funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
People have confidence in him because he has been playing better recently and he has more confidence in himself. This "nony is back" hype isn't from WCS. He's been playing better, streaming more, just seems happier. Just because he isn't winning tournaments doesn't mean people can't be happy for him improving despite dealing with depression. He just moved to a new state so he has had barely any practice. He said he didn't get any practice for something like 10 days before WCS in an interview. Pretty good considering that and getting eliminated by the guy who ended up second in the tournament.
Funny how some people like to make claims while knowing little about the subject and context.
On June 14 2012 16:18 TechNoTrance wrote: Does the loser of NonY vs SjoW lose the guaranteed spot in next season? NonY fighting!
I'm fairly certain every player with 1 win right now is eliminated regardless. The only players who could still keep their spot are those with 2 wins, and I believe Idra is right on the cutting point, if you were curious where the line was.
Edit: Actually, right now White-Ra is the cut off line, but that's because he has 2 games left to play. You need 3 wins at least to stay in the league in that case because one of White-Ra's games are against qxc, who is 2-5 and below that line. So qxc and Idra, who are below White-Ra, are the only ones who can move up out of elimination.
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
The same could be said for every other country. For example, the amount of faith you have for HasuObs is really confusing to anyone not from Germany.
I have a lot of faith in Hasu. He just won EPS. What has Nony done to warrant any hype?
Other than winning 3 series in WCS USA
Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
The same could be said for every other country. For example, the amount of faith you have for HasuObs is really confusing to anyone not from Germany.
I have a lot of faith in Hasu. He just won EPS. What has Nony done to warrant any hype?
Other than winning 3 series in WCS USA
Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?
I didn't say anything against cheering for him, I (and sVnteen) just wonder when people started having confidence in him beating top Europeans.
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
And yet you have predicted DarkForce to win something, and Hasu to take a game off of Hero (which is more likely than DarkForce to win, imo, but will take some stroke of luck or skill).
Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?
I knew he has had depression issues, but I've never knew what about it keeps him from practicing? Does losing 4 games in a row tank hiss mood too much or something?
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
And yet you have predicted DarkForce to win something, and Hasu to take a game off of Hero (which is more likely than DarkForce to win, imo, but will take some stroke of luck or skill).
I get the feeling your only experience with Darkforce is in this season of NASL.
Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?
I knew he has had depression issues, but I've never knew what about it keeps him from practicing? Does losing 4 games in a row tank hiss mood too much or something?
It leaves you with little motivation, and little confidence. It can be pretty crippling.
Man what could have Nony really done? :/ Such a wide ramp on Tal'Darim Altair. On the other hand what a really good build from Sjow. I've never seen that before to be quite honest.
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
Whoa now, let's not just generalize all American fans like that. Just because someone is from the US doesn't mean that they are a fan of every US player and believes that each one could be the next GSL superstar.
I hope TL really talks to Nony about this. You can't just simply forfeit games like that, it's really disappointing for the viewers. This is at least the 2nd time that this has happened as well, the first being the first ONOG tournament.
On June 15 2012 11:05 Bagration wrote: I hope TL really talks to Nony about this. You can't just simply forfeit games like that, it's really disappointing for the viewers. This is at least the 2nd time that this has happened as well, the first being the first ONOG tournament.
He forfeited against Ryung in NASL as well this season.
On June 15 2012 11:05 Bagration wrote: I hope TL really talks to Nony about this. You can't just simply forfeit games like that, it's really disappointing for the viewers. This is at least the 2nd time that this has happened as well, the first being the first ONOG tournament.
It'll get swept under the rug like last time. Tyler dodged the question on sotg, the last time it happened giving a pr fluffy answer saying it's not his place to talk about it and that the team should speak about it if they want. Of course, no such team statement ever came.
I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
That was more bad luck in the game itself than anything else for Demuslim. Even at his best, don't know how he would have won with the builds each player used. Not that it doesn't suck.
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
It's still a bit annoying to come in underprepared because you had to play last minute games instead of planning builds and the like for a tournament like this. He's been unhappy about this since before the games were played.
Though luckily, worst case scenario, he ties with Ret and Strelok for 8th place into finals, and that's assuming they win 2-0. (MC will get 7th barring an 0-2 to put him below those aforementioned, or will tie jointly for 7/8th along with Ret and Strelok on points if he goes 1-2)
If you follow DeMuslim on twitter, you should would have seen this coming. He was talking about this a few days ago. If he what he says is true, not good for NASL.
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
can you convert the respect lost to feet or inches please, and then give a reference point, like the feet wide something everyone respects equally is. like thorzain, everyone respectss thorzain the same amount, alot. convert that to your measurement then convert that to the respect you have for demuslim before and after he talked about how xeris fucked him over.
On June 15 2012 11:35 Whatson wrote: Xeris is a manager for Fnatic I believe.. He posts a lot on these forums
Was. Now he's the manager for LighT and also NASL
Ahh sorry, I just remember him once having a Fnatic players signature, haven't seen or paid much attention to him the past year lol thanks for clearing it up
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
It's still a bit annoying to come in underprepared because you had to play last minute games instead of planning builds and the like for a tournament like this. He's been unhappy about this since before the games were played.
Though luckily, worst case scenario, he ties with Ret and Strelok for 8th place into finals, and that's assuming they win 2-0. (MC will get 7th barring an 0-2 to put him below those aforementioned, or will tie jointly for 7/8th along with Ret and Strelok on points.)
Yeah I know I remember seeing him post on twitter about this. I just think there would have been a better way to complain about it publicly than at the end of the game, where it comes across as bad sportsmanship, I don't blame him for being pissed though if what he says is true and I've said plenty of stupid shit when pissed off about something.
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
Yup, still not entirely sure what it’s all about but regardless of that it just came across as petty and unprofessional.
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
also read this tweet, you shouldnt have lost respect
___
Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM
@QuanticIllusion 3 emails in which no reply, finally i said on twitter hey you're not replying i don't want a walkover and instant reply T_T
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Chris Lee @QuanticIllusion
@DeMusliM sad the only way we can complain about it is through the public, or they dont listen
___
nasl wouldnt let demu play in good conditions, he had to phone into a net cafe or something, xeris had promised demu he wouldnt have to play till after gigabye. its not hard to understand
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
It's still a bit annoying to come in underprepared because you had to play last minute games instead of planning builds and the like for a tournament like this. He's been unhappy about this since before the games were played.
