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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
June 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#5901
On June 11 2012 08:50 Chenz wrote:
Wait, if DRG wins the first Bo3 in the finals, does that mean that we've had a MLG championship without any extended series at all? Oh DRG, please make that happen.


suppy came back in an extended series
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#5902
On June 11 2012 08:47 Deadeight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 08:43 pt wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:41 GwSC wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:40 pt wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:35 elis wrote:
NA really is talentless

User was warned for this post


first, this is usa. second, usa is one country so don't compare it to europe.


If you compare it population-wise though, we really are pretty bad.


its only equivalent to a few countries. besides, you have to take the culture into account



Well, USA has a population of like 312 million, Sweden has 10 million. And you could make very good arguments for them being on par.

But then UK has 62 million and only two good players so I can't really talk.

Higher population, yes. Also a larger country with events all over it, money being a factor, it is very difficult to break out in America without having a favorable situation. By your logic though, China should have the best players in the world just because they have the largest pop.
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
June 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#5903
Would people from the US really be happy if MLG followed RootCatz desire of having only NA players in NA tournaments ?
YoloStar <3
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
June 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#5904
On June 11 2012 08:50 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 08:47 elis wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:45 GwSC wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:43 pt wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:41 GwSC wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:40 pt wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:35 elis wrote:
NA really is talentless

User was warned for this post


first, this is usa. second, usa is one country so don't compare it to europe.


If you compare it population-wise though, we really are pretty bad.


its only equivalent to a few countries. besides, you have to take the culture into account


US population is over half the size of EU afaik. The culture part is pretty big though.


US population is 30 times the size of sweden, or 6 times of ukraine. pretty funny.

has nothing to do with population. its about culture. progaming has been accepted in europe for a longer time than it has in the US. its just starting to be accepted in the US.


Don't think it's that either. The US's biggest problem is how big it is. You can't have a thriving gaming scene if people live in major cities separated by hundreds if not thousands of miles.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
June 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#5905
Why is the "ultimate" quality stream so washed out? Ultra ends up looking better because the colours are actually accurate :/
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
June 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#5906
On June 11 2012 08:50 zEnVy wrote:
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On June 11 2012 08:48 magnaflow wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:45 zEnVy wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:44 magnaflow wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:41 zEnVy wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:33 Sp00ly wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:32 zEnVy wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:31 Steelavocado wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:31 zEnVy wrote:
Just got back to see Vibe and Daisuki playing.

Da fuq?

WCS finals.


This makes no fucking sense.

Who is Daisuki. If it's NA finals where are all the good NA players?


Firstly is USA finals.
Secondly what good NA players?


Sheth, Illusion, Idra, are all way better than these scrubs.



If that was true one of those 3 players would be playing right now,,,, but they aren't,,,,, so you're wrong


You're right, placing above somebody in one tournament means you're better than them. Absolutely better.



Losing early in every tournament you play in means you're better then the 2 that make it too the finals, you're right



These guys couldn't even get into the tournaments that Illusion, Sheth, and Idra "lose early in".

If I win every Daywalker platinum tournament and Sheth doesn't make it out of pools at MLG I must be better than him.

you know Sheth was in this tournament right?
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SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
June 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#5907
On June 11 2012 08:51 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 08:50 jmbthirteen wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:47 elis wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:45 GwSC wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:43 pt wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:41 GwSC wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:40 pt wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:35 elis wrote:
NA really is talentless

User was warned for this post


first, this is usa. second, usa is one country so don't compare it to europe.


If you compare it population-wise though, we really are pretty bad.


its only equivalent to a few countries. besides, you have to take the culture into account


US population is over half the size of EU afaik. The culture part is pretty big though.


US population is 30 times the size of sweden, or 6 times of ukraine. pretty funny.

has nothing to do with population. its about culture. progaming has been accepted in europe for a longer time than it has in the US. its just starting to be accepted in the US.


pro gaming is still a joke to almost everyone.


Pro gaming is completely rejected in the french culture for example, yet Stephano is doing great
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
June 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#5908
On June 11 2012 08:50 zmansman17 wrote:
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On June 11 2012 08:49 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:48 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Vibe just wins 12,000$ and crowd doesn't give a fuck.

Vibe wins 12k, almost more than Marineking and SaSe combined. Something's wrong.


