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XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
June 11 2012 01:44 GMT
#7501
Good night guys, it's been great.

May the SC2 scene keep on growing because I love it.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
SnowK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States245 Posts
June 11 2012 01:44 GMT
#7502
On June 11 2012 10:42 magnaflow wrote:
Great event. motivated to ladder


Me too, then I realize I'll never be pro then go back to depression
"Its like someone went 'What does protoss need.... I know, more ways to be an obnoxious cunt'" - Liquid`Jinro
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
June 11 2012 01:45 GMT
#7503
On June 11 2012 10:42 rutian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:40 Shiori wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:39 rutian wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:33 oZii wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:30 rutian wrote:
that's so much b.s. right there. defend 6 pool and you still lose, 4 gate anyone?


Did you watch the game? Drg was behind after the 6 pool. Alicia's go kill timing was earlier but drg defended with the spins and infestors. Drg jumped ahead when he double expanded to bases 4 and 5.


Yea he was so behind he went onto 5 bases.

Don't bother dude. It's a waste of time arguing after a championship about balance (even though I completely agree with you). Whether you get "it's the map" or "player X is just really good" no Zerg player will ever acknowledge that being able to cheese against standard play and come out even is stupid.


QFT.

That game was as standard as possible for a failed 6 pool. However DRG took a bunch of greedy expansions that Alicia was too late in scouting. Attacking the spines with his collosus push instead of the 4th really hurt him.

Also, don't forget that the Protoss player went pylon > forge > pylon > cannon > cannon > pylon > gateway. That's not exactly quick tech or standard play.

SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Seany
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia114 Posts
June 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#7504
On June 11 2012 10:35 SgtCoDFish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:33 Seany wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:31 XiGua wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:30 rutian wrote:
that's so much b.s. right there. defend 6 pool and you still lose, 4 gate anyone?

6 pool is standard on TD according to some PvZ people.


but 6 pool that does basically no damage into that?

DRG never looked venerable the entire game which seems pretty silly


6 pool is guaranteed to kill at least a pylon and a forge and delay nexus for a long time on maps like TDA, it didn't do "basically no damage"

The reason DRG doesn't look vulnerable is that he's the best damn zerg in the world. He's really really good.


yes but Alicia did pretty much the optimal 6 pool defense considering toss pretty much have to FFE every game... and the 6 pool gives you a low drone count and late 2nd, into 2 base investor, mutas that did not much and still the result looked inevitable

It's not like that was game 1 with the multitasking ect.. could have been pretty much any pro zerg playing that game

could just be the TDA factor making that game look so one-sided tho
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#7505
DRG really earned his weight in gold that series.
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
June 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#7506
Good night, everyone!
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#7507
On June 11 2012 10:44 Flonomenalz wrote:
For the record, 6 pool is fairly standard on TDA.

If you let Toss FFE, your third is always going to be in an awkward location, and that can be exploited by a variety of Toss timings, most predominantly being the +2 blink stalker timing off of the FFE. So you either have to deal with that, or go 2 base vs 2 base Toss, which also kind of sucks. Therefore, you 6p to reset the game and allow yourself to expand faster.

The problem with Alicia's play is he never scouted the double expand, and his third was too slow. He should have killed those rocks with his army before he pushed out. But he did everything else before that perfectly. If he had scouted the 4th (his hallu phoenix died JUST before reaching it) he could have easily killed it, and it would have been 3 base vs 3 base.

Another thing I would like to see in PvZ is faster templar tech against Infestors. So many Protosses wait so long, or go for robo --> colossus instead... which gives Z so much time to respond. Templars force roaches since storm/feedback destroys Ling/Infestor, then you can go robo after forcing roaches.

Calm down with the imbalance whine if you don't even understand what you're watching.

So true. People are far from responding perfectly. Strange if you see how long they are playing SCII.
I had a good night of sleep.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#7508
On June 11 2012 10:43 zidaneshead wrote:
i saw the cutest little tattoo on smix oooooooooo
Slasher's gf has approximately the same one
and that's from before this MLG
so no - it's not a player's signature or something
please someone clarify why Korean women like such type of tattoo? kpop video? movie? fashion?
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
June 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#7509
On June 11 2012 10:44 UnKooL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:43 Nausea wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:42 Irave wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:41 Nausea wrote:
Wasnt there supposed to be a LO3 ?

At the after party, in less than 4 hours.


Ok thanks


Wait is that the LO3 Flash is supposed to come on? The one that's happening tonight?

yes
www.superbeerbrothers.com
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#7510
On June 11 2012 10:44 SnowK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:42 magnaflow wrote:
Great event. motivated to ladder


Me too, then I realize I'll never be pro then go back to depression


Well depression need not be the conclusion you reach. It's ok to realize you can't be pro. But then you should say "Hey, I'm a handsome nerd baller, like many other nerd ballers, and it's ok"
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#7511
Holy macaroni alwas great events.
MLG seems to hype the game so much and it never fails to amaze me that it works out :D
Sorry BW but SC2 is awesome and its here to stay.
F-
rutian
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkey288 Posts
June 11 2012 01:47 GMT
#7512
On June 11 2012 10:44 Flonomenalz wrote:
For the record, 6 pool is fairly standard on TDA.