Though luckily, worst case scenario, he ties with Ret and Strelok for 8th place into finals, and that's assuming they win 2-0. (MC will get 7th barring an 0-2 to put him below those aforementioned, or will tie jointly for 7/8th along with Ret and Strelok on points if he goes 1-2)
If Ret wins 2-0, he advances as top in his group because he holds tiebreaker over Alicia. So technically, Demuslim would tie with Alicia and Strelok, worst case scenario
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
Yup, still not entirely sure what it’s all about but regardless of that it just came across as petty and unprofessional.
read my previos post, and if you think its petty consider that it could screw him over in terms of making it to the grand finals. pretty big hit to a career.
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
also read this tweet, you shouldnt have lost respect
___
Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM
@QuanticIllusion 3 emails in which no reply, finally i said on twitter hey you're not replying i don't want a walkover and instant reply T_T
__
Chris Lee @QuanticIllusion
@DeMusliM sad the only way we can complain about it is through the public, or they dont listen
___
nasl wouldnt let demu play in good conditions, he had to phone into a net cafe or something, xeris had promised demu he wouldnt have to play till after gigabye. its not hard to understand
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
also read this tweet, you shouldnt have lost respect
___
Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM
@QuanticIllusion 3 emails in which no reply, finally i said on twitter hey you're not replying i don't want a walkover and instant reply T_T
__
Chris Lee @QuanticIllusion
@DeMusliM sad the only way we can complain about it is through the public, or they dont listen
___
nasl wouldnt let demu play in good conditions, he had to phone into a net cafe or something, xeris had promised demu he wouldnt have to play till after gigabye. its not hard to understand
There's always two sides to a story.
then xeris should prepare a statement if he wants his story heard : P
i still dont think its unprofessional to file a complaint if the admins wont listen to you
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
also read this tweet, you shouldnt have lost respect
___
Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM
@QuanticIllusion 3 emails in which no reply, finally i said on twitter hey you're not replying i don't want a walkover and instant reply T_T
__
Chris Lee @QuanticIllusion
@DeMusliM sad the only way we can complain about it is through the public, or they dont listen
___
nasl wouldnt let demu play in good conditions, he had to phone into a net cafe or something, xeris had promised demu he wouldnt have to play till after gigabye. its not hard to understand
There's always two sides to a story.
then xeris should prepare a statement if he wants his story heard : P
i still dont think its unprofessional to file a complaint if the admins wont listen to you
Yeah he should, he could have even replied on twitter, obviously he was checking it. Not responding or making a statement won't look good
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
also read this tweet, you shouldnt have lost respect
___
Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM
@QuanticIllusion 3 emails in which no reply, finally i said on twitter hey you're not replying i don't want a walkover and instant reply T_T
__
Chris Lee @QuanticIllusion
@DeMusliM sad the only way we can complain about it is through the public, or they dont listen
___
nasl wouldnt let demu play in good conditions, he had to phone into a net cafe or something, xeris had promised demu he wouldnt have to play till after gigabye. its not hard to understand
There's always two sides to a story.
then xeris should prepare a statement if he wants his story heard : P
i still dont think its unprofessional to file a complaint if the admins wont listen to you
Yeah he should, he could have even replied on twitter, obviously he was checking it. Not responding or making a statement won't look good
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
On June 15 2012 11:51 Xeris wrote: Let me clarify:
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
obviously not since he was under the impression that it would be postponed.
On June 15 2012 11:51 Xeris wrote: Let me clarify:
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
obviously not since he was under the impression that it would be postponed.
I told him specifically that it would not be. I never once told him he could play after Gigabyte. I told him that Week 9 matches were postponed a week due to MLG, which has been the case ever since the season started in April
On June 15 2012 11:51 Xeris wrote: Let me clarify:
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
Would you mind me asking why he had to send several emails and use twitter trying to get your attention? It was obvious there was a misunderstanding here, wouldn't more open lines of communication solve problems like these?
On June 15 2012 11:51 Xeris wrote: Let me clarify:
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
Would you mind me asking why he had to send several emails and use twitter trying to get your attention? It was obvious there was a misunderstanding here, wouldn't more open lines of communication solve problems like these?
Because I talked to him in person several days before the tweets.
Furthermore, I DID respond to his emails. He sent me an email, and I replied one day later and clarified. He said "I wont be able to play because of Gigabyte," and the next day (after I had talked to him in person at MLG), I said we can't postpone it, but I offered him a place to play at the NASL studio if he needed a place to play.
On June 15 2012 11:51 Xeris wrote: Let me clarify:
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
Would you mind me asking why he had to send several emails and use twitter trying to get your attention? It was obvious there was a misunderstanding here, wouldn't more open lines of communication solve problems like these?
Because I talked to him in person several days before the tweets.
if he's still confused tweet back at his questions. because it appeares your conversation wasnt clear
On June 15 2012 11:51 Xeris wrote: Let me clarify:
1) The NASL schedule was given to all team managers and players at the start of the season. We were very clear that: a) there were no NASL games during the MLG Anaheim week, and b) Week 9 would be played AFTER MLG
2) DeMusliM asked if he could postpone. I talked to him in person, at MLG with the CEO of NASL with me, and we explained to him that we could NOT postpone until after Gigabyte, because our playoffs are next week and there is simply no time. DIMAGA will attend Dreamhack, and DeMusliM will play at Gigabyte, there were no other days.
3) We offered him a place to play and practice at the NASL studio for as long as he needed to play the game... and a lot of players were playing and practicing at the Odyssey LAN center (which is where DeMusliM played from... which is also where HuK and other players were playing)
I understand that DeMusliM is upset for playing in a non-ideal situation, but I believe the NASL was more than clear about the schedule and how the final week would be played.
Also... we send weekly emails about the schedule every Saturday that explains the exact schedule for the following week.
Would you mind me asking why he had to send several emails and use twitter trying to get your attention? It was obvious there was a misunderstanding here, wouldn't more open lines of communication solve problems like these?
Because I talked to him in person several days before the tweets.
if he's still confused tweet back at his questions. because it appeares your conversation wasnt clear
Me tweeting back at him isn't an issue. I replied to his emails and was very clear.
Anyway, final information, then I'm not going to continue arguing or posting about it:
1) He was made clear the exact schedule at the start of the season, which was clear that Week 9 games were played this week.
2) I sent him an email 4 days ago about it, and he replied. It took me one day to reply to his email, in which I clarified the situation for him.
3) That night he responded to my email, I spoke to him about it in person
4) I offered him a place to stay at the NASL studio to play, we even offered him a hotel if he needed to stay here in order to play. The Odyssey LAN center was also being used by other players at that time (HuK had a NASL match at the same time, and had no problem being online to play it).
