The Evil Geniuses Master’s Cup Series League Finals Weekend will feature 4 teams in a round robin format with each team matchup containing at least four best of three games between two teams.
Come on Slayers!!! i hope they can make a come back, they haven't been looking to great besides Puzzle. I really hope MMA and Ryung step it up. Also Miya is doing tons for the team
Figured I'd come in here to say that I'm really enjoying the commentary for this. Azael and Incontrol make a great casting team and I'm impressed at how great a commentator Azael has become in such a short amount of time.
On July 02 2012 04:43 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote: what did byul do ?
Byul did a normal 15 pool, got his hatch blocked with a pylon and gateway, then just attacked with all his drones and 4 lings and then gged when he hit the wall lol
On July 02 2012 04:43 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote: what did byul do ?
Pylon + Gateway blocked his Hatchery (he went 15 pool). He then makes 4 lings and A-moved with his drones against a full wallin by Protoss.
uhhhhhhh
cant find anything else to say wow hes gonna get in trouble with fnatic if he does that stuff again imo
Not really his options were very limited because Killer had also placed a pylon where the 3rd base would go (in most cases the 2nd base in ZvP) it was just a panic move more then anything.
On July 02 2012 05:06 Toadvine wrote: I can't help but notice the map pool is a bit 2011. I mean, come on, Dual Sight and Crossfire? It's like asking for all-ins every game.
On July 02 2012 05:07 bbm wrote: Scrappy play here but nicely done by qxc
Can you quickly recap the game? I've just switched fromt eh UEFA finals as it's a lost cause TT
proxy 2 rax kills the natural hatch, qxc then does a bunker contain on moon, moon does a baneling bust on qxc and kills many scvs but is still behind, moon goes infestors and tries to come back, but qxc denies the 3rd for too long, drops and kills the spawning pool, moon keeps trying but it's not enough
On July 02 2012 05:07 bbm wrote: Scrappy play here but nicely done by qxc
Can you quickly recap the game? I've just switched fromt eh UEFA finals as it's a lost cause TT
proxy 2 rax kills the natural hatch, qxc then does a bunker contain on moon, moon does a baneling bust on qxc and kills many scvs but is still behind, moon goes infestors and tries to come back, but qxc denies the 3rd for too long, drops and kills the spawning pool, moon keeps trying but it's not enough
Thanks! Shame the second game didn't quite go his way lol. Even with medivacs out that's way too many roaches.
Why would you kill MULEs which you didn't see landing (so they are potentially half dead anyway) over SCVs?
A single SCV gets you like 100 minerals per minute if I remember correctly? So at the 5-6 minute mark if the opponent isn't on max saturation I don't see the point of killing MULEs over SCVs, after like a minute or two killing an SCV already pays off and it snowballs much more later into the game in terms of minerals lost for the opponent.
Plus there is the risk of not killing anything because the MULEs would explode a second later anyway? Could be neglected if you watch the Orbital Energy and see it below 5 or something, but I doubt Moon did that.
On July 02 2012 05:35 Bommes wrote: Why would you kill MULEs which you didn't see landing (so they are potentially half dead anyway) over SCVs?
A single SCV gets you like 100 minerals per minute if I remember correctly? So at the 5-6 minute mark if the opponent isn't on max saturation I don't see the point of killing MULEs over SCVs, after like a minute or two killing an SCV already pays off and it snowballs much more later into the game in terms of minerals lost for the opponent.
Plus there is the risk of not killing anything because the MULEs would explode a second later anyway? Could be neglected if you watch the Orbital Energy and see it below 5 or something, but I doubt Moon did that.
I'm no zerg player, but I think it's cause zergs used to kill a bunch of scvs, fist pump, and then wonder why they lose later, but then they tried killing mules instead of scvs and problem solved lol
On July 02 2012 06:04 Zalitara wrote: Didn't Alive just beat Ganzi in MLG Arena qualifier like yesterday? I know these games are old, but maybe Alive just has Ganzis number?
