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On June 12 2012 22:20 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded. this asshole still talking? by his defination both Dongraegu and MMA do not deserve there Gsl Titles. Both were seeded into Code S from placing high at MLG. You have no argument son, just shut up and support a foreigner doing well in GSL.
Apparently this is difficult for you to understand but making the Ro8, making the final or even winning a Code S doesn't mean to deserved to bypass the qualification process which you had FAILED to pass through.
MMA and Polt could both win this Code S season were they in it but they lost in qualifying and therefore do not deserve to be the in the tournament.
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Delighted to see NesTea pull through! Can't say the same for Naniwa though.
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On June 12 2012 22:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:26 farnham wrote:On June 12 2012 22:24 Kiyo. wrote:On June 12 2012 22:19 farnham wrote:On June 12 2012 22:16 Kiyo. wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting? It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now. I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8- Championship Code S level at times. haha good one ... no I'm not saying he could go in and win a Code S whenever he wanted. But with a bit of group/bracket luck he could definitely make the finals. There's a reason top Koreans put him right up there with DRG in interviews. bracket luck existed in open seasons but not anymore Bracket luck definitely still exists. MMA's made three GSL finals and dodged Protoss in all of them except Blizzard Cup where he Thor rushed Naniwa in a best of 1. Nestea won a GSL by playing one Terran player -- the woeful Ensnare.
so were the players nestea or mma faced pushovers?
def not
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Hell yeah Naniwa! Let's go to the final this season! 
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Haters gonna hate. Even though I dont like how Naniwa conducts himself, he won for a reason whether it be skill or luck. Accept fate that he won and be happy that there is diversity in the GSL.
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On June 12 2012 22:29 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
and ofcourse polt
mma, drg, mc and polt
Yeah, let's get those out of the way. Good idea.
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On June 12 2012 22:24 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:20 johnny123 wrote:On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded. this asshole still talking? by his defination both Dongraegu and MMA do not deserve there Gsl Titles. Both were seeded into Code S from placing high at MLG. You have no argument son, just shut up and support a foreigner doing well in GSL. Both DRG and MMA don't deserve a seed. They may be the best, but being the best shouldn't bar you from having to qualify.
They did qualifty though. The qualifications for MMA and DRG were either get thru Code A to up/downs and win up down matches or come in top3 at an MLG event. They forfilled qualification and earned there way into code S.
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On June 12 2012 22:24 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:20 johnny123 wrote:On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded. this asshole still talking? by his defination both Dongraegu and MMA do not deserve there Gsl Titles. Both were seeded into Code S from placing high at MLG. You have no argument son, just shut up and support a foreigner doing well in GSL. Both DRG and MMA don't deserve a seed. They may be the best, but being the best shouldn't bar you from having to qualify.
If things were as you wanted them, you could have a situation where good players abandoned GSL for the chance to win more prize money around the world. That would raise concerns to whether the GSL was truly the most competitive arena.
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Naniwa has to win one more round to be guaranteed a seed in next season of Code S, yes? He hasn't secured a spot yet, right?
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On June 12 2012 22:23 MattBarry wrote:
Naniwa silencing the haters with his play as per usual
Oh if only that was true :/ theres allways gonna be people saying he gets lucky, he played bad or that he didnt deserve it. He could win the GSL 2 times in a row without losing a map and still get comments. Some people just cant resist being a critic without proper arguments. I belief they are called 'politicians' these days
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On June 12 2012 22:31 hefty wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't mind seeds/invites for Dreamhack, Assembly and other lesser tournaments because there's obviously not enough times for players to qualify for everything and still practice and attend LAN's (although all tournaments should ideally have some form of online/offline qualifier or open bracket and I prefer online qualifiers more like MLG do).
But GSL is different, GSL is the premier tournament for the best of the best where winning Code S means far more than winning any other tournament.
Code S should be the one untouchable where only players who've made it through the Code A and ideally Code B (although I can live with foreigner Code B seeds) should be included. What I hate especially is Thorzain's invite, the tournament he won wasn't even comparable to the difficulty of Code B nevermind Code A, he has absolutely no right getting that invite. Idra and Sen's invites were just a total farce.
If as a professional player you can't be bothered to put in the commitment to qualify for the World Cup of Starcraft I don't think that says much of you as a player.
You have the right to believe that code S should not have seeds. It is jusr very subjective and I feel most would disagree. As for "farce invites". Sure, they will occur, but at least the players that are not worthy will get crushed quickly. That also serves the purpose of quelching the voices that overhype them on false grounds. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If as a professional player you can't be bothered to put in the commitment to qualify for the World Cup of Starcraft I don't think that says much of you as a player.
Don't agree here either. A professional player has to think of his career. has to ensure his income. Spending months in Korea for a small shot at the most competitive tourney is rather irrational when that player could have a decent shot at numerous other money prizes around the world. You may argue that if he is a true champ, he would want to try himself out in the most competive arena. Perhabs, but that is only feasible for someone really, really good with a great finansial backing.