These are facts. I did not reply to his tweets because I'd already talked to him in person and sent emails (which he received because he responded to my emails). Anyway, gl!
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
Yup, still not entirely sure what it’s all about but regardless of that it just came across as petty and unprofessional.
read my previos post, and if you think its petty consider that it could screw him over in terms of making it to the grand finals. pretty big hit to a career.
Does it still justify kicking and screaming during a match? I see this as on par with footballers flipping off a referee, or tennis players breaking their $300 rackets on court.
Players will get angry and emotional, but it’s up to them to rise above it in respect to their fans and opponents. Do I (as a DeMuslim fan) want to hear about his opinion on why he thought he was mis-treated post match via Twitter, of course I do! Do I want to see it in game, no I don’t. The result is what we see here, people completely forgetting about the match and Dimaga’s win and just focusing on the drama, business as usual on Teamliquid.net
Feel i need to talk about this, as Xeris is saying some true statements, and leaving a hell of a lot out.
Yes i spoke to Xeris in person multiple times throughout the week of MLG. Our first encounter was a "hello how you doing" sort of thing. In which, turned into a talk about NASL - (this was prior to any game being played at MLG, infact was maybe the first day i arrived.) - i specifically asked about when my matches would be played, and he said after MLG, and i then responded by saying, i'm travelling around after mlg to gigabyte, after that isn't a problem? To which a response of yes was in place, i smiled alot and asked "are you sure?" multiple times, i actually think 3 times since usually NASL don't change things. As far as i was set, things were sorted.
The final night of MLG after the finals, needless to say everyone got tipsy, i opened up my email the next morning and it said i had a match of the tomorrow. This according to my prior conversation with Xeris, was a complete mistake. I tried contacting him several times with emails. (If anybody remembers my troubles with NASL previously, Season 1 - they excluded me from the league because in my "application video" i had a cast around my elbow, i was more than fit to play, but their reasoning rather than asking me am i fit or able, was just to look at the video and say no.) Obviously this is a sour memory, but more related to the topic at Hand is this:
I contacted NASL in season 2, when i was to play Hero, i messaged NASL saying it was impossible for me to play at a certain date, and i'd like it postponed 2 days later, or when ever fit for hero. - This message DID get through, but the day of the match, i got a defloss and a 200 dollar penalty. I messaged, they responded by saying they had no message what so ever, and it was my fault for not following up with several more messages, and that they contacted EG and they couldn't get cold of me either. 1. It was actually EG who contacted NASL, so that was a pretty gnarley excuse in the first place. 2. - i had evidence of the message going through. After the incident kind of unwinded, i actually wanted the penalty fine lifted, in which i was still walkovered, they said no. I thought it was all a little unjust.
So this time i messaged xeris several more times, after no response, I finally wrote on twitter, slightly embarrassing him i guess to get back to me ASAP. He did so, but only because i went public with it. This obviously is NOT the way things should be done, and for that lack of "sportsmanship" i do apologize, but the amount of shady doings that go on without the public knowing about them is atrocious. So after a few emails back and forth about "you told me prior to MLG things were ok, what went wrong?" with a retort along the lines of "i never said that, we can let you play at the NASL office."
Obviously i was a little mad, and acted a little unjust, i'm just pretty sick of this league shitting on me at every opportunity it possibly can, especially when i know for a fact, and so does he, that said conversation took place.
On June 15 2012 11:34 Shaddar wrote: I don't get why he'd complain about it then, it's not like that's the reason he lost the game. I guess he wanted to get his complaint out there to the viewers?
guess so... dunno why he'd do it in front of such a crowd. lost respect for demu right there.
Yup, still not entirely sure what it’s all about but regardless of that it just came across as petty and unprofessional.
read my previos post, and if you think its petty consider that it could screw him over in terms of making it to the grand finals. pretty big hit to a career.
Does it still justify kicking and screaming during a match? I see this as on par with footballers flipping off a referee, or tennis players breaking their $300 rackets on court.
Players will get angry and emotional, but it’s up to them to rise above it in respect to their fans and opponents. Do I (as a DeMuslim fan) want to hear about his opinion on why he thought he was mis-treated post match via Twitter, of course I do! Do I want to see it in game, no I don’t. The result is what we see here, people completely forgetting about the match and Dimaga’s win and just focusing on the drama, business as usual on Teamliquid.net
"thank you xeris" = "FUCK YOU REF"/"SMASH THIS EXPENSIVE TENNIS RACKET IN RAGE"
On June 15 2012 12:13 DeMusliM wrote: Feel i need to talk about this, as Xeris is saying some true statements, and leaving a hell of a lot out.
Yes i spoke to Xeris in person multiple times throughout the week of MLG. Our first encounter was a "hello how you doing" sort of thing. In which, turned into a talk about NASL - (this was prior to any game being played at MLG, infact was maybe the first day i arrived.) - i specifically asked about when my matches would be played, and he said after MLG, and i then responded by saying, i'm travelling around after mlg to gigabyte, after that isn't a problem? To which a response of yes was in place, i smiled alot and asked "are you sure?" multiple times, i actually think 3 times since usually NASL don't change things. As far as i was set, things were sorted.
The final night of MLG after the finals, needless to say everyone got tipsy, i opened up my email the next morning and it said i had a match of the tomorrow. This according to my prior conversation with Xeris, was a complete mistake. I tried contacting him several times with emails. (If anybody remembers my troubles with NASL previously, Season 1 - they excluded me from the league because in my "application video" i had a cast around my elbow, i was more than fit to play, but their reasoning rather than asking me am i fit or able, was just to look at the video and say no.) Obviously this is a sour memory, but more related to the topic at Hand is this:
I contacted NASL in season 2, when i was to play Hero, i messaged NASL saying it was impossible for me to play at a certain date, and i'd like it postponed 2 days later, or when ever fit for hero. - This message DID get through, but the day of the match, i got a defloss and a 200 dollar penalty. I messaged, they responded by saying they had no message what so ever, and it was my fault for not following up with several more messages, and that they contacted EG and they couldn't get cold of me either. 1. It was actually EG who contacted NASL, so that was a pretty gnarley excuse in the first place. 2. - i had evidence of the message going through. After the incident kind of unwinded, i actually wanted the penalty fine lifted, in which i was still walkovered, they said no. I thought it was all a little unjust.
