On June 15 2012 11:51 Xeris wrote: Let me clarify:
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
Would you mind me asking why he had to send several emails and use twitter trying to get your attention? It was obvious there was a misunderstanding here, wouldn't more open lines of communication solve problems like these?
Because I talked to him in person several days before the tweets.
if he's still confused tweet back at his questions. because it appeares your conversation wasnt clear
On June 15 2012 11:51 Xeris wrote: Let me clarify:
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
Would you mind me asking why he had to send several emails and use twitter trying to get your attention? It was obvious there was a misunderstanding here, wouldn't more open lines of communication solve problems like these?
Because I talked to him in person several days before the tweets.
if he's still confused tweet back at his questions. because it appeares your conversation wasnt clear
Me tweeting back at him isn't an issue. I replied to his emails and was very clear.
Anyway, final information, then I'm not going to continue arguing or posting about it:
1) He was made clear the exact schedule at the start of the season, which was clear that Week 9 games were played this week.
2) I sent him an email 4 days ago about it, and he replied. It took me one day to reply to his email, in which I clarified the situation for him.
3) That night he responded to my email, I spoke to him about it in person
4) I offered him a place to stay at the NASL studio to play, we even offered him a hotel if he needed to stay here in order to play. The Odyssey LAN center was also being used by other players at that time (HuK had a NASL match at the same time, and had no problem being online to play it).
These are facts. I did not reply to his tweets because I'd already talked to him in person and sent emails (which he received because he responded to my emails). Anyway, gl!
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
Yup, still not entirely sure what it’s all about but regardless of that it just came across as petty and unprofessional.
read my previos post, and if you think its petty consider that it could screw him over in terms of making it to the grand finals. pretty big hit to a career.
Does it still justify kicking and screaming during a match? I see this as on par with footballers flipping off a referee, or tennis players breaking their $300 rackets on court.
Players will get angry and emotional, but it’s up to them to rise above it in respect to their fans and opponents. Do I (as a DeMuslim fan) want to hear about his opinion on why he thought he was mis-treated post match via Twitter, of course I do! Do I want to see it in game, no I don’t. The result is what we see here, people completely forgetting about the match and Dimaga’s win and just focusing on the drama, business as usual on Teamliquid.net
Feel i need to talk about this, as Xeris is saying some true statements, and leaving a hell of a lot out.
Yes i spoke to Xeris in person multiple times throughout the week of MLG. Our first encounter was a "hello how you doing" sort of thing. In which, turned into a talk about NASL - (this was prior to any game being played at MLG, infact was maybe the first day i arrived.) - i specifically asked about when my matches would be played, and he said after MLG, and i then responded by saying, i'm travelling around after mlg to gigabyte, after that isn't a problem? To which a response of yes was in place, i smiled alot and asked "are you sure?" multiple times, i actually think 3 times since usually NASL don't change things. As far as i was set, things were sorted.
The final night of MLG after the finals, needless to say everyone got tipsy, i opened up my email the next morning and it said i had a match of the tomorrow. This according to my prior conversation with Xeris, was a complete mistake. I tried contacting him several times with emails. (If anybody remembers my troubles with NASL previously, Season 1 - they excluded me from the league because in my "application video" i had a cast around my elbow, i was more than fit to play, but their reasoning rather than asking me am i fit or able, was just to look at the video and say no.) Obviously this is a sour memory, but more related to the topic at Hand is this:
I contacted NASL in season 2, when i was to play Hero, i messaged NASL saying it was impossible for me to play at a certain date, and i'd like it postponed 2 days later, or when ever fit for hero. - This message DID get through, but the day of the match, i got a defloss and a 200 dollar penalty. I messaged, they responded by saying they had no message what so ever, and it was my fault for not following up with several more messages, and that they contacted EG and they couldn't get cold of me either. 1. It was actually EG who contacted NASL, so that was a pretty gnarley excuse in the first place. 2. - i had evidence of the message going through. After the incident kind of unwinded, i actually wanted the penalty fine lifted, in which i was still walkovered, they said no. I thought it was all a little unjust.