Yeah 2-0, I think these are actually played somewhat recently, and I know the next few series are as well. (NaDa not playing)
On July 02 2012 04:33 selboN wrote: Figured I'd come in here to say that I'm really enjoying the commentary for this. Azael and Incontrol make a great casting team and I'm impressed at how great a commentator Azael has become in such a short amount of time.
I second that... I really enjoy them as a casting combo.
On July 02 2012 06:21 redviper wrote: Ganzi beat MMA last night so its not like he is playing badly. He got unlucky with the cloaked banshees and had a bad tilt moment after that.
a very bad tilt. even worse than that. it was terrible play by ganzi - noone can deny that
On July 02 2012 06:21 redviper wrote: Ganzi beat MMA last night so its not like he is playing badly. He got unlucky with the cloaked banshees and had a bad tilt moment after that.
a very bad tilt. even worse than that. it was terrible play by ganzi - noone can deny that
On July 02 2012 07:03 Die4Ever wrote: I think Marines need to officially be renamed to Space Marines lol, someone tell Blizzard
Geoff is a 40k player, and let's face it, Starcraft pretty much DID rip 40k off straight up.
Yeah haha, the design is ridiculously similar.
edit: I think Rain maybe has a 1up on aLive's TvZ atm, but considering the squad from coL is all Terran, aLive has top 5 TvT right now in the world. Why put it up to chance?
On July 02 2012 07:04 Badfatpanda wrote: Wait is this a troll or is Rain really the ace? Fnatic WHYYYYYYYYYYYY? T_T Why not aLive ><
trust in hwanni man. hes playing really well right now apparently, or so they said during gstl so
He is as he got a spot from the Korean Invite-only qualifier for MLG (which shouldn't be far after these matches were played) but there are way better options then Rain.
On July 02 2012 07:04 Badfatpanda wrote: Wait is this a troll or is Rain really the ace? Fnatic WHYYYYYYYYYYYY? T_T Why not aLive ><
trust in hwanni man. hes playing really well right now apparently, or so they said during gstl so
He is as he got a spot from the Korean Invite-only qualifier (which shouldn't be far after these matches were played) but there are way better options then Rain.
idk, if aLive is losing alot to heart/killer on ladder then he might feel like he just cant bring his best in an ace match vs this player. both used to be on tsl with him btw, which i dont know if it has any relevance to the decision. mb he was just not feeling good, wasnt available, or mb rain was objectively the best choice when all informations are available. oz is not playing well at all atm, and rain is even in skill with moon, byul just suffered from brain implosion. i think its an understandable choice, and i think he has a good shot at winning. rain did beat alive at mlg after all, his tvt is really good
On July 02 2012 07:42 Badfatpanda wrote: Heart <3. Shit, coach has to be licking his wounds after neglecting to send out aLive against a relatively certain Terran ace.
Alive also has good TvP, so Killer coming out wouldn't have been a problem.
On July 02 2012 07:50 redviper wrote: Shit and Moon is now vs Miya. His worst matchup by far
Yeah, it'll be a miracle if Fnatic gets to the 4th match. Alicia, Miya and Puzzle all have favorable matches. If someone can pull a win though, I'm certain aLive can take out Crank and force the ace.
On July 02 2012 07:50 redviper wrote: Shit and Moon is now vs Miya. His worst matchup by far
Yeah, it'll be a miracle if Fnatic gets to the 4th match. Alicia, Miya and Puzzle all have favorable matches. If someone can pull a win though, I'm certain aLive can take out Crank and force the ace.
On July 02 2012 07:50 redviper wrote: Shit and Moon is now vs Miya. His worst matchup by far
Yeah, it'll be a miracle if Fnatic gets to the 4th match. Alicia, Miya and Puzzle all have favorable matches. If someone can pull a win though, I'm certain aLive can take out Crank and force the ace.
