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Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
July 04 2012 15:16 GMT
#4021
VOD is up.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
July 04 2012 15:18 GMT
#4022
yay atleast nani got through. code s ro8 twice in a row not bad
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 04 2012 15:19 GMT
#4023
Whether you like it or not, it's summed up by :

"Naniwa was better than Genius in this serie".

Or if you like to point out the fact that it wasn't due to a stellar play from Nani "Genius was worse than Naniwa in this serie".

Whatever, the result is the same. Go on.
LiquipediaWanderer
belija
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany4 Posts
July 04 2012 15:20 GMT
#4024
So much hate.

In the end it doesn't matter if you're lucky, someone is having a bad day, build order loses or anything else you want bring up.

Its about winning the game. This is especially true for pro players, if they don't win who is going to pay the next bill, meal and rent.

Imo, someone who forgets thermal lance in PvP deserves to lose no matter what.
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
July 04 2012 15:21 GMT
#4025
Double round of 8s. I'm not a fan, never was, but Naniwa is more than legit. Gratz!
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
July 04 2012 15:21 GMT
#4026
On July 05 2012 00:16 Vardant wrote:
VOD is up.


where? Free?
Amove for Aiur
masterchip27
Profile Joined April 2011
United States284 Posts
July 04 2012 15:21 GMT
#4027
On July 04 2012 23:43 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:41 masterchip27 wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:15 Talack wrote:
Feel sorry for genius, this hurts his team-search prospects.


It really doesn't all that much. He made a really trivial dumb error that isn't really attributable to his gameplay, moreso than him ditzing out in that last game. He's shown enough composure to do well in the GSL finals so while composure is a concern for him, as this is the second time he's forgotten range in a major match, I would say that by and large he keeps himself pretty cool in the booth. He also has good strategic gamesense and is very good at preparing for individual match-ups.


The way I see it, Genius is a solid mid-tier Code S player capable of being high-tier when he's at the top of his form, and when virtually everyone in Code A and even Code B have teams, Genius could have finished last place in his group and still will have no trouble finding a team.


For sure, I don't think it's about him finding "a team" so much as him holding out trying to get on a premium team with premium teammates for practice (such as IM, or even TSL), and perhaps negotiating a higher price. While obviously going to the Ro8 is a lot better I don't think people think Genius is no longer "champion material".
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
July 04 2012 15:22 GMT
#4028
Did Genius really forget Thermal Lance? I just rewatched the engagement, but I'm really bad at telling whether they have range or not. :/
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
July 04 2012 15:22 GMT
#4029
On July 04 2012 23:29 Beardedclam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:26 najreteip wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:23 Beardedclam wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:21 Night Eyes wrote:
[image loading]

Guess Genius needs to practice some more ^^

Edit: taken form Khaldor's twitter.


More like Naniwa got knocked out early and was sitting behind him watching all his PvP builds. Pretty grimy if you ask me, but that's just how Naniwa is. I am surprised he has so many fans but it makes sense because most people wouldn't be his fan if he wasn't winning.

Come on now, I can understand if you're not a fan, but this...
have some dignity please


You thinks that's respectful? Right before your code S match you go and sit directly behind the person you are facing and watch how he plays? Of course genius is going to be using the same builds as Code S because he is trying to qualify for OSL. It's disgusting.


I think this might be the stupidest thing I've ever read. It's actually hilarious.

Hahaha, yes Naniwa really is a 'grimy' little sneak. It was probably his plan all along; really it's brilliant in it's intricacies. If only Genius had known that Naniwa was sat there, if only there was some way he could have stopped him..

10/10
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
July 04 2012 15:22 GMT
#4030
On July 04 2012 23:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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On July 04 2012 23:24 Domus wrote:
I don't get all the butt hurt people in here. If your opponent makes a mistake that loses him the match, then it is NOT luck. You simply played better, because you did not make a mistake...sheesh...He did not research Thermal Lance, how can you still expect Genius to win...Genius had multiple blunders, terrible positioning, and bad decision making in the fight...Sure he did some things well, but I don't care how good you macro, mistakes like that are going to get punished at this level, and Naniwa deserved the win.


No it's not, it's pure luck. Absolutely 100% luck.

