• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:57
CET 11:57
KST 19:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies1ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Brando London Jacket | Discussion on Style, Fit & Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1037 users

[NASL] Week 9 Division 2 - Page 8

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 Next All
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
June 15 2012 11:22 GMT
#141
On June 15 2012 13:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 13:09 ssg wrote:
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote:
does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places

14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.


13-6 is 13/19, or 68.4%. Winning 13 out of 19 games played.

14-7 is 14/21, or 66.7%. Winning 14 out of 21 games played.

Therefore, 13-6 is a higher winning percentage than 14-7.

I'm not sure if NASL takes into account other factors or variables, but I think the comparison of those numbers alone should at least be made clear.


Any official statement here? How were ties broken last season? Where is the official rulebook for the NASL?
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
June 15 2012 11:58 GMT
#142
On June 15 2012 18:39 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 17:39 Neelia wrote:
On June 15 2012 17:28 Talin wrote:
This would not have happened if NASL didn't insist on having this format of qualifiers, like I've said a million times before.

Please consider having groups of 4 or something that you only need the players for for one night or one weekend, after which they'll be done with their group and don't need to show up again until the final tournament (if they qualified).

These problems are never ever going to go away with this format in place.


Which would basically defeat the purpose of a league where you can see the players progressing over time..? I think the advantage NASL has over other tournaments is that you can tune in every week and see a match of a player you follow. With a GSL like format (what you're suggesting I think) you may see 1 day of matches of that player per season (+maybe offline finals) or outdated replays which is just boring to watch.


It is not an advantage over other tournaments when every few matchdays there's a lot of red text on the page explaining what exactly went wrong this time and how many games weren't played. You can tune in every week to a watch of a player you follow, or you can tune in only to realize he didn't show up and/or the match was postponed.

It would have been an advantage over other tournaments if it actually worked like it was imagined, but it doesn't work, and it doesn't work because it's extremely impractical and impossible to schedule. So it turns out to be a disadvantage instead.


Feel free to go back over the season and actually work out how many games were forfeited over the season. I'll help you out a bit. For the MLG Spring Arena... 1 match was forfeited by Ryung.

At this point and time we are missing 3 matches, with 1 specifically scheduled for over the next day or so. You are just ridiculously overplaying something that has not been a significant factor in the league this season.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 15 2012 16:01 GMT
#143
On June 15 2012 20:22 SinCitta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 13:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 15 2012 13:09 ssg wrote:
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote:
does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places

14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.


13-6 is 13/19, or 68.4%. Winning 13 out of 19 games played.

14-7 is 14/21, or 66.7%. Winning 14 out of 21 games played.

Therefore, 13-6 is a higher winning percentage than 14-7.

I'm not sure if NASL takes into account other factors or variables, but I think the comparison of those numbers alone should at least be made clear.


Any official statement here? How were ties broken last season? Where is the official rulebook for the NASL?


Last season they had tiebreaker games after the season was over to decide placing.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
PradamadeR
Profile Joined February 2012
123 Posts
June 15 2012 17:06 GMT
#144
well as a demuslim fan ive to root for HerO ? or is there a tiebreaker anyway`?
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
June 15 2012 17:16 GMT
#145
gogo hasu kick demu out !!! (or at least into the tiebrakers)

I never really liked demuslim and I always thought he was way overhyped but that he was so unprofessional too is new to me.

imo he shouldn't complain and instead try to actually win vs dimaga instead...
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
June 15 2012 17:19 GMT
#146
On June 16 2012 02:16 sVnteen wrote:
gogo hasu kick demu out !!! (or at least into the tiebrakers)

I never really liked demuslim and I always thought he was way overhyped but that he was so unprofessional too is new to me.

imo he shouldn't complain and instead try to actually win vs dimaga instead...



So much hate. But guess what, you're wrong. It's impossible for Hasu to kick Demuslim out. Even if he 2-0s HerO, he will still be ranked lower than Demuslim with +6 instead of +7. So... Yeah, nope.
cmgillett
Profile Joined March 2010
United States335 Posts
June 15 2012 17:53 GMT
#147
another nony disappearance post first loss of a bo3
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
June 15 2012 17:53 GMT
#148
That loss must have been really tough on Nony's mentality if he just signed off Battle.net after losing.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
June 15 2012 17:56 GMT
#149
Nony Why Nony I wanted to see more chilltoss
Some times you just gotta wish...
TheAngryZergling
Profile Joined January 2011
United States387 Posts
June 15 2012 19:02 GMT
#150
Not cool of demuslim. I'm sure there was a miscommunication though xeris narrative sounds more credible given the hectic schedule and understandable cutting-loose later on that demuslim had going on.