So this time i messaged xeris several more times, after no response, I finally wrote on twitter, slightly embarrassing him i guess to get back to me ASAP. He did so, but only because i went public with it. This obviously is NOT the way things should be done, and for that lack of "sportsmanship" i do apologize, but the amount of shady doings that go on without the public knowing about them is atrocious. So after a few emails back and forth about "you told me prior to MLG things were ok, what went wrong?" with a retort along the lines of "i never said that, we can let you play at the NASL office."
Obviously i was a little mad, and acted a little unjust, i'm just pretty sick of this league shitting on me at every opportunity it possibly can, especially when i know for a fact, and so does he, that said conversation took place.
this goes along with what xeris was saynig except they conflict about the MLG conversation
On June 15 2012 12:13 DeMusliM wrote: Feel i need to talk about this, as Xeris is saying some true statements, and leaving a hell of a lot out.
Yes i spoke to Xeris in person multiple times throughout the week of MLG. Our first encounter was a "hello how you doing" sort of thing. In which, turned into a talk about NASL - (this was prior to any game being played at MLG, infact was maybe the first day i arrived.) - i specifically asked about when my matches would be played, and he said after MLG, and i then responded by saying, i'm travelling around after mlg to gigabyte, after that isn't a problem? To which a response of yes was in place, i smiled alot and asked "are you sure?" multiple times, i actually think 3 times since usually NASL don't change things. As far as i was set, things were sorted.
The final night of MLG after the finals, needless to say everyone got tipsy, i opened up my email the next morning and it said i had a match of the tomorrow. This according to my prior conversation with Xeris, was a complete mistake. I tried contacting him several times with emails. (If anybody remembers my troubles with NASL previously, Season 1 - they excluded me from the league because in my "application video" i had a cast around my elbow, i was more than fit to play, but their reasoning rather than asking me am i fit or able, was just to look at the video and say no.) Obviously this is a sour memory, but more related to the topic at Hand is this:
I contacted NASL in season 2, when i was to play Hero, i messaged NASL saying it was impossible for me to play at a certain date, and i'd like it postponed 2 days later, or when ever fit for hero. - This message DID get through, but the day of the match, i got a defloss and a 200 dollar penalty. I messaged, they responded by saying they had no message what so ever, and it was my fault for not following up with several more messages, and that they contacted EG and they couldn't get cold of me either. 1. It was actually EG who contacted NASL, so that was a pretty gnarley excuse in the first place. 2. - i had evidence of the message going through. After the incident kind of unwinded, i actually wanted the penalty fine lifted, in which i was still walkovered, they said no. I thought it was all a little unjust.
So this time i messaged xeris several more times, after no response, I finally wrote on twitter, slightly embarrassing him i guess to get back to me ASAP. He did so, but only because i went public with it. This obviously is NOT the way things should be done, and for that lack of "sportsmanship" i do apologize, but the amount of shady doings that go on without the public knowing about them is atrocious. So after a few emails back and forth about "you told me prior to MLG things were ok, what went wrong?" with a retort along the lines of "i never said that, we can let you play at the NASL office."
Obviously i was a little mad, and acted a little unjust, i'm just pretty sick of this league shitting on me at every opportunity it possibly can, especially when i know for a fact, and so does he, that said conversation took place.
Thanks for your side of the story. Sorry to hear about all of that , it's obvious NASL, while doing many great things, needs to improve the lines of communication between players and managers. There needs to be official agreements between player and manager of the time for games, otherwise this could happen again. Good luck at Gigabye <3
I did. You just felt the need to attempt to rebuttal with mis-interpretation and over exaggeration.
I was infact referring to the fact that it was an outburst which other sports would deem improper and warrant a caution (giving examples). I never once insinuated that his actions were literally the same as two completely unrelated sports.
I did. You just felt the need to attempt to rebuttal with mis-interpretation and over exaggeration.
I was infact referring to the fact that it was an outburst which other sports would deem improper and warrant a caution (giving examples). I never once insinuated that his actions were literally the same as two completely unrelated sports.
im exaggerating? you seem to be the one exagerating with your example.
yes you insinuated that the level of properness "thank you xeris" had in starcraft 2 is the same as breaking a racket in tennis, and if you look at the context its not even that major of an incident.. You didn't think it though.
On June 15 2012 12:28 Greendotz wrote: I never once insinuated that his actions were literally the same as two completely unrelated sports.
What exactly does this mean then?
"I see this as on par with footballers flipping off a referee, or tennis players breaking their $300 rackets on court."
Honestly just stop...
as this guy says
on par = the same
I accept your point, I was trying to talk about sporting behaviour and those examples were unnecessary and just ended up misconstruing my view.
We do at least agree on one thing, when you take a step back the incident wasn’t really that major at all. To top it all off DeMuslim even acknowledged it and apologised, in my eyes completely negating any ‘poor sportsmanship’ that may have arose. To put it in context I was much more appalled with Nony’s apparent series quit than this incident (provided there wasn’t genuine reasons for it such as connection problems). I just happened to have TL open after DeMuslim’s game and not Nony’s.
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote: does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places
14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote: does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places
14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.
13-6 is 13/19, or 68.4%. Winning 13 out of 19 games played.
14-7 is 14/21, or 66.7%. Winning 14 out of 21 games played.
Therefore, 13-6 is a higher winning percentage than 14-7.
I'm not sure if NASL takes into account other factors or variables, but I think the comparison of those numbers alone should at least be made clear.
1. I am utterly convinced that Demuslim is telling the truth here. Why? Because he has a good track record. On the other hand: (before BitterDam) NASL had the worst track record of any major SC2 tournament regarding screwups, bad PR and unprofessionalism. And I'm sure some of that crap is still lingering around (see 'Sound Guy 101') even to this day.
2. In my opinion Demuslim made a big (albeit human) mistake bringing this up in the match, rather than just on the forums. I believe that he would had brought sufficient attention to this issue with his post alone, and without indirectly disrespecting Dimaga, the casters and some of the fans. This is not the first time this has happened (see Thorzain), and bringing it up in this manner is a huge PR no-no. I'd recommend trying to contain the rage until said Pro can get to the forum and then exploding. It's healthier in the long run.
On June 15 2012 13:37 SCST wrote: Two points (as a spectator only) about the drama:
1. I am utterly convinced that Demuslim is telling the truth here. Why? Because he has a good track record. On the other hand, (before BitterDam) NASL had the worst track record of any major SC2 tournament regarding screwups, bad PR and unprofessionalism. And I'm sure some of that crap is still lingering around (see 'Sound Guy 101') even to this day.