Because playing in Korea means you can't play in foreign tournaments right? Look at MC, Huk, MMA, DRG, MKP. They all play every GSL season but have made 10s of tousands from foreign tournaments. Playing in GSL raises your profile as a player too (just look at Sase who had zero results but just losing to random Zergs in Code A meant he got invited to everything over guys like Nerchio and Mana who stayed in EU and actually won stuff) and lets you get into more tournaments, gets you more fans and improves your career prospects.
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On June 12 2012 22:32 DeCoder wrote:
Delighted to see NesTea pull through! Can't say the same for Naniwa though.
Haters gonna hate. Congrats Naniwa!!!!!!!!!!
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On June 12 2012 22:23 dezi wrote:
Couldn't watch last 2 games (Nani vs Creator). Is there a LR?
Don't think so. Quick summary: Game 1, creator opened phoenix but did little damage, nani blink stalkers + robo. Naniwa was able to use blink and his observer's high ground vision to snipe the cyber core and robotics from out of the range of creator's army, sealing the deal.
Game 2, both opened DTs but nani got an expansion, a robotics facility, and a sentry. FF'd creator's DTs out of his main until his observer got out, meanwhile sent 1 DT to creators base, creator didn't notice and so didnt FF it out, GG soon after.
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On June 12 2012 22:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Naniwa has to win one more round to be guaranteed a seed in next season of Code S, yes? He hasn't secured a spot yet, right?
Yea need ro8 for the secure.
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Its a pity that foreigner players must go to Korea to learn play better,but what can we do? If we take football,every Brazilian or Argentinian player dream to come and play in Europe,to make more money and become famous,so I suppose in the future more and more of us are going to live in Korea.I dont like Protoss,neither NAniwa,but will support them always in any tournament vs all this Korean monsters(because of their skill) he he.
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On June 12 2012 22:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Naniwa has to win one more round to be guaranteed a seed in next season of Code S, yes? He hasn't secured a spot yet, right?
ro8 guarantees a spot, so, yes you are correct.
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On June 12 2012 22:32 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:26 farnham wrote:On June 12 2012 22:24 Kiyo. wrote:On June 12 2012 22:19 farnham wrote:On June 12 2012 22:16 Kiyo. wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting? It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now. I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8- Championship Code S level at times. haha good one ... no I'm not saying he could go in and win a Code S whenever he wanted. But with a bit of group/bracket luck he could definitely make the finals. There's a reason top Koreans put him right up there with DRG in interviews. bracket luck existed in open seasons but not anymore Bracket luck definitely still exists. MMA's made three GSL finals and dodged Protoss in all of them except Blizzard Cup where he Thor rushed Naniwa in a best of 1. Nestea won a GSL by playing one Terran player -- the woeful Ensnare. so were the players nestea or mma faced pushovers? def not
Any zerg facing MMA in a TvZ was a pushover for him at that time. In Nestea's undefeated run he did have a fairly easy bracket to get there especially when you compare it with MVP who won next GSL who ran thru every single former champ but Fruitdealer, a couple great TvTers, and Huk who was considered by MVP the best foreigner and protoss in world at that time.
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On June 12 2012 22:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Naniwa has to win one more round to be guaranteed a seed in next season of Code S, yes? He hasn't secured a spot yet, right?
Correct. He's guaranteed next season code A (worst case he loses his Ro16 group, seeded into ro32 or ro24 code a, loses that and then goes into up/downs). If he gets through his Ro16 group, either in 1st or 2nd, hes guaranteed code s for 2012GSL4.
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MMA DRG MC all earned their Code S seeds spot through the MLG-GSL exchange program.
So frankly speaking they legitimately qualified for Code S.
Naniwa case was basically free seeding. I could even pick competitors who achieved more than him in foreign tournaments during 2012.
(Violet,Stephano).
But since he prove himself in GSL Code S till the round of 8, i guess he is legit? Maybe
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On June 12 2012 22:27 KiZZeMiZZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:16 Kiyo. wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting? It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now. I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8-Championship Code S level at times. GSL is a totaly diffrent thing compered to MLG and IPL. You need a diffrent skillset and we will soon se if stephano has it. Stephano plays a very instingktivly and i doubt he will prepair very good. (Sorry for my bad spelling)
To be fair, these days you don't prepare for the GSL; you try to be unpredictable and to show new builds. The optimal way to play the GSL is to play differently from the way you do on ladder, because that's where people get their information about you and try to tailor their builds and styles against. Come in with a different build, a different style, and you waste your opponent's preparation.
Stephano understands this, I think. He's said in a lot of interviews before matches against great players that he has to surprise them. He plays on instinct, which makes him solid against prepared builds that do not hard counter what he's doing. So long as Stephano stays away from playing the same builds he plays all the time, he has a decent shot at doing fine in the GSL.
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