twitter. forum posts. a vlog. all public outlets that would spotlight and get the desired attention any issues a pro player of demuslim's standing would care to bring up. the community has shown how much it deeply craves such drama. using in game chat for that purpose is ridiculous and unacceptable.
Everything in life is most clearly explained through a Starcraft analogy.
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
June 15 2012 19:36 GMT
#151
On June 16 2012 04:02 TheAngryZergling wrote:
Not cool of demuslim. I'm sure there was a miscommunication though xeris narrative sounds more credible given the hectic schedule and understandable cutting-loose later on that demuslim had going on.

twitter. forum posts. a vlog. all public outlets that would spotlight and get the desired attention any issues a pro player of demuslim's standing would care to bring up. the community has shown how much it deeply craves such drama. using in game chat for that purpose is ridiculous and unacceptable.

didn't demuslim use those outlets? Did you read his comment in this thread? It seems like there was a miscommunication or something like that.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
June 15 2012 19:56 GMT
#152
MajorLeeScrewed wrote on Reddit:
I know he's had an issue with depression and everything, but if a non-TL player did this there would be a shit storm.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
June 15 2012 20:17 GMT
#153
On June 15 2012 12:13 DeMusliM wrote:
Feel i need to talk about this, as Xeris is saying some true statements, and leaving a hell of a lot out.

Yes i spoke to Xeris in person multiple times throughout the week of MLG. Our first encounter was a "hello how you doing" sort of thing. In which, turned into a talk about NASL - (this was prior to any game being played at MLG, infact was maybe the first day i arrived.) - i specifically asked about when my matches would be played, and he said after MLG, and i then responded by saying, i'm travelling around after mlg to gigabyte, after that isn't a problem? To which a response of yes was in place, i smiled alot and asked "are you sure?" multiple times, i actually think 3 times since usually NASL don't change things. As far as i was set, things were sorted.

The final night of MLG after the finals, needless to say everyone got tipsy, i opened up my email the next morning and it said i had a match of the tomorrow. This according to my prior conversation with Xeris, was a complete mistake.
I tried contacting him several times with emails. (If anybody remembers my troubles with NASL previously, Season 1 - they excluded me from the league because in my "application video" i had a cast around my elbow, i was more than fit to play, but their reasoning rather than asking me am i fit or able, was just to look at the video and say no.) Obviously this is a sour memory, but more related to the topic at Hand is this:

I contacted NASL in season 2, when i was to play Hero, i messaged NASL saying it was impossible for me to play at a certain date, and i'd like it postponed 2 days later, or when ever fit for hero. - This message DID get through, but the day of the match, i got a defloss and a 200 dollar penalty. I messaged, they responded by saying they had no message what so ever, and it was my fault for not following up with several more messages, and that they contacted EG and they couldn't get cold of me either. 1. It was actually EG who contacted NASL, so that was a pretty gnarley excuse in the first place. 2. - i had evidence of the message going through. After the incident kind of unwinded, i actually wanted the penalty fine lifted, in which i was still walkovered, they said no. I thought it was all a little unjust.

So this time i messaged xeris several more times, after no response, I finally wrote on twitter, slightly embarrassing him i guess to get back to me ASAP. He did so, but only because i went public with it. This obviously is NOT the way things should be done, and for that lack of "sportsmanship" i do apologize, but the amount of shady doings that go on without the public knowing about them is atrocious. So after a few emails back and forth about "you told me prior to MLG things were ok, what went wrong?" with a retort along the lines of "i never said that, we can let you play at the NASL office."

Obviously i was a little mad, and acted a little unjust, i'm just pretty sick of this league shitting on me at every opportunity it possibly can, especially when i know for a fact, and so does he, that said conversation took place.



Xeris strikes again? Lol just trolling.

Shitty situation for DeMuslim. Obviously there was a misunderstanding :[
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
June 15 2012 20:31 GMT
#154
NASL is the last major tournament for the "entertainment" players. (Mostly foreigners, well known and underperforming). If they want to grow and reach more people, they have to step up the quality of play and the handling of players regarding incidents like this.
I really like the improved quality of play in most tournaments due to the better selection of players (MLG11: low level players blocking pool spots for better ones --> MLG12: stacked open bracket with GSL level pool play / GSL: faster "rotation rate" between Code SAB).
--> The Entertainment Players (TM) should really consider how they want to present themselves, skill becomes slowly more important than popularity.
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 15 2012 20:49 GMT
#155
On June 16 2012 05:31 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
NASL is the last major tournament for the "entertainment" players. (Mostly foreigners, well known and underperforming). If they want to grow and reach more people, they have to step up the quality of play and the handling of players regarding incidents like this.
I really like the improved quality of play in most tournaments due to the better selection of players (MLG11: low level players blocking pool spots for better ones --> MLG12: stacked open bracket with GSL level pool play / GSL: faster "rotation rate" between Code SAB).
--> The Entertainment Players (TM) should really consider how they want to present themselves, skill becomes slowly more important than popularity.