Don't just assume that X is correct and Y is incorrect just because of past experiences. Take a look at the evidence for this particular case as well. I'm not going to take sides here, but approach it with an open mind and read the context. Maybe both parties are at fault, maybe one of them really fucked up, maybe the other did.
On June 15 2012 13:37 SCST wrote: Two points (as a spectator only) about the drama:
1. I am utterly convinced that Demuslim is telling the truth here. Why? Because he has a good track record. On the other hand, (before BitterDam) NASL had the worst track record of any major SC2 tournament regarding screwups, bad PR and unprofessionalism. And I'm sure some of that crap is still lingering around (see 'Sound Guy 101') even to this day.
Don't just assume that X is correct and Y is incorrect just because of past experiences. Take a look at the evidence for this particular case as well. I'm not going to take sides here, but approach it with an open mind and read the context. Maybe both parties are at fault, maybe one of them really fucked up, maybe the other did.
it's actually pretty relevant here when all we have to go on is two versions of the same story. NASL has been at fault a significant number of times in the past. i don't recall any instances of demuslim lying about conversations he's had. there is no 'evidence' to look at. things may or may not have been said.
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote: does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places
14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.
13-6 is 13/19, or 68.4%. Winning 13 out of 19 games played.
14-7 is 14/21, or 66.7%. Winning 14 out of 21 games played.
Therefore, 13-6 is a higher winning percentage than 14-7.
I'm not sure if NASL takes into account other factors or variables, but I think the comparison of those numbers alone should at least be made clear.
Pretty sure NASL does it on points. you get 1 point for winning and -1 for losing.
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote: does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places
14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.
13-6 is 13/19, or 68.4%. Winning 13 out of 19 games played.
14-7 is 14/21, or 66.7%. Winning 14 out of 21 games played.
Therefore, 13-6 is a higher winning percentage than 14-7.
I'm not sure if NASL takes into account other factors or variables, but I think the comparison of those numbers alone should at least be made clear.
Pretty sure NASL does it on points. you get 1 point for winning and -1 for losing.
Ah, so they would be tied at 7 then? 13-6=7 and 14-7=7, like that?
On June 15 2012 13:37 SCST wrote: Two points (as a spectator only) about the drama:
1. I am utterly convinced that Demuslim is telling the truth here. Why? Because he has a good track record. On the other hand, (before BitterDam) NASL had the worst track record of any major SC2 tournament regarding screwups, bad PR and unprofessionalism. And I'm sure some of that crap is still lingering around (see 'Sound Guy 101') even to this day.
Don't just assume that X is correct and Y is incorrect just because of past experiences. Take a look at the evidence for this particular case as well. I'm not going to take sides here, but approach it with an open mind and read the context. Maybe both parties are at fault, maybe one of them really fucked up, maybe the other did.
I like your balanced perspective, but I bring to your attention that my speech was never dogmatic in any way. Being 'utterly convinced' is not attempting to be factual, it's just my opinion stated very strongly. In other words, I'm as convinced as I could possibly be without knowing with 100% certainty that Demuslim is telling the truth.
Regarding the way I form my opinions, well . . . my experiences and observations go a long way in shaping my opinions of the world. Facts trump everything of course, but to base my judgment solely on facts (when facts are not available) would be to sap the life out of my humanity. In other words, I prefer not to live life as if I were hand-held calculator!
And I am a very open minded person. In this case, however, NASL has gone beyond merely losing some credability over the previous Seasons blunders - in fact, I think NASL is bankrupt in the credability department. So no, I don't need to have an open mind anymore. Both cases for this drama have been laid out quite clearly and I don't see much grey area to mull over. One person is lying or has severe short-term memory loss. And I'm convinced it's not Demuslim.
Fair enough, pique and SCST. I agree that NASL has indeed lost credibility in the past. I just don't like to jump on the bandwagon of "It must be them because they've done it in the past", although I completely understand that it seems rather logical to assume it was them when there's nothing else to go on other than reputations. While other players have less than stellar track records, and NASL has done a lot to improve their organization over the past few seasons, DeMusliM does have a good reputation (as far as I know) and NASL has been far from perfect.
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote: does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places
14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.
13-6 is 13/19, or 68.4%. Winning 13 out of 19 games played.
14-7 is 14/21, or 66.7%. Winning 14 out of 21 games played.
Therefore, 13-6 is a higher winning percentage than 14-7.
I'm not sure if NASL takes into account other factors or variables, but I think the comparison of those numbers alone should at least be made clear.
Pretty sure NASL does it on points. you get 1 point for winning and -1 for losing.
Ah, so they would be tied at 7 then? 13-6=7 and 14-7=7, like that?
On June 15 2012 13:37 SCST wrote: Two points (as a spectator only) about the drama:
1. I am utterly convinced that Demuslim is telling the truth here. Why? Because he has a good track record. On the other hand: (before BitterDam) NASL had the worst track record of any major SC2 tournament regarding screwups, bad PR and unprofessionalism. And I'm sure some of that crap is still lingering around (see 'Sound Guy 101') even to this day.
2. In my opinion Demuslim made a big (albeit human) mistake bringing this up in the match, rather than just on the forums. I believe that he would had brought sufficient attention to this issue with his post alone, and without indirectly disrespecting Dimaga, the casters and some of the fans. This is not the first time this has happened (see Thorzain), and bringing it up in this manner is a huge PR no-no. I'd recommend trying to contain the rage until said Pro can get to the forum and then exploding. It's healthier in the long run.
/preaching
If you're going by track record... I've never in my life let a person postpone a match for two weeks. Why would I have started here? This is a he-says-she-says argument. But if you want to look at track records, you'd know that we at the NASL are very hesitant to postpone matches even 1-2 days, let alone 1-2 weeks, and that we only make exceptions for major events such as MLG, Blizzcon, and GSL Code S games (the only times we've ever specifically allowed matches to be played after a broadcast date). Based on this, one would conclude that I never would have told DeMusliM he could play after Gigabyte, it's 100% not something I would ever do.
Regardless, DeMusliM believes I did, and I'm saying I didn't... not much more to it than that.
On June 15 2012 13:37 SCST wrote: Two points (as a spectator only) about the drama:
1. I am utterly convinced that Demuslim is telling the truth here. Why? Because he has a good track record. On the other hand: (before BitterDam) NASL had the worst track record of any major SC2 tournament regarding screwups, bad PR and unprofessionalism. And I'm sure some of that crap is still lingering around (see 'Sound Guy 101') even to this day.
