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Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
July 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3881
I didn't see the game but I see a lot of people saying that if Genius had thermal lance he would have won the game, which may very well be true. But you can't forget that if he had thermal lance then he also would of had less collosus or immortals.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3882
On July 04 2012 23:16 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:14 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:12 Inflicted_ wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:10 Plexa wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:09 ibo422 wrote:
did genuis had range? I missed it

No. Naniwa would have lost that fight if genius had range stupid way to lose

but good for nani!


NaNiwa still had more Archons, I believe. Would've been a closer fight, but I don't think it would've been a guarantee win for Genius.


You must be new to the game.

9 3/2 Collosus vs 7 3/0 Collosus = rape. Micro barely matters in late game PvP collosus wars.

He forgot range, that was that.


2 Collosi vs 5+ Archons. NaNiwa was down on Collosi because he was investing his gas into something else (in this case Archons). Just because you have more Collosi, doesn't mean you win the fight.


On July 04 2012 23:16 SpiZe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:14 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:12 Inflicted_ wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:10 Plexa wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:09 ibo422 wrote:
did genuis had range? I missed it

No. Naniwa would have lost that fight if genius had range stupid way to lose

but good for nani!


NaNiwa still had more Archons, I believe. Would've been a closer fight, but I don't think it would've been a guarantee win for Genius.


You must be new to the game.

9 3/2 Collosus vs 7 3/0 Collosus = rape. Micro barely matters in late game PvP collosus wars.

He forgot range, that was that.


Then you are ignorant, micro is everything in lategame PvP, it's all about the guy that can force the better engagement. I agree that it didn't matter when you don't have range, but you can easily win a fight in PvP even if you are behind on ups if you have good micro. Doing simple stuff like pulling an immortal foward change the entire fight.


Two guys who definitely don't play Protoss at a decent level.

You get all your shit in front and your Colossus in back, you don't forget range and if you have better ups and/or more Colossus you win. Simple.

Microing only means your Colossus spend less time attacking, unless you Colossus are unprotected it's almost always counter productive to micro them, such is the quality of the unit design.

SilentSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United States505 Posts
July 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3883
On July 04 2012 23:20 Dodgin wrote:
Being a Naniwa anti-fan must be a tough life.


It is...
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
July 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3884
Starcraft has worked this way since 1998, there are some mistakes that are unforgiveable, if he forgot Colossus Range, that is one of them.
Though from my perspective, Naniwa also had by far the better concave in this fight, so he would have taken a good fight there, regardless of range or no-range.

That being said, the Colossus absolutely ruins PvP lategame in every way.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3885
On July 04 2012 23:19 manloveman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:16 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:11 Nabes wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:10 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:09 Surriel wrote:
Genius hating life for picking Naniwa again now.


Well he outplayed Naniwa really but forgot collosus range. He'd had won 4-2 if he hadn't forgotten range.


excuses blah blah


It's really not.


Its an excuse like you allways do when a Korean loses. He had a bad day. He was jetlagged bla bla bla. Shut up and say welldone to Naniwa you pathetic humen being


When you can get through one paragraph with less than five spelling/grammar mistakes I will consider responding to you.


and back to being a grammar nazi, when actual discussion becomes to hard


Yeah, because calling someone a pathetic human being is any better >_>
Roxor9999
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands771 Posts
July 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3886
On July 04 2012 23:18 WigglingSquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:16 SpiZe wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:14 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:12 Inflicted_ wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:10 Plexa wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:09 ibo422 wrote:
did genuis had range? I missed it

No. Naniwa would have lost that fight if genius had range stupid way to lose

but good for nani!


NaNiwa still had more Archons, I believe. Would've been a closer fight, but I don't think it would've been a guarantee win for Genius.


You must be new to the game.

9 3/2 Collosus vs 7 3/0 Collosus = rape. Micro barely matters in late game PvP collosus wars.

He forgot range, that was that.


Then you are ignorant, micro is everything in lategame PvP, it's all about the guy that can force the better engagement. I agree that it didn't matter when you don't have range, but you can easily win a fight in PvP even if you are behind on ups if you have good micro. Doing simple stuff like pulling an immortal foward change the entire fight.

Where "micro" mostly stands for "I hope he leaves his colossi in a choke for a just a second while I am looking and he's not."

More like i'm going to constantly scout and poke so I force him into a bad position at least once.
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
July 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3887
On July 04 2012 23:16 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:14 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:12 Inflicted_ wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:10 Plexa wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:09 ibo422 wrote:
did genuis had range? I missed it

No. Naniwa would have lost that fight if genius had range stupid way to lose

but good for nani!