So this time i messaged xeris several more times, after no response, I finally wrote on twitter, slightly embarrassing him i guess to get back to me ASAP. He did so, but only because i went public with it. This obviously is NOT the way things should be done, and for that lack of "sportsmanship" i do apologize, but the amount of shady doings that go on without the public knowing about them is atrocious. So after a few emails back and forth about "you told me prior to MLG things were ok, what went wrong?" with a retort along the lines of "i never said that, we can let you play at the NASL office."
Obviously i was a little mad, and acted a little unjust, i'm just pretty sick of this league shitting on me at every opportunity it possibly can, especially when i know for a fact, and so does he, that said conversation took place.
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
Yup, still not entirely sure what it’s all about but regardless of that it just came across as petty and unprofessional.
read my previos post, and if you think its petty consider that it could screw him over in terms of making it to the grand finals. pretty big hit to a career.
Does it still justify kicking and screaming during a match? I see this as on par with footballers flipping off a referee, or tennis players breaking their $300 rackets on court.
Players will get angry and emotional, but it’s up to them to rise above it in respect to their fans and opponents. Do I (as a DeMuslim fan) want to hear about his opinion on why he thought he was mis-treated post match via Twitter, of course I do! Do I want to see it in game, no I don’t. The result is what we see here, people completely forgetting about the match and Dimaga’s win and just focusing on the drama, business as usual on Teamliquid.net
"thank you xeris" = "FUCK YOU REF"/"SMASH THIS EXPENSIVE TENNIS RACKET IN RAGE"
On June 15 2012 12:13 DeMusliM wrote: Feel i need to talk about this, as Xeris is saying some true statements, and leaving a hell of a lot out.
Yes i spoke to Xeris in person multiple times throughout the week of MLG. Our first encounter was a "hello how you doing" sort of thing. In which, turned into a talk about NASL - (this was prior to any game being played at MLG, infact was maybe the first day i arrived.) - i specifically asked about when my matches would be played, and he said after MLG, and i then responded by saying, i'm travelling around after mlg to gigabyte, after that isn't a problem? To which a response of yes was in place, i smiled alot and asked "are you sure?" multiple times, i actually think 3 times since usually NASL don't change things. As far as i was set, things were sorted.
The final night of MLG after the finals, needless to say everyone got tipsy, i opened up my email the next morning and it said i had a match of the tomorrow. This according to my prior conversation with Xeris, was a complete mistake. I tried contacting him several times with emails. (If anybody remembers my troubles with NASL previously, Season 1 - they excluded me from the league because in my "application video" i had a cast around my elbow, i was more than fit to play, but their reasoning rather than asking me am i fit or able, was just to look at the video and say no.) Obviously this is a sour memory, but more related to the topic at Hand is this:
I contacted NASL in season 2, when i was to play Hero, i messaged NASL saying it was impossible for me to play at a certain date, and i'd like it postponed 2 days later, or when ever fit for hero. - This message DID get through, but the day of the match, i got a defloss and a 200 dollar penalty. I messaged, they responded by saying they had no message what so ever, and it was my fault for not following up with several more messages, and that they contacted EG and they couldn't get cold of me either. 1. It was actually EG who contacted NASL, so that was a pretty gnarley excuse in the first place. 2. - i had evidence of the message going through. After the incident kind of unwinded, i actually wanted the penalty fine lifted, in which i was still walkovered, they said no. I thought it was all a little unjust.
So this time i messaged xeris several more times, after no response, I finally wrote on twitter, slightly embarrassing him i guess to get back to me ASAP. He did so, but only because i went public with it. This obviously is NOT the way things should be done, and for that lack of "sportsmanship" i do apologize, but the amount of shady doings that go on without the public knowing about them is atrocious. So after a few emails back and forth about "you told me prior to MLG things were ok, what went wrong?" with a retort along the lines of "i never said that, we can let you play at the NASL office."
Obviously i was a little mad, and acted a little unjust, i'm just pretty sick of this league shitting on me at every opportunity it possibly can, especially when i know for a fact, and so does he, that said conversation took place.
this goes along with what xeris was saynig except they conflict about the MLG conversation
On June 15 2012 12:13 DeMusliM wrote: Feel i need to talk about this, as Xeris is saying some true statements, and leaving a hell of a lot out.