Crank is a monster, I wouldn't be so sure
Yeah but his PvT is his worst MU, judging by his Korean and International TLPD stats. Still hope to see him beat Alive though.
On July 02 2012 07:50 redviper wrote: Shit and Moon is now vs Miya. His worst matchup by far
Yeah, it'll be a miracle if Fnatic gets to the 4th match. Alicia, Miya and Puzzle all have favorable matches. If someone can pull a win though, I'm certain aLive can take out Crank and force the ace.
Crank is a monster, I wouldn't be so sure
Yeah but his PvT is his worst MU, judging by his Korean and International TLPD stats. Still hope to see him beat Alive though.
Yeah, he's very underrated in his other matchups, so it's kinda unfortunate he didn't draw Moon or ByuL, With their respective matchup strengths I feel that aLive should be favored, but anything can happen and Crank can definitely pull the upset...if SlayerS doesn't get 3-0'd
When he turns it on, Rain's TvP really isn't half bad lol. Really has his on and off days moreso than a lot of players though. Good to see he's making up for last series.
On July 02 2012 08:16 Kieofire wrote: Rain redeeming himself after losing that ace match.
Especially by beating Alicia who has been on fire recently.
Yeah and his PvT is not to be fucked with, very very strong recently taking out a lot of big names. I was sure this would be a 2-0 in Alicia's favor, after the past couple upsets I'm not even shocked anymore lol.
Alicia wtf was that, losing 6 colossi for a base? Poor decision to retreat T_T, despite that he's ahead of Rain in economy now, Rain has to press this he can't let Alicia bank.
Rain derps the bigger derp it seems. Losing that 5th base so often, cleaning out the production and forcing scans all over the place Alicia didn't allow Rain to drop as many scans, his mineral count was always pretty low. It's a shame, Rain had that. A couple poor engages and a frustrated a move lost it for him.
Not sure why Alicia kept storming the exit from the funnel he created instead of the glob of units that were trying to surge through it. Other than that he played very well.
On July 02 2012 08:54 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Not sure why Alicia kept storming the exit from the funnel he created instead of the glob of units that were trying to surge through it. Other than that he played very well.
On July 02 2012 08:56 Kieofire wrote: Looking grim for Fnatic now, hope they can pull off a comeback.
They've still got decent chance. Moon and Byul have both played pretty well in GSTL this season (although I think Puzzle will still beat Byul) and if Moon takes out Miya, Alive should be favored against Crank.
On July 02 2012 08:56 Kieofire wrote: Looking grim for Fnatic now, hope they can pull off a comeback.
They've still got decent chance. Moon and Byul have both played pretty well in GSTL this season (although I think Puzzle will still beat Byul) and if Moon takes out Miya, Alive should be favored against Crank.
Miya's ZvZ is really good, unless Moon can channel his GSTL ZvZ wins he's toast. Assuming ByuL plays as poorly as he did last match, Puzzle will end it quickly, (or ByuL will in favor of Puzzle ><) if one of them can pull an upset the ace match is up for grabs imo.
On July 02 2012 08:56 Kieofire wrote: Looking grim for Fnatic now, hope they can pull off a comeback.
They've still got decent ChAnCe. Moon and ByuL have both played pretty well in GSTL this season (although I think Puzzle will still beat ByuL) and if Moon takes out Miya, aLive should be favored against Crank.
Miya'S ZvZ is Really good, unless Moon can channel his GSTL ZvZ wins he'S toast. Assuming ByuL plays as poorly as he did last match, Puzzle will End it quickly, (or ByuL will in favor of Puzzle ><) if ONE of them can pull an upset the AcE match is up for grabs imo.
Slayers is nothing at all ...No doubt that Fnatic won the match ...
I just wanna say that InControL is doing a great job casting tonight despite there being a noticeable lack of XvP matchups today. He plays off Azael quite well, and has been doing so all season, Azael has really come a long way, very impressed by his casting after having to step in as a result of unforeseen circumstances.