NaNiwa still had more Archons, I believe. Would've been a closer fight, but I don't think it would've been a guarantee win for Genius.


You must be new to the game.

9 3/2 Collosus vs 7 3/0 Collosus = rape. Micro barely matters in late game PvP collosus wars.

He forgot range, that was that.


2 Collosi vs 5+ Archons. NaNiwa was down on Collosi because he was investing his gas into something else (in this case Archons). Just because you have more Collosi, doesn't mean you win the fight.

While the lack of thermal lance probably decided that game, you have a point with the archons, they absorb a TON of colossus fire, combine that with extra immortals and a few shots of naniwa's colossi on genius' and I think that fight could still have been won by Naniwa even if Genius had range
I have no quote!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3888
On July 04 2012 23:21 Night Eyes wrote:
[image loading]

Guess Genius needs to practice some more ^^


hahaha totally forgot about this at the start of the thread xD

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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3889
On July 04 2012 23:20 Dodgin wrote:
Being a Naniwa anti-fan must be a tough life.


if in combination with being and Idrafan... anti depressants become mandatory.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3890
On July 04 2012 23:21 SilentSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:20 Dodgin wrote:
Being a Naniwa anti-fan must be a tough life.


It is...


Try being a MKP anti-fan. Even harder
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3891
On July 04 2012 23:21 Chewbacca. wrote:
I didn't see the game but I see a lot of people saying that if Genius had thermal lance he would have won the game, which may very well be true. But you can't forget that if he had thermal lance then he also would of had less collosus or immortals.


He was maxed for about 4 minutes on five bases. He would have had the exact same shit.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3892
On July 04 2012 23:13 MCDayC wrote:
Also, could anyone else see MC taking it this season? It could happen, and that would be really amazing.


Yes.
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3893
This is starcraft.You cant afford to make such a critical mistake on a high level game.You cant say naniwa won because of luck because all games were close.In the end naniwa made less mistakes and won the series.Congratulations to him!
日本語が上手ですね
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3894
On July 04 2012 23:21 Night Eyes wrote:
[image loading]

Guess Genius needs to practice some more ^^

Great pic! Get ready for some meme's :D:D
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3895
On July 04 2012 23:21 Night Eyes wrote:
[image loading]

Guess Genius needs to practice some more ^^

Edit: taken form Khaldor's twitter.


... all those Siberias...
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 14:23:41
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3896
On July 04 2012 23:19 manloveman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:16 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:11 Nabes wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:10 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:09 Surriel wrote:
Genius hating life for picking Naniwa again now.


Well he outplayed Naniwa really but forgot collosus range. He'd had won 4-2 if he hadn't forgotten range.


excuses blah blah


It's really not.


Its an excuse like you allways do when a Korean loses. He had a bad day. He was jetlagged bla bla bla. Shut up and say welldone to Naniwa you pathetic humen being


When you can get through one paragraph with less than five spelling/grammar mistakes I will consider responding to you.


and back to being a grammar nazi, when actual discussion becomes to hard


He is allways like that just laugh at him

On July 04 2012 23:21 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 23:19 manloveman wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:16 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:11 Nabes wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:10 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 04 2012 23:09 Surriel wrote:
Genius hating life for picking Naniwa again now.


Well he outplayed Naniwa really but forgot collosus range. He'd had won 4-2 if he hadn't forgotten range.


excuses blah blah


It's really not.


Its an excuse like you allways do when a Korean loses. He had a bad day. He was jetlagged bla bla bla. Shut up and say welldone to Naniwa you pathetic humen being


When you can get through one paragraph with less than five spelling/grammar mistakes I will consider responding to you.


and back to being a grammar nazi, when actual discussion becomes to hard


Yeah, because calling someone a pathetic human being is any better >_>


Read his post everytime a Korean loses to a foriegner and you will understand
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 14:22:54
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3897
To be honest 4gate vs 4gate games were more exciting than these PewPewLazerBeams

Edit: congrats to Nani btw hopefully he gets far
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3898
If Genius has Thermal Lance, Naniwa loses that fight badly. He's down by two Colossi and 3 upgrades...



but Nani had range, so everything died and the game was over in 5 seconds.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
July 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#3899
you guys sure he didnt have thermal lance? need to check the vod later
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 04 2012 14:23 GMT
#3900
Consecutive Ro8s! Grats Naniwa!
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