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On July 12 2012 21:27 babysimba wrote: In case nobody noticed, this has been the closest ro8 ever. 2 toss, 1 zerg ,1 terran advance out of 3 toss, 3 zergs, 2 terrans All ro8 series went to game 5. O.O
Except for ByuN Nestea series -.-
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On July 12 2012 21:27 sickle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:23 sc14s wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote: I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm I'll skip the sarcasm and say i just plain don't like the fellow even if i respect him as a good player i really dislike him as a person so cannot really root for him.. pretty much any other foreigner (aside from idra) i would be rooting for all the way in the gsl. You don't like him as a person? So, you've met and talked with him in real life and got to know him?
Peoples' actions in the public view shape perceptions. So what if he hasn't met him? I haven't met Naniwa in person, I can still have an opinion of him based on what I see. If he doesn't like it maybe he should change his behaviour.
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On July 12 2012 21:27 babysimba wrote: In case nobody noticed, this has been the closest ro8 ever. 2 toss, 1 zerg ,1 terran advance out of 3 toss, 3 zergs, 2 terrans All ro8 series went to game 5. O.O
Byun vs Nestea didn't go to game 5.
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On July 12 2012 21:27 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:25 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 12 2012 21:11 Lunareste wrote:On July 12 2012 21:09 elKaDor wrote:On July 12 2012 21:07 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On July 12 2012 21:07 Animzor wrote: Can't understand why a foreigner would want DRG to win. Uhm do you think the nation is everything that matters to people? Seriously? Aight so u dont want any foreigner to win GSL ? I don't care where someone is from, I just want to see the best players play. Unfortunately for you?, Koreans are almost always the better players. Well, to cheer for foreigners is a bit like cheering for the development of SC2. The Korean dominance is one of the main issues with the SC2 Esport scene. Course it does not matter for the ûber hardcore, but those are only a small percentage out of the potential SC2 audience. People that are working their ass off and winning is an issue in the scene ?
Are you making yourself stupid, or are you actually?
If you dont understand the issue with one country completely dominating a sport are retarded beyond believe. Yeah lets just take the best country and make only those compete in the olympics. So then we only have Chines competing. I am sure that the number of viewers wont move at all..
Really why do I even respond to this...
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awesome, not THAT much whine. better than most LR i think
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On July 12 2012 21:29 MorroW wrote: i think thats the best performance a foreigner will have in quite some time now. only one who can top it is naniwa reachin top4 gsl which most likely is just going to get harder and harder
jinro might just become our best performance foreigner in sc2 wol ^^
if Nani has the time he can do it. Hell he just has to get a PvP and he would be favored :D
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There's a massive difference between not liking a player because they are dickish and not respecting them for their skilmost people don't like him because he is kind of known for being disrespectful. Stephano too (not showing up for his scheduled tourney games.)
some people hate his attitude so much it spills over into their assessment of his skill. Do I think naniwa is good? Of course. Do I think he is a prick? Hell yes. it's one thing to be joke-bm like mc but naniwa is just bm.
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Ah i conveniently forget that series due to 1 sided stomp rofl.
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On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote: I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that.
Maybe he was just nervous.
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On July 12 2012 21:30 opterown wrote: awesome, not THAT much whine. better than most LR i think Personally, I prefer wine to whine, anyway.
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Naniwa vs. Dongraegu was an impressive series. Very enjoyable to watch. Almost looked like Naniwa would take it.
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On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote: I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man Naniwa may be just a tiny bit anti-social, and that is probably magnified when in front of huge crowds of people and on livestreams that are being watched by thousands of people. I remember not liking him at first, but watching him closely reveals things about him that I think are pretty interesting. He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. no but pretty much everyone saids that in private Naniwa is a pretty rude guy, watch JP real talk IdrA he goes into details on how horrible a person Naniwa is
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On July 12 2012 21:28 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote: I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm Nicely done  You kind of summed up what's inside those haters' head.
Why thank you!
I guess another reason people might dislike Naniwa is because he's honest. But if he says things like "I don't think X player is good," he'll get blasted for it, but if MVP said something like "I don't think X player is good" everyone would nod and say "oh MVP saying it like it is, well done." but oh well, it's all perspective. I like Naniwa because he's honest, he doesn't have any of the false images that other people (not necessarily SC2, just any kind of celebrity) have, which is an advantage of SC2 (not mainstream = not influenced by media/PR nearly as much). Koreans don't do that because their culture is different, which is another reason Nani stands out.