On July 02 2012 09:33 Badfatpanda wrote: I just wanna say that InControL is doing a great job casting tonight despite there being a noticeable lack of XvP matchups today. He plays off Azael quite well, and has been doing so all season, Azael has really come a long way, very impressed by his casting after having to step in as a result of unforeseen circumstances.
??? A majority of the first two matches are XvP. 5/8, in fact.
On July 02 2012 09:33 Badfatpanda wrote: I just wanna say that InControL is doing a great job casting tonight despite there being a noticeable lack of XvP matchups today. He plays off Azael quite well, and has been doing so all season, Azael has really come a long way, very impressed by his casting after having to step in as a result of unforeseen circumstances.
??? A majority of the first two matches are XvP. 5/8, in fact.
General feedback: I think mirror matches, especially ZvZ's, should always be cast with Stronger Team Colors mod. It's difficult to see exactly what's going on during battles otherwise.
I only caught the 3rd game, and I liked seeing Miya's heavy usage of hydras. I see way too many ZvZ's revolving strictly around roach-infestor without getting any hydras. They certainly can still play a strong role in high-level ZvZ as we witnessed here.
Looks like we're gonna be seeing a Slayers vs coL rematch.
What's the winner's bracket advantage for this league? I know it's not standard double elimination. Is it all starting map choices and you get to see the opposing team's picks beforehand?
On July 02 2012 10:00 Mordiford wrote: Looks like we're gonna be seeing a Slayers vs coL rematch.
What's the winner's bracket advantage for this league? I know it's not standard double elimination. Is it all starting map choices and you get to see the opposing team's picks beforehand?
That game shouldn't have even been that close to be honest. Alive had an SCV in cranks base when crank was chrono boosting the cybernetics core. Why on earth would crank be chrono boosting a cybernetics core for (warp gate) before expanding unless he was going for a 4 gate?...Alive still chose to rush...lol
On July 02 2012 10:43 Badfatpanda wrote: BITBYBIIIIIIIIIIT
MC style, in a bad spot since the rax complete a walloff in the main, good foresight by aLive.
edit: I see your bitbybit, and I counter with a bitbybit of my own.
Problem?
What?
Did you not watch that match? wouldn't make sense then lol. Crank went for an MC probe pull against aLive's CC first, since aLive walled and started a bunker Crank was in a very bad position and aLive saw the Nexus of his opponent and decided to counter with a 2 base marine scv allin lol.
On July 02 2012 10:43 Badfatpanda wrote: BITBYBIIIIIIIIIIT
MC style, in a bad spot since the rax complete a walloff in the main, good foresight by aLive.
edit: I see your bitbybit, and I counter with a bitbybit of my own.
Problem?
What?
Did you not watch that match? wouldn't make sense then lol. Crank went for an MC probe pull against aLive's CC first, since aLive walled and started a bunker Crank was in a very bad position and aLive saw the Nexus of his opponent and decided to counter with a 2 base marine scv allin lol.
I watched the match but didn't understand your "what?" part. I see what you are saying now though and yes, lol. Alive was already economically ahead and a timing attack at that point would have killed crank which is what Alive did and secured his victory.
On July 02 2012 10:43 Badfatpanda wrote: BITBYBIIIIIIIIIIT
MC style, in a bad spot since the rax complete a walloff in the main, good foresight by aLive.
edit: I see your bitbybit, and I counter with a bitbybit of my own.
Problem?
What?
Did you not watch that match? wouldn't make sense then lol. Crank went for an MC probe pull against aLive's CC first, since aLive walled and started a bunker Crank was in a very bad position and aLive saw the Nexus of his opponent and decided to counter with a 2 base marine scv allin lol.
I watched the match but didn't understand your "what?" part. I see what you are saying now though and yes, lol. Alive was already economically ahead and a timing attack at that point would have killed crank which is what Alive did and secured his victory.