Vibe is really, really good. I've been lucky enough to beat him a few times on ladder ^_^
This. I have no Idea why everyone is trashing vibe. Sure he didn't play perfectly but he is still amazing.
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Kentredenite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States220 Posts
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5909
On June 11 2012 08:49 SkullZ9 wrote:
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On June 11 2012 08:44 Kkxtrouble wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:41 SkullZ9 wrote:
I don't understand the people saying new american players can not emerge cause we focus our attention to old players like IdrA, Incontrol, ...
If a new player from America has a lot of skill, he will have good games @ international tournaments like MLG, and then he will have some attention, like for exemple Illusion when he defeated some koreans.
A skilled player can find ways to receive recognition

The thing is the teams won't get players that don't bring in viewers.
If these players don't have teams that can sponsor them they can't compete in many tournaments.


But if a player has raw skill and if he trains well (you can not be a contender for GSL without team I know lol, but you can get a decent level just by practising alone, at least that's my opinion), he can place well in some minor tournaments, like Playhem dailies, and if he is consistent, teams will be interested cause he has the potential to improve with good teammates and to bring some results and attention to the team itself
For example, when Millenium acquired Stephano, he was not a very-known player, and he started by playing in every GO4SC2 (a tournament in Europe twice a week), and he did very well so then he competed in european tournament and then international tournaments.

Honestly ROOT is the only major NA team that will pick up players like that... teams like EG and complexity only go after the big names (which means, lately, Koreans) so it really doesn't matter for an up-and-coming NA player even if they consistently get high placings in Playhem...
Chapes
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 23:54:04
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5910
Grats Vibe!! WE WIN!!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain
ElectricWizard
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway200 Posts
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5911
On June 11 2012 08:48 hifriend wrote:
vibe best player in america, it is proven


It is known.
mouzThorZaIN / EmpireviOLet / BboongBboongPRIME / xSixSleep / TSLSymbol
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5912
Wow this commercial is embarrassing knowing how bad quality steelseries usually have ( or at least used to I stopped buying their crap after 2 week break downs)
Darion
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada265 Posts
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5913
On June 11 2012 08:50 Chenz wrote:
Wait, if DRG wins the first Bo3 in the finals, does that mean that we've had a MLG championship without any extended series at all? Oh DRG, please make that happen.


Suppy/Select in champion losers round 1 was an extended series
Kahmoon
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden135 Posts
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5914
GG Vibe, congratulations on your prize and on beating a lot of good players to get this far
Merciless and/or cool glasses!, the players I love: DRG, MC, Leenock, MVP, Polt, Huk, Fin!
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5915
On June 11 2012 08:51 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 08:50 jmbthirteen wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:47 elis wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:45 GwSC wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:43 pt wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:41 GwSC wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:40 pt wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:35 elis wrote:
NA really is talentless

User was warned for this post


first, this is usa. second, usa is one country so don't compare it to europe.


If you compare it population-wise though, we really are pretty bad.


its only equivalent to a few countries. besides, you have to take the culture into account


US population is over half the size of EU afaik. The culture part is pretty big though.


US population is 30 times the size of sweden, or 6 times of ukraine. pretty funny.

has nothing to do with population. its about culture. progaming has been accepted in europe for a longer time than it has in the US. its just starting to be accepted in the US.


pro gaming is still a joke to almost everyone.


Actuallly CNBC recently invested in Esports and that would certainly weaken your case that pro gaming is a joke to almost everyone. Esports is growing and will become more accepted and understood over the next few years.
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5916
On June 11 2012 08:50 zEnVy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 08:48 magnaflow wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:45 zEnVy wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:44 magnaflow wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:41 zEnVy wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:33 Sp00ly wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:32 zEnVy wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:31 Steelavocado wrote:
On June 11 2012 08:31 zEnVy wrote:
Just got back to see Vibe and Daisuki playing.

Da fuq?

WCS finals.


This makes no fucking sense.

Who is Daisuki. If it's NA finals where are all the good NA players?


Firstly is USA finals.
Secondly what good NA players?


Sheth, Illusion, Idra, are all way better than these scrubs.



If that was true one of those 3 players would be playing right now,,,, but they aren't,,,,, so you're wrong


You're right, placing above somebody in one tournament means you're better than them. Absolutely better.



Losing early in every tournament you play in means you're better then the 2 that make it too the finals, you're right



These guys couldn't even get into the tournaments that Illusion, Sheth, and Idra "lose early in".

If I win every Daywalker platinum tournament and Sheth doesn't make it out of pools at MLG I must be better than him.


What kind of logic is that? People are saying that Sheth, Idra, etc actually had a chance to win. If you win every "Daywalker platinum tournament" and Sheth competes in them but never wins over you, then yeah you may be better than him.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
June 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#5917
Root representing! haha
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
June 10 2012 23:53 GMT
#5918
Frank Ribery?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 10 2012 23:53 GMT
#5919
I bet ROOT is happy with this win.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 23:53:21
June 10 2012 23:53 GMT
#5920
And this is America's champion!
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