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On July 12 2012 21:25 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:11 Lunareste wrote:On July 12 2012 21:09 elKaDor wrote:On July 12 2012 21:07 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On July 12 2012 21:07 Animzor wrote: Can't understand why a foreigner would want DRG to win. Uhm do you think the nation is everything that matters to people? Seriously? Aight so u dont want any foreigner to win GSL ? I don't care where someone is from, I just want to see the best players play. Unfortunately for you?, Koreans are almost always the better players. Well, to cheer for foreigners is a bit like cheering for the development of SC2. The Korean dominance is one of the main issues with the SC2 Esport scene. Course it does not matter for the ûber hardcore, but those are only a small percentage out of the potential SC2 audience.
Not really? Until very recently the fighting game scene was dominated by Japanese players and that scene is around 25 years old now. Just this past weekend EVO had absolutely amazing viewership numbers, so it's still popular. Koreans can dominate SC2 forever and as long as SC2 itself is interesting it'll be alive. I don't want someone to win GSL just because they're a foreigner, I want someone to win GSL because they're the best player, or one of the best players. When non-Koreans get to that point it'll be amazing, but I'm not going to cheer for a guy just because he's a foreigner over someone who can realistically win the whole tournament.
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Naniwa is actually so good even lose this match,go foreigners!
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On July 12 2012 21:12 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:11 Orek wrote: Wait, did we even see a single colossus in these 5 games? on entombed every other game was all-ins
Only game 2 was an all in.
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On July 12 2012 21:30 GwSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:27 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:22 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:21 Alryk wrote:On July 12 2012 21:18 Eee wrote: I can't believe people are saying that Naniwa isn't code s level. He's made ro8 back to back now, and he just went 2-3 against DRG, and he had a good chance to take the third games. How is that not Code S level? Clearly, because he's a foreigner who used to be BM and 7 probe rushed Nestea this one time, and even though he has become much more humble (comparatively) and respectful (definitely) of his opponents, he is just a bad allin foreigner protoss who can't actually hang with koreans and gets by through a combination of luck and his opponents derping. It's not actually his own skill level - if his opponents played like they would against any normal korean, he would easily be Code B. /sarcasm no but Naniwa is still a rude little man He seems to think extremely quickly at all times. When sitting in the booth he was twitching and moving around ridiculously fast (compared to DRG who was barely moving at all). I got the impression that his mind was completely racing. Considering his cerebral style of play, maybe he is just a more introverted and intellectual type of guy who doesn't value things like propping up some superficial image of himself. I kinda respect that. Maybe he was just nervous.
Yeah that's certainly possible. Still, I don't think I have ever fidgeted that much or that quickly in my life.
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On July 12 2012 21:30 opterown wrote: awesome, not THAT much whine. better than most LR i think
Nani's personality is beginning to be thoroughly dissected though, a regular event in any Nani game LR thread. We must discuss at length every bad thing about his personality and why we hate him.
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On July 12 2012 21:32 Zheryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:12 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 21:11 Orek wrote: Wait, did we even see a single colossus in these 5 games? on entombed every other game was all-ins Only game 2 was an all in.
5 was a super fast b3 with an epic defense.
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On July 12 2012 21:27 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:20 alexanderzero wrote:On July 12 2012 21:16 silent_owl wrote:On July 12 2012 21:14 Killmouse wrote:On July 12 2012 21:13 Miah121 wrote: DRG looked mortal in these games. MC will go into the RO4 as slight favourite for me. tbh mc looked mortal too vs taeja MC fanboy as I am, I have to say that MC has lost his god-likeness. He himself got emotional over making it to a ro4 for the first time in a long time. I feel like every godlike SC2 player has kinda lost that aura of ultimate power right now. Things that have put players on top in the past like being a mechanical beast, a crazy metagamer, a creative player, and stuff just doesn't cut it any more. You have to be able to do pretty much everything well to even stay in the GSL right now. The range of strategies in SC2 is becoming absurdly large, so it's really gonna take a true genius to climb their way to the top and stay up there. It's a really exciting time in SC2 though. I feel like in the next year or two we might see the first true SC2 bonjwa! I think it has to do with the design of sc2, it just has more randomness it seems and the meta game changes are quicker. In BW, mechanics was so important that someone with a slight mechanics advantage had a huge impact. And remember there are a lot more big tournaments now so you see the top player losing more. But if DRG wins this GSL, it would be 2 out of 3.
This has more to do with how new and undeveloped sc2 is. A few month ago people said "build ultralisks to lose when you are ahead", then a wild stephano appeared and his ultralisks were super effective... and suddenly the Zerg style of all Zergs (except for some reason NesTea) completely changed.
If there wouldn't be an expansion coming, this would stabilize over time, but until a year after LotV i doubt we'll see a stable metagame and unbeatable bonj... *cough* sorry, stars.
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