EPTOn July 04 2012 19:21 zezamer wrote:
Already +50 pages. naniwa lost ? just came home. score ?
Already +50 pages. naniwa lost ? just came home. score ?
2-1. That's what the OP is for, though, just read it
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
2-1. That's what the OP is for, though, just read it | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:18 snotboogie wrote: What if I told you... that he is right in this instance? Depends what you classify as attacking. Artosis mentioned after that pressure is fine, and that is what Day9 usually refers to as attacking. In general, you don't want to fully commit to an attack if you are expanding, but that depends on what advantages you have in the game at that particular time. In that game, Keen had a better economy and a faster 3rd, there was no need to try and attempt to take map control against Byun who had a larger marine count. | ||
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ValM
India408 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:17 Havik_ wrote: Day9 says one thing, Tasteless says the opposite... MY MIND IS FUCKED. Maybe thats why he won so much more than Tasteless  I support day9 hands down. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
In the top right is  ByunIn the bottom right is Keen | ||
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KroN
Germany438 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:20 Bagration wrote: Depends on the attack and its purpose. There are times when you attack as a way to pressure and give yourself time to expand safely, and there are times when you are trying to hit a timing and expanding robs critical resources from the attack and weakens it. For example, you would not want to expand while doing a 1-1-1, since you are not attacking to give yourself space to expand, you are attacking to kill. I'm not saying that Tasteless is necessarily right in this case, but the number of people claiming that you always have to expand behind attacking is a bit dogmatic to me. Must be flexible and adapt to the dynamic conditions of the game. i agree, but tasteless said the exact opposite... "never expand while you attack" and thats just bullshit, he noticed it himself and now it does not matter anymore :D | ||
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Zambrah
United States7384 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:21 Waxangel wrote: What if I told you that Starcraft II is more complex than convenient axioms? What if I told you that purple sprinkle kittens? | ||
Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
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masterchip27
United States284 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:17 Yaki wrote: To be fair they both don't know the game very well. day9 used to Uh, they don't say opposite things. It's always pressure-expand-defend. Keen, as Day9 or anybody would say is a good strategy, successfully pressured and got the expansion up faster. However after gaining his econ advantage he was down in army (although he would've been better off if he had seiged up in a safer position), and should've made the adjustment. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:22 Drazerk wrote: Game two on metropolis In the top right is ByunIn the bottom right is Keen3:40 Factories for both players along with their second gasses | ||
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Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:21 Waxangel wrote: What if I told you that Starcraft II is more complex than convenient axioms? you sir closed the topic | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:22 Uncultured wrote: Uh... Day[9] says PRESSURE while expanding. You feign attack to make it seem like you're not expoing and aren't weak. Tastless says don't commit to an attack while expanding. Both make perfect sense. You guys just fail at comprehension of strategy. How do you pressure without attacking? Even taking good spot on the maps & moving out is a form of attacking. & keen did not commit he just took the high ground next to his base, if this is not pressuring... | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2243 Posts
If you produce mostly tanks and you got no map vision you obviously do not move out while expanding.... | ||
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Sedzz
Australia391 Posts
Really want to know it too! | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:23 SharkStarcraft wrote: What if i told you that sc2 is not about rules that always count? If you produce mostly tanks and you got no map vision you obviously do not move out while expanding.... What if I told you that pvp is about luck ? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:23 Drazerk wrote: 3:40 Factories for both players along with their second gasses 5:00 Starports done for both players but Byun has got out an early hellion and scouts the reactor on Keen's barracks Both players making banshees but Byun is the only one getting cloak Keen gets into the main of Byun and scouts everything. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:19 Fragile51 wrote: That advice day9 gave was back in the time when people werent good at spending their money yet. In higher levels expanding while attacking is dumb. In lower levels where macro is not even close to decent yet it doesn't really hurt you that much. Meh, I always feel like people who say things like these don't really play the game much, and pay way too much attention to random stuff casters say to fill up air time. You expand and attack based on you and your opponent's builds and timings. In some situations, for instance, it's perfectly fine to attack a 1 base player while expanding in PvP. Unless you're using "attack" as a synonym of "all-in", that rule is simply not true in general. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:23 Drazerk wrote: 5:00 Starports done for both players but Byun has got out an early hellion and scouts the reactor on Keen's barracks Both players making banshees but Byun is the only one getting cloak Keen gets into the main of Byun and scouts everything. 7:10 Raven out for Keen but both banshees are doing huge damage Byun loses his banshee to a marine while Keen loses his to a viking | ||
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