like the fellow even if i respect him as a good player i really dislike him as a person so cannot really root for him.. pretty much any other foreigner (aside from idra) i would be rooting for all the way in the gsl.


You don't like him as a person? So, you've met and talked with him in real life and got to know him?


He just doesn't like Naniwa, thats not to say he doesn't like Johan Lucchesi. :-p
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 12 2012 12:28 GMT
#4434
On July 12 2012 21:23 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level?


Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B.

/sarcasm

I'll skip the sarcasm and say i just plain don't like the fellow even if i respect him as a good player i really dislike him as a person so cannot really root for him.. pretty much any other foreigner (aside from idra) i would be rooting for all the way in the gsl.


Oh I have no issue for anybody who dislikes him, I just think it's funny for people to deny his skill and then cheer for people knocked out in the Ro32/Ro16 or even in Code A. You're more than welcome to like whoever you want. Personally I don't like MKP, but I don't deny his skill.

Does anyone say Hero is bad? Idts, but I think 2 Ro8 is more impressive than Ro4/Ro32 last place exit. Just one example.
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 12 2012 12:28 GMT
#4435
On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote:
I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level?


Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B.

/sarcasm

Nicely done You kind of summed up what's inside those haters' head.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 12 2012 12:28 GMT
#4436
On July 12 2012 21:27 babysimba wrote:
In case nobody noticed, this has been the closest ro8 ever. 2 toss, 1 zerg ,1 terran advance out of 3 toss, 3 zergs, 2 terrans All ro8 series went to game 5. O.O


Byun 3-0'd Nestea.
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 12 2012 12:29 GMT
#4437
On July 12 2012 21:27 babysimba wrote:
In case nobody noticed, this has been the closest ro8 ever. 2 toss, 1 zerg ,1 terran advance out of 3 toss, 3 zergs, 2 terrans All ro8 series went to game 5. O.O


Byun went 3-0
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 12:29:33
July 12 2012 12:29 GMT
#4438
Naniwa vs. DRG - would have been great finals. The 1st and the 5th game showed that.
IMHO Naniwa should earn a lot of respect for his play against DRG. And even though personally I may not like him that much, his play was quite astounding.

I´m not sure MC can beat DRG, but I think MC at least has an edge in the important micro battles.

MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
July 12 2012 12:29 GMT
#4439
On July 12 2012 21:18 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:18 sc14s wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:17 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:15 Forikorder wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:14 Nabes wrote:
So the GSL actually did use the wrong map in game 1 nestea vs byun o_o

source?


Lol if they did, that's huuuuge. One could argue that the first game threw Nestea on tilt and that if it was indeed the wrong map then it throws the entire series into question, no matter how badly you think he played or how well you think Byun played. I really hope that isn't the case though, it would really be disappointing to see such a dumb mistake made by whoever's supposed to be choosing the maps.

someone earlier in the thread posted pics of earlier games on the map with supply depots showing.


Those weren't from this serie I think...

Thats the point.
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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
July 12 2012 12:29 GMT
#4440
i think thats the best performance a foreigner will have in quite some time now. only one who can top it is naniwa reachin top4 gsl which most likely is just going to get harder and harder

jinro might just become our best performance foreigner in sc2 wol ^^
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