They're having more turnover in terms of players, 12 players out completely to be replaced by 12 new ones. 4 of those new ones are:

MvP.sC or MvP.Galaxy
coL.Killer or MvP.Finale
Lemondogs.Forsen or NMxMaSa
Empire.Beastyqt or Gosu.IceCream
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
June 15 2012 22:18 GMT
#156
On June 16 2012 04:56 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
MajorLeeScrewed wrote on Reddit:
I know he's had an issue with depression and everything, but if a non-TL player did this there would be a shit storm.


Nah, a minor instance of possible bm in an insignificant NASL match doesn't draw (or warrant) much attention. Nothing shit storm worthy.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#157
On June 16 2012 07:18 FrogOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2012 04:56 graNite wrote:
MajorLeeScrewed wrote on Reddit:
I know he's had an issue with depression and everything, but if a non-TL player did this there would be a shit storm.


Nah, a minor instance of possible bm in an insignificant NASL match doesn't draw (or warrant) much attention. Nothing shit storm worthy.


This is the third time he's done it this calendar year.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
June 15 2012 22:40 GMT
#158
On June 16 2012 07:23 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2012 07:18 FrogOfWar wrote:
On June 16 2012 04:56 graNite wrote:
MajorLeeScrewed wrote on Reddit:
I know he's had an issue with depression and everything, but if a non-TL player did this there would be a shit storm.


Nah, a minor instance of possible bm in an insignificant NASL match doesn't draw (or warrant) much attention. Nothing shit storm worthy.


This is the third time he's done it this calendar year.


I guess what I meant is that I think if he weren't on TL there would be less reason to care, not more, because from Liquid you'd expect better.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 16 2012 00:45 GMT
#159
On June 16 2012 07:23 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2012 07:18 FrogOfWar wrote:
On June 16 2012 04:56 graNite wrote:
MajorLeeScrewed wrote on Reddit:
I know he's had an issue with depression and everything, but if a non-TL player did this there would be a shit storm.


Nah, a minor instance of possible bm in an insignificant NASL match doesn't draw (or warrant) much attention. Nothing shit storm worthy.


This is the third time he's done it this calendar year.


It's troubling, but it doesn't seem like TL is going to do anything about it, which is a shame. If you show up for a match, there honestly isn't any excuse to quit halfway. Even Idra had the "decency" to 6 pool, which was also immature and unprofessional but at least he played the matches out. Just my thoughts.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
June 16 2012 01:54 GMT
#160
On June 15 2012 17:04 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 10:00 TechNoTrance wrote:
On June 15 2012 09:47 Dexington wrote:
On June 15 2012 09:32 Yamulo wrote:
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote:
funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier

hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good
hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win
everything is possible in pvp though...

darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving

for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately

I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless

predictions:
DrakFroce 2-1 Crazymoving
HasuObs 1-2 Hero
Dimaga 2-1 Demuslim
Nony 0-2 Sjow

The same could be said for every other country. For example, the amount of faith you have for HasuObs is really confusing to anyone not from Germany.


I have a lot of faith in Hasu. He just won EPS. What has Nony done to warrant any hype?

Other than winning 3 series in WCS USA


Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?


Yes, he has to win a major tournament. It's just that in my opinion, he doesn't deserve hype and people believing in him, cause he doesn't really practice at all compared to the ones working hard. We can empathize for him having depression, that's about it.


This is one of the most ridiculous viewpoints I have ever seen lol. I'm curious how recent does a pro player need to win a tournament before I am allowed to cheer for and believe in him? Grubby has never won a major tournament like MLG, is it OK with you if I cheer for him when he plays? Or does he not deserve it because he has never won a major tournament? This logic is downright stupid.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1d 1h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 89
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 61893
Sea 11693
Horang2 1071
firebathero 779
Larva 507
actioN 318
Mini 298
PianO 179
ZerO 172
JulyZerg 142
[ Show more ]
Killer 141
Rush 127
Sharp 113
Dewaltoss 100
EffOrt 92
ggaemo 68
Snow 50
Mind 43
Light 41
Barracks 33
ToSsGirL 33
ajuk12(nOOB) 27
soO 24
NaDa 23
Noble 15
scan(afreeca) 13
Movie 10
Terrorterran 10
hero 8
sorry 6
Dota 2
XcaliburYe195
NeuroSwarm67
League of Legends
JimRising 471
C9.Mang0312
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2329
shoxiejesuss965
byalli215
Other Games
summit1g8785
Happy529
ceh9518
Fuzer 350
Mew2King113
Trikslyr27
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick637
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Light_VIP 62
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos3421
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
1d 1h
Gerald vs YoungYakov
Spirit vs MaNa
SHIN vs Percival
Creator vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
1d 22h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.