2. In my opinion Demuslim made a big (albeit human) mistake bringing this up in the match, rather than just on the forums. I believe that he would had brought sufficient attention to this issue with his post alone, and without indirectly disrespecting Dimaga, the casters and some of the fans. This is not the first time this has happened (see Thorzain), and bringing it up in this manner is a huge PR no-no. I'd recommend trying to contain the rage until said Pro can get to the forum and then exploding. It's healthier in the long run.
/preaching
If you're going by track record... I've never in my life let a person postpone a match for two weeks. Why would I have started here? This is a he-says-she-says argument. But if you want to look at track records, you'd know that we at the NASL are very hesitant to postpone matches even 1-2 days, let alone 1-2 weeks, and that we only make exceptions for major events such as MLG, Blizzcon, and GSL Code S games (the only times we've ever specifically allowed matches to be played after a broadcast date). Based on this, one would conclude that I never would have told DeMusliM he could play after Gigabyte, it's 100% not something I would ever do.
Regardless, DeMusliM believes I did, and I'm saying I didn't... not much more to it than that.
You're right about one thing, it does look like a "he-said-she-said" argument. I don't know anything about you personally Xeris - for all I know you could be the second-coming of Jesus in regards to moral integrity. However, you work for an organization with a bad record and that affects you too. Many mistakes have been made, more than normal growing pains. It sucks, but if people are forced to choose between a stand-up player like Demuslim and officials from NASL, you can't possibly be surprised at the result (regardless of your personal track record).
Only you and Demuslim know what really happened. If you're innocent of charge, I wouldn't let these judgements affect you, as anyone who discusses the drama in here (including me) is obviously speculating without solid evidence. And regardless of opinions, I hope you and Demuslim are able to work things out! Professionals harboring animosity towards one another is quite possibly the worse thing that can happen to an online community.
I'd hazard a guess and say that Demuslim asked something and Xeris heard it differently than it was intended by Demuslim and thus said yes, causing Demuslim to think one thing and xeris to think another? Is this possible Demuslim/Xeris?
On June 15 2012 16:02 mrtomjones wrote: I'd hazard a guess and say that Demuslim asked something and Xeris heard it differently than it was intended by Demuslim and thus said yes, causing Demuslim to think one thing and xeris to think another? Is this possible Demuslim/Xeris?
This is what I was thinking as well. From Demu's account, maybe when Xeris said yes he was acknowledging there would be a problem but not saying they could do anything about it? Idk, sounds like there's misinterpretation at work here, maybe neither is really at fault
As Xeris/DemusliM are saying. Its a he-says-she-says argument. DemusliM believed it would be postponed until after Gigabyte while to Xeris it was made clear that it was NOT the case.
Not even making the eMails with time stamps would solve this situation as there is no fault in the written evidence but in community in PERSON at MLG. Its too bad for DemusliM as he is the one screwed regardless who's fault it is. After reading this thread, DemusliM will still be qualified for the finals, so I'm glad for him. He is a very good and entertaining player and he's usually very calm and honest, so I can't believe people call him out on writing wrong statements.
On the other hand, not knowing Xeris too well I still believe he knows his job and this was just a simple missunderstanding at MLG. I hope NASL / leagues really get rid of stuff like that before there is a need of not allowing a postpone at all, because that would certainly make the league be safe, but screw the players.
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
The same could be said for every other country. For example, the amount of faith you have for HasuObs is really confusing to anyone not from Germany.
I have a lot of faith in Hasu. He just won EPS. What has Nony done to warrant any hype?
Other than winning 3 series in WCS USA
Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?
Yes, he has to win a major tournament. It's just that in my opinion, he doesn't deserve hype and people believing in him, cause he doesn't really practice at all compared to the ones working hard. We can empathize for him having depression, that's about it.
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
The same could be said for every other country. For example, the amount of faith you have for HasuObs is really confusing to anyone not from Germany.
I have a lot of faith in Hasu. He just won EPS. What has Nony done to warrant any hype?
Other than winning 3 series in WCS USA
Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?
Yes, he has to win a major tournament. It's just that in my opinion, he doesn't deserve hype and people believing in him, cause he doesn't really practice at all compared to the ones working hard. We can empathize for him having depression, that's about it.
how dare a man have fans that believe in him. what a ridiculous thought.
This would not have happened if NASL didn't insist on having this format of qualifiers, like I've said a million times before.
Please consider having groups of 4 or something that you only need the players for for one night or one weekend, after which they'll be done with their group and don't need to show up again until the final tournament (if they qualified).
These problems are never ever going to go away with this format in place.
On June 15 2012 17:28 Talin wrote: This would not have happened if NASL didn't insist on having this format of qualifiers, like I've said a million times before.
Please consider having groups of 4 or something that you only need the players for for one night or one weekend, after which they'll be done with their group and don't need to show up again until the final tournament (if they qualified).
These problems are never ever going to go away with this format in place.
Which would basically defeat the purpose of a league where you can see the players progressing over time..? I think the advantage NASL has over other tournaments is that you can tune in every week and see a match of a player you follow. With a GSL like format (what you're suggesting I think) you may see 1 day of matches of that player per season (+maybe offline finals) or outdated replays which is just boring to watch.
I really like the NASL-format and I think it provides an interesting tournament. I also think the structure is a bit too conservative in how many players are kept from one season and to the next one - the level of play could be upped significantly by allowing more new players into the tournament. As to players complaining about the late hours when playing the games - well, tough titty, you knew that when you signed up.
On June 15 2012 17:28 Talin wrote: This would not have happened if NASL didn't insist on having this format of qualifiers, like I've said a million times before.
Please consider having groups of 4 or something that you only need the players for for one night or one weekend, after which they'll be done with their group and don't need to show up again until the final tournament (if they qualified).
These problems are never ever going to go away with this format in place.
Which would basically defeat the purpose of a league where you can see the players progressing over time..? I think the advantage NASL has over other tournaments is that you can tune in every week and see a match of a player you follow. With a GSL like format (what you're suggesting I think) you may see 1 day of matches of that player per season (+maybe offline finals) or outdated replays which is just boring to watch.
It is not an advantage over other tournaments when every few matchdays there's a lot of red text on the page explaining what exactly went wrong this time and how many games weren't played. You can tune in every week to a watch of a player you follow, or you can tune in only to realize he didn't show up and/or the match was postponed.