Stopped reading after this.
Gexs
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia214 Posts
June 11 2012 01:47 GMT
#7513
Only Protosses that can beat DRG is probably HerO and MC. Good try though Alicia.
In GodLife we trust.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 11 2012 01:47 GMT
#7514
On June 11 2012 10:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:44 Flonomenalz wrote:
For the record, 6 pool is fairly standard on TDA.

If you let Toss FFE, your third is always going to be in an awkward location, and that can be exploited by a variety of Toss timings, most predominantly being the +2 blink stalker timing off of the FFE. So you either have to deal with that, or go 2 base vs 2 base Toss, which also kind of sucks. Therefore, you 6p to reset the game and allow yourself to expand faster.

The problem with Alicia's play is he never scouted the double expand, and his third was too slow. He should have killed those rocks with his army before he pushed out. But he did everything else before that perfectly. If he had scouted the 4th (his hallu phoenix died JUST before reaching it) he could have easily killed it, and it would have been 3 base vs 3 base.

Another thing I would like to see in PvZ is faster templar tech against Infestors. So many Protosses wait so long, or go for robo --> colossus instead... which gives Z so much time to respond. Templars force roaches since storm/feedback destroys Ling/Infestor, then you can go robo after forcing roaches.

Calm down with the imbalance whine if you don't even understand what you're watching.

So true. People are far from responding perfectly. Strange if you see how long they are playing SCII.


Yeah 6 pool is completely viable strategy. After all, DRG transitioned perfectly out of it, as you could see.
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
June 11 2012 01:48 GMT
#7515
On June 11 2012 10:47 Gexs wrote:
Only Protosses that can beat DRG is probably HerO and MC. Good try though Alicia.


Socke beat DRG.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 11 2012 01:48 GMT
#7516
On June 11 2012 10:47 rutian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:44 Flonomenalz wrote:
For the record, 6 pool is fairly standard on TDA.


Stopped reading after this.


You probably shouldn't have, since that post is 100% correct.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 11 2012 01:48 GMT
#7517
On June 11 2012 10:48 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:47 Gexs wrote:
Only Protosses that can beat DRG is probably HerO and MC. Good try though Alicia.


Socke beat DRG.


Socke, Stephano, Sase and Vibe. Foreigner power! Great job guys!
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
June 11 2012 01:48 GMT
#7518
On June 11 2012 10:45 Durp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:42 rutian wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:40 Shiori wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:39 rutian wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:33 oZii wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:30 rutian wrote:
that's so much b.s. right there. defend 6 pool and you still lose, 4 gate anyone?


Did you watch the game? Drg was behind after the 6 pool. Alicia's go kill timing was earlier but drg defended with the spins and infestors. Drg jumped ahead when he double expanded to bases 4 and 5.


Yea he was so behind he went onto 5 bases.

Don't bother dude. It's a waste of time arguing after a championship about balance (even though I completely agree with you). Whether you get "it's the map" or "player X is just really good" no Zerg player will ever acknowledge that being able to cheese against standard play and come out even is stupid.


QFT.

That game was as standard as possible for a failed 6 pool. However DRG took a bunch of greedy expansions that Alicia was too late in scouting. Attacking the spines with his collosus push instead of the 4th really hurt him.

Also, don't forget that the Protoss player went pylon > forge > pylon > cannon > cannon > pylon > gateway. That's not exactly quick tech or standard play.



Wouldn't say it failed exactly. Most P's on ladder even know how to defend this, as most Z's know that all they'll get is the pylon and forge. And that's usually the intent, to reset the game back to one base v two. You'll only really kill a P if the open nexus first.
SnowK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States245 Posts
June 11 2012 01:49 GMT
#7519
On June 11 2012 10:46 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:44 SnowK wrote:
On June 11 2012 10:42 magnaflow wrote:
Great event. motivated to ladder


Me too, then I realize I'll never be pro then go back to depression


Well depression need not be the conclusion you reach. It's ok to realize you can't be pro. But then you should say "Hey, I'm a handsome nerd baller, like many other nerd ballers, and it's ok"


I think I'd rather work in the industry then play the game it surrounds. Kind of weird, right?
"Its like someone went 'What does protoss need.... I know, more ways to be an obnoxious cunt'" - Liquid`Jinro
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 01:49:43
June 11 2012 01:49 GMT
#7520
OK MLG, let´s go to the rundown:

1) Great streams
2) Great music
3) Great games
4) KeSPA players
5) Total Biscuit
6) Crowd cam

= Best MLG, yet, PERIOD.
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