Yes i spoke to Xeris in person multiple times throughout the week of MLG. Our first encounter was a "hello how you doing" sort of thing. In which, turned into a talk about NASL - (this was prior to any game being played at MLG, infact was maybe the first day i arrived.) - i specifically asked about when my matches would be played, and he said after MLG, and i then responded by saying, i'm travelling around after mlg to gigabyte, after that isn't a problem? To which a response of yes was in place, i smiled alot and asked "are you sure?" multiple times, i actually think 3 times since usually NASL don't change things. As far as i was set, things were sorted.
The final night of MLG after the finals, needless to say everyone got tipsy, i opened up my email the next morning and it said i had a match of the tomorrow. This according to my prior conversation with Xeris, was a complete mistake. I tried contacting him several times with emails. (If anybody remembers my troubles with NASL previously, Season 1 - they excluded me from the league because in my "application video" i had a cast around my elbow, i was more than fit to play, but their reasoning rather than asking me am i fit or able, was just to look at the video and say no.) Obviously this is a sour memory, but more related to the topic at Hand is this:
I contacted NASL in season 2, when i was to play Hero, i messaged NASL saying it was impossible for me to play at a certain date, and i'd like it postponed 2 days later, or when ever fit for hero. - This message DID get through, but the day of the match, i got a defloss and a 200 dollar penalty. I messaged, they responded by saying they had no message what so ever, and it was my fault for not following up with several more messages, and that they contacted EG and they couldn't get cold of me either. 1. It was actually EG who contacted NASL, so that was a pretty gnarley excuse in the first place. 2. - i had evidence of the message going through. After the incident kind of unwinded, i actually wanted the penalty fine lifted, in which i was still walkovered, they said no. I thought it was all a little unjust.
So this time i messaged xeris several more times, after no response, I finally wrote on twitter, slightly embarrassing him i guess to get back to me ASAP. He did so, but only because i went public with it. This obviously is NOT the way things should be done, and for that lack of "sportsmanship" i do apologize, but the amount of shady doings that go on without the public knowing about them is atrocious. So after a few emails back and forth about "you told me prior to MLG things were ok, what went wrong?" with a retort along the lines of "i never said that, we can let you play at the NASL office."
Obviously i was a little mad, and acted a little unjust, i'm just pretty sick of this league shitting on me at every opportunity it possibly can, especially when i know for a fact, and so does he, that said conversation took place.
Thanks for your side of the story. Sorry to hear about all of that , it's obvious NASL, while doing many great things, needs to improve the lines of communication between players and managers. There needs to be official agreements between player and manager of the time for games, otherwise this could happen again. Good luck at Gigabye <3
I did. You just felt the need to attempt to rebuttal with mis-interpretation and over exaggeration.
I was infact referring to the fact that it was an outburst which other sports would deem improper and warrant a caution (giving examples). I never once insinuated that his actions were literally the same as two completely unrelated sports.
I did. You just felt the need to attempt to rebuttal with mis-interpretation and over exaggeration.
I was infact referring to the fact that it was an outburst which other sports would deem improper and warrant a caution (giving examples). I never once insinuated that his actions were literally the same as two completely unrelated sports.
im exaggerating? you seem to be the one exagerating with your example.
yes you insinuated that the level of properness "thank you xeris" had in starcraft 2 is the same as breaking a racket in tennis, and if you look at the context its not even that major of an incident.. You didn't think it though.
On June 15 2012 12:28 Greendotz wrote: I never once insinuated that his actions were literally the same as two completely unrelated sports.
What exactly does this mean then?
"I see this as on par with footballers flipping off a referee, or tennis players breaking their $300 rackets on court."
Honestly just stop...
as this guy says
on par = the same
I accept your point, I was trying to talk about sporting behaviour and those examples were unnecessary and just ended up misconstruing my view.
We do at least agree on one thing, when you take a step back the incident wasn’t really that major at all. To top it all off DeMuslim even acknowledged it and apologised, in my eyes completely negating any ‘poor sportsmanship’ that may have arose. To put it in context I was much more appalled with Nony’s apparent series quit than this incident (provided there wasn’t genuine reasons for it such as connection problems). I just happened to have TL open after DeMuslim’s game and not Nony’s.
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote: does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places
14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.
EPT
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