It would have been an advantage over other tournaments if it actually worked like it was imagined, but it doesn't work, and it doesn't work because it's extremely impractical and impossible to schedule. So it turns out to be a disadvantage instead.
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote: does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places
14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.
13-6 is 13/19, or 68.4%. Winning 13 out of 19 games played.
14-7 is 14/21, or 66.7%. Winning 14 out of 21 games played.
Therefore, 13-6 is a higher winning percentage than 14-7.
I'm not sure if NASL takes into account other factors or variables, but I think the comparison of those numbers alone should at least be made clear.
Any official statement here? How were ties broken last season? Where is the official rulebook for the NASL?
On June 15 2012 17:28 Talin wrote: This would not have happened if NASL didn't insist on having this format of qualifiers, like I've said a million times before.
Please consider having groups of 4 or something that you only need the players for for one night or one weekend, after which they'll be done with their group and don't need to show up again until the final tournament (if they qualified).
These problems are never ever going to go away with this format in place.
Which would basically defeat the purpose of a league where you can see the players progressing over time..? I think the advantage NASL has over other tournaments is that you can tune in every week and see a match of a player you follow. With a GSL like format (what you're suggesting I think) you may see 1 day of matches of that player per season (+maybe offline finals) or outdated replays which is just boring to watch.
It is not an advantage over other tournaments when every few matchdays there's a lot of red text on the page explaining what exactly went wrong this time and how many games weren't played. You can tune in every week to a watch of a player you follow, or you can tune in only to realize he didn't show up and/or the match was postponed.
It would have been an advantage over other tournaments if it actually worked like it was imagined, but it doesn't work, and it doesn't work because it's extremely impractical and impossible to schedule. So it turns out to be a disadvantage instead.
Feel free to go back over the season and actually work out how many games were forfeited over the season. I'll help you out a bit. For the MLG Spring Arena... 1 match was forfeited by Ryung.
At this point and time we are missing 3 matches, with 1 specifically scheduled for over the next day or so. You are just ridiculously overplaying something that has not been a significant factor in the league this season.
On June 15 2012 12:25 1yzarc1 wrote: does anyone know whether 14-7 beats 13-6? because if so then demuslim is through anyways as he will be in the top 3 2nd places
14-7 is a better winning % than 13-6, yeah. So demuslim advances no matter what happens.
13-6 is 13/19, or 68.4%. Winning 13 out of 19 games played.
14-7 is 14/21, or 66.7%. Winning 14 out of 21 games played.
Therefore, 13-6 is a higher winning percentage than 14-7.
I'm not sure if NASL takes into account other factors or variables, but I think the comparison of those numbers alone should at least be made clear.
Any official statement here? How were ties broken last season? Where is the official rulebook for the NASL?
Last season they had tiebreaker games after the season was over to decide placing.
On June 16 2012 02:16 sVnteen wrote: gogo hasu kick demu out !!! (or at least into the tiebrakers)
I never really liked demuslim and I always thought he was way overhyped but that he was so unprofessional too is new to me.
imo he shouldn't complain and instead try to actually win vs dimaga instead...
So much hate. But guess what, you're wrong. It's impossible for Hasu to kick Demuslim out. Even if he 2-0s HerO, he will still be ranked lower than Demuslim with +6 instead of +7. So... Yeah, nope.
Not cool of demuslim. I'm sure there was a miscommunication though xeris narrative sounds more credible given the hectic schedule and understandable cutting-loose later on that demuslim had going on.
twitter. forum posts. a vlog. all public outlets that would spotlight and get the desired attention any issues a pro player of demuslim's standing would care to bring up. the community has shown how much it deeply craves such drama. using in game chat for that purpose is ridiculous and unacceptable.
On June 16 2012 04:02 TheAngryZergling wrote: Not cool of demuslim. I'm sure there was a miscommunication though xeris narrative sounds more credible given the hectic schedule and understandable cutting-loose later on that demuslim had going on.
twitter. forum posts. a vlog. all public outlets that would spotlight and get the desired attention any issues a pro player of demuslim's standing would care to bring up. the community has shown how much it deeply craves such drama. using in game chat for that purpose is ridiculous and unacceptable.
didn't demuslim use those outlets? Did you read his comment in this thread? It seems like there was a miscommunication or something like that.
On June 15 2012 12:13 DeMusliM wrote: Feel i need to talk about this, as Xeris is saying some true statements, and leaving a hell of a lot out.
Yes i spoke to Xeris in person multiple times throughout the week of MLG. Our first encounter was a "hello how you doing" sort of thing. In which, turned into a talk about NASL - (this was prior to any game being played at MLG, infact was maybe the first day i arrived.) - i specifically asked about when my matches would be played, and he said after MLG, and i then responded by saying, i'm travelling around after mlg to gigabyte, after that isn't a problem? To which a response of yes was in place, i smiled alot and asked "are you sure?" multiple times, i actually think 3 times since usually NASL don't change things. As far as i was set, things were sorted.
The final night of MLG after the finals, needless to say everyone got tipsy, i opened up my email the next morning and it said i had a match of the tomorrow. This according to my prior conversation with Xeris, was a complete mistake. I tried contacting him several times with emails. (If anybody remembers my troubles with NASL previously, Season 1 - they excluded me from the league because in my "application video" i had a cast around my elbow, i was more than fit to play, but their reasoning rather than asking me am i fit or able, was just to look at the video and say no.) Obviously this is a sour memory, but more related to the topic at Hand is this:
I contacted NASL in season 2, when i was to play Hero, i messaged NASL saying it was impossible for me to play at a certain date, and i'd like it postponed 2 days later, or when ever fit for hero. - This message DID get through, but the day of the match, i got a defloss and a 200 dollar penalty. I messaged, they responded by saying they had no message what so ever, and it was my fault for not following up with several more messages, and that they contacted EG and they couldn't get cold of me either. 1. It was actually EG who contacted NASL, so that was a pretty gnarley excuse in the first place. 2. - i had evidence of the message going through. After the incident kind of unwinded, i actually wanted the penalty fine lifted, in which i was still walkovered, they said no. I thought it was all a little unjust.
So this time i messaged xeris several more times, after no response, I finally wrote on twitter, slightly embarrassing him i guess to get back to me ASAP. He did so, but only because i went public with it. This obviously is NOT the way things should be done, and for that lack of "sportsmanship" i do apologize, but the amount of shady doings that go on without the public knowing about them is atrocious. So after a few emails back and forth about "you told me prior to MLG things were ok, what went wrong?" with a retort along the lines of "i never said that, we can let you play at the NASL office."