There is definitely a large part of Sc2 and all sports where if you play really well it makes your opponent look really bad and you can force errors. For example in football if you're a team who presses the ball high up if forces the opposition defence into errors because they are rushed on the ball.

This game was absolutely not one of those situations.

This game was the equivalent of a defender it back to the goalkeepers who then trips on the grass and the ball rolls into the net. There is no skill in that, there is nothing you've done to cause it.

Just like there was no skill on Naniwa's part to make Genius forget Thermal Lance. It was all on Genius. Naniwa lucked out completely in a game he otherwise looked likely to lose.


so butt hurt (LOL). He won when it mattered, by having better positioning in their engagements so his collossi did more damage than Genius' did. That last push in game 3 was beautiful positioning by Naniwa; he had so many archons up front buffering that the moment Genius tried to push in and kill Naniwa's collo, his army clumped and Naniwa mopped it up from there.

I can understand frustration at player you support losing (gogo Hero you got it next time!) but try to remember....being loud and denying everything everyone else says does not make you right.
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
July 04 2012 15:23 GMT
#4031
its so hard seeing if genius has range or not.. watching the vod right now and i cant really tell :/
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 15:24:05
July 04 2012 15:23 GMT
#4032
Watching the vod, Genius did indeed NOT have colossus range.

You can tell from when the second row of colossi starts to shoot.
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
July 04 2012 15:25 GMT
#4033
vod where? =(
Amove for Aiur
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
July 04 2012 15:26 GMT
#4034
The third game is for subscribers only anyway, but it's on the GOM site.
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
July 04 2012 15:26 GMT
#4035
Genius did not have range, he never got it and thus lost the game.

Like forgetting stim or combat shields for marines.
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 15:40:18
July 04 2012 15:28 GMT
#4036
On July 04 2012 23:23 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:19 scares wrote:
why do people say Genius "only forgot Thermal lance" thats like someone telling Robben he "only missed a penalty" in the Champions league final.

Im trying to say, it is a HUGE mistake therefore it kinda makes sense, that he lost?

We're not saying it isn't Genius's fault, in fact, he deserved to lose a game like that for making that mistake; but it wasn't anything that Naniwa had control over, Naniwa didn't initiate any godly strategy or anything to make Genius not upgrade Thermal lance. So some of us are just telling the people going "omgz!! Naniwa godly micro!! so good!!" to chill out, he was literally behind the whole game, and won because of Genius's rookie mistake.


Well, the game was very close. I guess Naniwa was a little bit behind by not by far. Sure Naniwa did win that game thx to Genius not having range, but it is far from certain that Naniwa would have lost to Genius just because of range.

Naniwa had his third more then a minute before Genius and well range is not free either so. Well the point is it was far from decided in either direction.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
July 04 2012 15:28 GMT
#4037
On July 05 2012 00:25 Snusmumriken wrote:
vod where? =(

on gomtv..? like it always is?
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 15:29:49
July 04 2012 15:29 GMT
#4038
Picture proof:

Edit:
Nvm, that didn't work, I'll just link it: http://i.imgur.com/ZD1Kf.jpg
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 04 2012 15:29 GMT
#4039
Yeah I checked the VOD, Genius forgot to get range.
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
July 04 2012 15:30 GMT
#4040
On July 05 2012 00:28 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:23 Fubi wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:19 scares wrote:
why do people say Genius "only forgot Thermal lance" thats like someone telling Robben he "only missed a penalty" in the Champions league final.

Im trying to say, it is a HUGE mistake therefore it kinda makes sense, that he lost?

We're not saying it isn't Genius's fault, in fact, he deserved to lose a game like that for making that mistake; but it wasn't anything that Naniwa had control over, Naniwa didn't initiate any godly strategy or anything to make Genius not upgrade Thermal lance. So some of us are just telling the people going "omgz!! Naniwa godly micro!! so good!!" to chill out, he was literally behind the whole game, and won because of Genius's rookie mistake.


Well, the game was very close. I guess Naniwa was a little bit behind by not by far. Sure Naniwa did win that game thx to Genius not having range, but it is far from certain that Naniwa would have lost if Genius just because of range.

Naniwa had his third more then a minute before Genius and well range is not free either so. Well the point is it was far from decided in either direction.


Dammit this is a live report thread. how dare you make a concise, clear and well reasoned argument that would put a stop to the senseless bickering from pissed off fans
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
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