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On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term.
anyone who is in code S - deserved it. It CANNOT be simpler than that
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On June 12 2012 22:05 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:03 Acrofales wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. His point was that Nani wasn't seeded this season: he earned it based on last season's results (Ro8 stays in Code S). Anyway, you're wrong. Gom has clearly changed the rules: they choose 2 people from around the world who they feel deserve to have a shot at Code S. You can cry and say that's unfair, but that is the rules. According to GomTV one of the ones who deserved a shot at Code S was Naniwa (and I agree thoroughly: he even earned it at MLG Providence). He has clearly shown he can hold his own there over the run of 2 seasons, something very few people can do: Sen and IdrA got their asses handed to them. In fact, the only 2 other foreigners who have shown they have what it takes to do decently in the GSL are Huk and Jinro, and both have fallen behind the curve recently (or not so recently for Jinro). Idra did as decently in an older Code S as Naniwa did last season so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. HuK has done so as well, and Jinro has done better.
the level of competition in those seasons was so much worse though, you could have multiple easy groups per season for ro32 and there were lots of players who didn't deserve to be there, I can't say the same anymore.
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On June 12 2012 22:05 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
whos the best foreigner in the world? naniwa or sase? hard one!
great games by nani today!
easily stephano
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On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded.
Seeding makes a lot of sense with all the tournaments going on - Especially seeing how participation in some of them requires a huge effort (ie moving to Korea to play qualifiers).
Without seeds the best players in the world can't be represented at the various big tourneys around the world, meaning the champions of these turnaments could be questioned. I think seeds enable more tourneys to have the "right" winners.
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On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term.
That's according to your rules. According to GSL rules, he damn well deserved the seed.
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On June 12 2012 22:09 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded. Naniwa earned his code S seed in the same way Thorzain did and Violet did which is by doing well at foreign events. Every major foreign event now is basically like playing in Code A. This is also why you noticed a few non code S level players being sent to MLG (MVP sending there 3, Alicia who might be in line for next one). So to say they are just being handed out is wrong, they are being earned albeit in a different format than winning in Ro24 or winning in up/down.
I think that's a good way of looking at it. It's not like winning a super-stacked tournament like MLG is a walk in the park either. And if players think that it *is* considerably easier than the alternatives, then all they need is to convince their teams to fund their flight out to MLG or wherever else so they can take their shot at winning their GSL spot. It's a different way of qualifying, but it's not like you get chosen at random for a GSL Code S seed by merely showing up to the event. You need to practically win the event!
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On June 12 2012 22:13 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. That's according to your rules. According to GSL rules, he damn well deserved the seed.
It's not that uncommon in other sports either. Even Football gives seeds to host nations and everyone just accepts it.
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On June 12 2012 22:11 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:05 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
whos the best foreigner in the world? naniwa or sase? hard one!
great games by nani today! sase ? socke>drg so lol
Uh lol right back atcha.
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On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting?
It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now.
I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8-Championship Code S level at times.
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Nice, Nestea and Naniwa advance, even though we didn't get to see them face off.
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Gratz to Naniwa !! A bit sad for Creator though  But it's cool to see Nestea and Naniwa in RO16 
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On June 12 2012 22:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:11 JohnMatrix wrote:On June 12 2012 22:05 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
whos the best foreigner in the world? naniwa or sase? hard one!
great games by nani today! sase ? socke>drg so lol Uh lol right back atcha.
I think it was a joke. Socke beat DRG this weekend, and they were discussing Sase and Nani, thus making it funny.
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On June 12 2012 22:11 samw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:05 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
whos the best foreigner in the world? naniwa or sase? hard one!
great games by nani today! easily stephano
after naniwas current gsl records...
really?
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So fracking awesome, just got home and turned on the computer to see the results... AND NANIWA WENT THROUGH TO THE NEXT ROUND!!!! F yeah!
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On June 12 2012 22:16 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting? It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now. I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8- Championship Code S level at times.
haha good one
... no
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Greatest cast by Wolf today, so impressed.
Even more impressed by Nesteas good play.
And Naniwa's win is even topping Sase's run in MLG.
Next Dreamhack!!
Edit: And GL tomorrow Thorzin, going to be hard thoug.
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On June 12 2012 22:12 hefty wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded. Seeding makes a lot of sense with all the tournaments going on - Especially seeing how participation in some of them requires a huge effort (ie moving to Korea to play qualifiers). Without seeds the best players in the world can't be represented at the various big tourneys around the world, meaning the champions of these turnaments could be questioned. I think seeds enable more tourneys to have the "right" winners.
nono...Naniwa moved to Korea for the long-term, and was given MULTIPLE seeds, so this logic doesn't apply for him.
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On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded.
this asshole still talking? by his defination both Dongraegu and MMA do not deserve there Gsl Titles. Both were seeded into Code S from placing high at MLG.
You have no argument son, just shut up and support a foreigner doing well in GSL.
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On June 12 2012 22:16 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting? It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now. I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8-Championship Code S level at times.
While I agree that Stephano has showed consistently better results (and more of them) and I'd peg him as the best foreigner (with Naniwa obviously being second), there's simply no way of claiming that Stephano is "Ro8-Championship Code S level" unless he ever actually plays in the GSL. He may win it all, or he may flop. Also, keep in mind that Naniwa focuses almost solely on GSL now (he's turned down multiple foreigner tournaments just so he can practice in Korea).
Also, I think they only played once against each other (TLPD), and Naniwa won 2-0 (the end of last year):
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1614&part=games&vs=1996&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=8&from_day=1&to_year=2012&to_month=6&to_day=10&action=Update
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Wow, I left during the winner's match, come back and see that Naniwa made it out! So clutch! I'm really thrilled that he pulled it off -- you can have a good season, and that's great, but being able to compete at the top consistently is really important imo.
And the other great thing about about Naniwa advancing is all the haters that look silly now :-p It's okay, keep explaining why Naniwa isn't really Code S level, I don't think he really cares right now because he's through to Ro16 for the second season in a row.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2012 19:10 F1rstAssau1t wrote:
Naniwalk running out of luck, he gonna lose next match and bump he is gone.
Then lets hope GOM stop inviting lucky foreigners, if they wana be in the GSL they better qualify from Code B to Code S. On June 12 2012 19:05 F1rstAssau1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:02 michielbrands wrote:On June 12 2012 19:02 F1rstAssau1t wrote:
YEAH!!! GO CREATOR!!!
No more naniwalk and invites plz. he went round of 8? How the f*ck was his invitee unjustified? And how he got to the GSL? With a invite. He just had luck last season, this season he is getting out just watch. 0-1 so far. On June 12 2012 19:11 NoGasfOu wrote:
Naniwa is preparing for what's happening down the road (Code B) and trying to figure out when his 6th bailout seed will come.
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