Obviously i was a little mad, and acted a little unjust, i'm just pretty sick of this league shitting on me at every opportunity it possibly can, especially when i know for a fact, and so does he, that said conversation took place.
Xeris strikes again? Lol just trolling.
Shitty situation for DeMuslim. Obviously there was a misunderstanding :[
NASL is the last major tournament for the "entertainment" players. (Mostly foreigners, well known and underperforming). If they want to grow and reach more people, they have to step up the quality of play and the handling of players regarding incidents like this. I really like the improved quality of play in most tournaments due to the better selection of players (MLG11: low level players blocking pool spots for better ones --> MLG12: stacked open bracket with GSL level pool play / GSL: faster "rotation rate" between Code SAB). --> The Entertainment Players (TM) should really consider how they want to present themselves, skill becomes slowly more important than popularity.
On June 16 2012 05:31 gingerfluffmuff wrote: NASL is the last major tournament for the "entertainment" players. (Mostly foreigners, well known and underperforming). If they want to grow and reach more people, they have to step up the quality of play and the handling of players regarding incidents like this. I really like the improved quality of play in most tournaments due to the better selection of players (MLG11: low level players blocking pool spots for better ones --> MLG12: stacked open bracket with GSL level pool play / GSL: faster "rotation rate" between Code SAB). --> The Entertainment Players (TM) should really consider how they want to present themselves, skill becomes slowly more important than popularity.
They're having more turnover in terms of players, 12 players out completely to be replaced by 12 new ones. 4 of those new ones are:
MvP.sC or MvP.Galaxy coL.Killer or MvP.Finale Lemondogs.Forsen or NMxMaSa Empire.Beastyqt or Gosu.IceCream
MajorLeeScrewed wrote on Reddit: I know he's had an issue with depression and everything, but if a non-TL player did this there would be a shit storm.
Nah, a minor instance of possible bm in an insignificant NASL match doesn't draw (or warrant) much attention. Nothing shit storm worthy.
This is the third time he's done it this calendar year.
It's troubling, but it doesn't seem like TL is going to do anything about it, which is a shame. If you show up for a match, there honestly isn't any excuse to quit halfway. Even Idra had the "decency" to 6 pool, which was also immature and unprofessional but at least he played the matches out. Just my thoughts.
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
The same could be said for every other country. For example, the amount of faith you have for HasuObs is really confusing to anyone not from Germany.
I have a lot of faith in Hasu. He just won EPS. What has Nony done to warrant any hype?
Other than winning 3 series in WCS USA
Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?
Yes, he has to win a major tournament. It's just that in my opinion, he doesn't deserve hype and people believing in him, cause he doesn't really practice at all compared to the ones working hard. We can empathize for him having depression, that's about it.
This is one of the most ridiculous viewpoints I have ever seen lol. I'm curious how recent does a pro player need to win a tournament before I am allowed to cheer for and believe in him? Grubby has never won a major tournament like MLG, is it OK with you if I cheer for him when he plays? Or does he not deserve it because he has never won a major tournament? This logic is downright stupid.
MajorLeeScrewed wrote on Reddit: I know he's had an issue with depression and everything, but if a non-TL player did this there would be a shit storm.
Nah, a minor instance of possible bm in an insignificant NASL match doesn't draw (or warrant) much attention. Nothing shit storm worthy.
This is the third time he's done it this calendar year.
It's troubling, but it doesn't seem like TL is going to do anything about it, which is a shame. If you show up for a match, there honestly isn't any excuse to quit halfway. Even Idra had the "decency" to 6 pool, which was also immature and unprofessional but at least he played the matches out. Just my thoughts.
Hopefully he will be gone from NASL after this season an another more dedicated player will take his spot. Personaly im hoping for a hungry unknown NA player
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
The same could be said for every other country. For example, the amount of faith you have for HasuObs is really confusing to anyone not from Germany.
I have a lot of faith in Hasu. He just won EPS. What has Nony done to warrant any hype?
Other than winning 3 series in WCS USA
Does NonY have to win a major tournament to justify people being happy for him that he is playing better and has more confidence in himself? Someone who has a history of fighting with depression getting better and starting to do well is inspiring. He has come a pretty long way since half a year ago. Sorry if cheering for him offended anyone?
Yes, he has to win a major tournament. It's just that in my opinion, he doesn't deserve hype and people believing in him, cause he doesn't really practice at all compared to the ones working hard. We can empathize for him having depression, that's about it.
This is one of the most ridiculous viewpoints I have ever seen lol. I'm curious how recent does a pro player need to win a tournament before I am allowed to cheer for and believe in him? Grubby has never won a major tournament like MLG, is it OK with you if I cheer for him when he plays? Or does he not deserve it because he has never won a major tournament? This logic is downright stupid.
Grubby is, unlike Nony, popular for other things: he is streaming a lot with good commentary, he is casting sometimes, he is just a super friendly guy (not that Nony is not) and, most important of all, he has good results. He is not winning huge tournaments, but he is making it to the point where his matches are streamed and he is winning games (even vs koreans like violet some weeks ago).
You dont have to win tournaments as a progamer, but you have to win games.
Both Nony and Grubby are popular because they actually have won major tournaments. Grubby arguably won a lot more of them, but the point is that his popularity would have been around the level of SaSe's today if not for his WC3 career (likewise for Nony and BW).
On June 14 2012 17:31 sVnteen wrote: funny how every american suddenly has confidence in nony again eventhough he didn't even do well in the (USA ONLY !!!) WCS qualifier
hope hasu wins and he get's a spot in the finals right away but hero is reaaaaaaally good hasu has shown quite good results lately but since pvp is his worst MU I don't think he will win everything is possible in pvp though...
darkforce doing well in the TSL qualifier and I think he has moved away from diablo a bit so he is actually practicing sc2 the entire time so he has quite good chances against crazymoving
for demuslim vs dimaga I'm not sure who will win this one because I haven't seen much of dimaga lately
I saw some sjow games and he played really sloppy but after seeing nonys results in WCS USA I think sjow should have this nonetheless
And yet you have predicted DarkForce to win something, and Hasu to take a game off of Hero (which is more likely than DarkForce to win, imo, but will take some stroke of luck or skill).
I get the feeling your only experience with Darkforce is in this season of NASL.
Very late reply, sorry, but I used to remember him as the Zerg that would somehow win while pooling 2k minerals/gas nearly every game. So now that he's not playing clueless opponents, he's not winning.
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