Haha
Wow, getting a full scout off yet losing your hatch to 2 rax pressure. T_T I wonder if it's nerves. Although inexperienced Miya has a shot at this series if he plays his best...this is definitely subpar though
On July 02 2012 11:03 Gorlin wrote: God, I really don't feel that Miya handled the bunker and the follow up well.
Same. I don't get it. 2 Rax gets scouted, zerg builds lings but doesn't even use it. I think this happened during yesterday's broadcasted games too, with Coca. I just don't get it...and Miya throws away his lings too...
Crossfire wins the games all by itself. It's reflections like this that make you look back on the cries of terran imba. Even with today's current TvZ trends, alive is wiping the floor with miya easily.
On July 02 2012 11:34 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Crossfire wins the games all by itself. It's reflections like this that make you look back on the cries of terran imba. Even with today's current TvZ trends, alive is wiping the floor with miya easily.
This is a zerg map >.> TvZ is great if you manage to do an early siege push to take advantage of the choke near the natural but it's so easy to counterattack the Terran/Protoss if you're a zerg.
On July 02 2012 11:34 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Crossfire wins the games all by itself. It's reflections like this that make you look back on the cries of terran imba. Even with today's current TvZ trends, alive is wiping the floor with miya easily.
well, Miya played like absolute shit that game. just throwing units away over and over
On July 02 2012 11:34 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Crossfire wins the games all by itself. It's reflections like this that make you look back on the cries of terran imba. Even with today's current TvZ trends, alive is wiping the floor with miya easily.
well, Miya played like absolute shit that game. just throwing units away over and over
as do a lot of Terrans and then they cry imbalance
On July 02 2012 11:34 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Crossfire wins the games all by itself. It's reflections like this that make you look back on the cries of terran imba. Even with today's current TvZ trends, alive is wiping the floor with miya easily.
This is a zerg map >.> TvZ is great if you manage to do an early siege push to take advantage of the choke near the natural but it's so easy to counterattack the Terran/Protoss if you're a zerg.
edit: aLive!!!!!
1.1 is really imbalanced in favor of zerg in ZvT, especially taking into consideration half of the zerg wins were indeed baneling busts.
Even though Miya is supposed to be a top player in practice I would have rather seen Ryung in the ace match as he has been doing quite well as of late.
On July 02 2012 11:39 MasterKang wrote: Miya still needs more experience... that was terrible decision making in the last game. zergs rly need to learn that lings dont do shit to marauders
Zergs are actually good against Marauders but no in a choke like Miya kept doing. He kept engaging Alive's army down arms and into chokes, throwing away so many units. Why doesnt he fall back to his creep, spine, and units and upgrades? He was getting infestors anyways.. dont really understand his decision making besides choking it up.
On July 02 2012 11:43 SeeKeR wrote: SlayerS was the favorite to win this....
Then this crap happens....
T-T...
We choked man, we choked hard. Puzzle, who had been flawless in the group stages, suddenly was dropping sets we couldn't lose. And when it came down to the line in the final games of the ace matches, we couldn't finish. This is a pretty unfortunate showing by the team this weekend, but hopefully they can do better in the GSTL and IPL TAC.
Edit: On second look though, $2000 prizemoney still isn't bad at all.
On July 02 2012 11:43 SeeKeR wrote: SlayerS was the favorite to win this....
Then this crap happens....
T-T...
We choked man, we choked hard. Puzzle, who had been flawless in the group stages, suddenly was dropping sets we couldn't lose. And when it came down to the line in the final games of the ace matches, we couldn't finish. This is a pretty unfortunate showing by the team this weekend, but hopefully they can do better in the GSTL and IPL TAC.
Bah..... oh wellz....
I'm guessing this is what Pudgle meant in his Code A winners interview about him sucking in foreign tourneys
On July 02 2012 11:56 SeeKeR wrote: Killer <GSL Metropolis> Oz
Heart <GSL Cloud Kingdom> Moon
GanZi <GSL Bel'Shir Beach Winter> ByuL
Goswser <GSL Antiga Shipyard> aLive
Bad draw for Oz there.
It's funny how a few months really changes things. Just a few months ago, that matchup should have been almost a given for Oz, with his great PvP and Killer's lackluster PvP. Now I'm not so sure anymore
This advantage system in the finals is even more dumb than the MLG system. Finals are supposed to be finals, they're supposed to be fair. Who cares about one team having lost a series and the other team not having lost a previous series? These advantages make finals much less meaningful as a display of skill.
On July 02 2012 12:30 TigerKarl wrote: This advantage system in the finals is even more dumb than the MLG system. Finals are supposed to be finals, they're supposed to be fair. Who cares about one team having lost a series and the other team not having lost a previous series? These advantages make finals much less meaningful as a display of skill.
It's not fair to Complexity if they had no advantage either though. If Fnatic wins, they end up 1-1 in matchs in the playoffs, yet Fnatic is the champion and coL is 2nd.
coL hasn't lost a series in the playoffs yet, while Fnatic has.
On July 02 2012 12:30 TigerKarl wrote: This advantage system in the finals is even more dumb than the MLG system. Finals are supposed to be finals, they're supposed to be fair. Who cares about one team having lost a series and the other team not having lost a previous series? These advantages make finals much less meaningful as a display of skill.
yea I agree, it should be an epic rematch, not a "well these guys should probably just win again"
On July 02 2012 12:30 TigerKarl wrote: This advantage system in the finals is even more dumb than the MLG system. Finals are supposed to be finals, they're supposed to be fair. Who cares about one team having lost a series and the other team not having lost a previous series? These advantages make finals much less meaningful as a display of skill.
If this system wasn't in place Complexity would have already won the tournament. It blows my mind that people don't understand double elimination or are actually idiotic enough to think it's unfair. Everyone gets two opportunities to lose in the tournament, everyone gets the same opportunity, that's entirely fair.
The Master's Cup tries to make it a more equal final by removing the advantage that the winner's bracket finalist earned by not losing and you're STILL complaining. The fair alternative to this is simple single elimination, if you want single elimination that's fine, but Complexity having an advantage here is not unfair.
what else do we do? Make them lose 2 cw's? Do you know what the does to a team/production? That is 4 more hours for us to cast and at least that much for those 2 teams to play another match.. with koreans it is almost impossible to find that much time in a day.
This is a HUGE advantage but so is double elim where 1 team has to lose 2x
That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see who the other team is sending out so you can snipe them
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see the players their opponents picks first and they choose the starting maps.
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see the players their opponents picks first and they choose the starting maps.
Hm, not sure about the starting map thing. At least, if we did get to choose the starting map we had to choose it before the other team picked the lineup I think? I definitely didn't choose Antiga Shipyard as the starting map against Alive anyways.
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see the players their opponents picks first and they choose the starting maps.
Hm, not sure about the starting map thing. At least, if we did get to choose the starting map we had to choose it before the other team picked the lineup I think? I definitely didn't choose Antiga Shipyard as the starting map against Alive anyways.
You sort of spoiled that the game goes to a fourth set. Thanks for the information though.
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see the players their opponents picks first and they choose the starting maps.
Hm, not sure about the starting map thing. At least, if we did get to choose the starting map we had to choose it before the other team picked the lineup I think? I definitely didn't choose Antiga Shipyard as the starting map against Alive anyways.
You sort of spoiled that the game goes to a fourth set. Thanks for the information though.
Starting maps and lineups were set before any of the matches were played.
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see the players their opponents picks first and they choose the starting maps.
Hm, not sure about the starting map thing. At least, if we did get to choose the starting map we had to choose it before the other team picked the lineup I think? I definitely didn't choose Antiga Shipyard as the starting map against Alive anyways.
You sort of spoiled that the game goes to a fourth set. Thanks for the information though.
Have you not followed EG MCSL at all? All 4 series are always played no matter what.
Of course this is the finals so maybe that could be different, but I doubt this will start off with a 3-0 anyway. But since these are replays and the games were probably played in no specific order I don't see why they wouldn't just go ahead and show all the games even if it were a 3-0.
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see the players their opponents picks first and they choose the starting maps.
Hm, not sure about the starting map thing. At least, if we did get to choose the starting map we had to choose it before the other team picked the lineup I think? I definitely didn't choose Antiga Shipyard as the starting map against Alive anyways.
You sort of spoiled that the game goes to a fourth set. Thanks for the information though.
Have you not followed EG MCSL at all? All 4 series are always played no matter what.
while true, that was for points. there is no need for all 4 to be played right now.
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see the players their opponents picks first and they choose the starting maps.
Hm, not sure about the starting map thing. At least, if we did get to choose the starting map we had to choose it before the other team picked the lineup I think? I definitely didn't choose Antiga Shipyard as the starting map against Alive anyways.
You sort of spoiled that the game goes to a fourth set. Thanks for the information though.
Have you not followed EG MCSL at all? All 4 series are always played no matter what.
Of course this is the finals so maybe that could be different, but I doubt this will start off with a 3-0 anyway. But since these are replays and the games were probably played in no specific order I don't see why they wouldn't just go ahead and show all the games even if it were a 3-0.
That's for the group state to determine points, no need for that here.
On July 02 2012 12:40 MetalPanda wrote: That's just how double elimination tournaments work, you have 2 lives, it's just normal that the non-losing team gets an advantage. The better finals are the single elimination tournaments one, but then it make it so fan favorites sometimes don't go far in the tournament.
Edit: Uh. Don't know what's the advantage in this tournament though.
They get to see the players their opponents picks first and they choose the starting maps.
Hm, not sure about the starting map thing. At least, if we did get to choose the starting map we had to choose it before the other team picked the lineup I think? I definitely didn't choose Antiga Shipyard as the starting map against Alive anyways.
You sort of spoiled that the game goes to a fourth set. Thanks for the information though.
Starting maps and lineups were set before any of the matches were played.
On July 02 2012 12:58 valeron90 wrote: casted from replays?
yea but casted live from the replays. Safest way with money on the line to prevent any kind of cheating and plus since its all online and cross servers if you add in observers to cast it live you could risk heavy lag spikes during the game.
he really, really should have made the lings either way...would have been better result and even with his limited info..he should know that doing a 9pool then droning vs a build that wasn't cutting scvs is suicide.
On July 02 2012 15:18 ThePowerHour wrote: Maybe I missed something, but shouldn't there be another series if Fnatic wins this one, since Complexity didn't lose yet?
They're not doing full double elimination, they let Complexity see Fnatic's player picks beforehand instead.
On July 02 2012 15:18 ThePowerHour wrote: Maybe I missed something, but shouldn't there be another series if Fnatic wins this one, since Complexity didn't lose yet?
They're not doing full double elimination, they let Complexity see Fnatic's player picks beforehand instead.
I'm confused then - I vaguely remember Killer's PvP being not that good while Oz's used to be really good? I mean now it's easy to see that Killer won but that confuses me.
On July 02 2012 15:18 ThePowerHour wrote: Maybe I missed something, but shouldn't there be another series if Fnatic wins this one, since Complexity didn't lose yet?
They're not doing full double elimination, they let Complexity see Fnatic's player picks beforehand instead.
I'm confused then - I vaguely remember Killer's PvP being not that good while Oz's used to be really good? I mean now it's easy to see that Killer won but that confuses me.
Well Killer's getting pretty good and Oz is getting beaten up by pretty much every protoss nowadays (literally, he doesn't win at all, enough to get beaten 2-0 by Grubby in MLG)
Wow gratz to Col, they were really coming in as the underdogs with shaky play before the finals, great to see they managed to pull it together. Also good to see they are still doing well without their teammate god to bless them when the play games
Didn't expect slayers to get lose this. But didn't expect Complexity to win this either, either way can't wait for the next one, I love team league stuff!
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