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On June 11 2012 00:40 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 21:50 Youtakenocandle wrote:On June 10 2012 21:14 nihlon wrote:On June 10 2012 21:06 marcesr wrote:On June 10 2012 21:01 Fyodor wrote:On June 10 2012 20:48 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Looking at these brackets. I wonder, would the viewercounts be higher if Koreans weren't at MLG? Or at least limited? Personally everytime I see barely any western players are left my interest just drops like a brick. I doubt I'm alone in that. In the end I'm sure MLG wants as high as possible viewercounts. After seeing countless hyped foreigners get rocked in the Code A qualifiers I stopped caring about the foreign scene. You have no credibility IMO if you don't make it into Code A or have a winning record versus Code A players that are playing abroad. MLG is all about the koreans IMO. Well Huk (in the HotBig interview) and others pointed out that: more foreigners left -> more viewers; more koreans -> higher level competition. To an extent. I doubt an MLG only consistent of foreigners would have more viewers than a good mix of the best Koreans and a bunch of the best foreigners. I don't agree there. Western players getting schooled by noname korean X isn't much fun. Purist, top level play fans can just watch GSL. Imagine the world of tennis being dominated by solely Americans, you can bet your ass that Europeans and the like would lose interest. That's how SC2 is right now. Another example would be the Champions League in football. Only european teams. Maybe a Brazillian team is a lot better, but they simply don't get invited since it's regional. Idra, while a mediocre player and a douche had to fight his way through countless unbroadcasted matches because the pools are 95% Korean. I can assure you more people would be watching if Idra was playing on the main stage. The best scenario would be that there is a limit of the amount of Koreans invited. And I'm purely talking from a viewers perspective here. If it's fair is a whole other story. Lol americans dominate Tennis ? haha
Haha Americans certainly do not dominate Tennis. I suppose Azarenka on the women's side. But one top player is not dominating.
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On June 11 2012 00:43 Inflicted_ wrote:
I wonder how far MC will go on the last day. Curious to see if he'll just enter beast-mode - could be an interesting path for me (Monster -> Alicia -> Symbol -> PuMa)
I think MC will win it. He's on a roll.
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On June 10 2012 23:45 mechavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 23:27 maartendq wrote:
I'm watching some of Flash' matches, and I'm quite impressed with his play. He really effortlessly multitasks. This guy -predictably- has incredible potential. + Show Spoiler +
Watching the first match vs Bisu the way he microed back different clumps of troops was pretty impressive usually the bio ball moves as one unless people are spreading vs banes but to avoid the storms he had three separate groups that he was still kiting the zealots with.
(at one point he had two groups kiting back while the third group at the far left was pushing forward) That is some serious micro
Serious micro, but not new.
MKP, Byun and Jjakji has been doing it for a few months now.
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On June 11 2012 00:40 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 21:50 Youtakenocandle wrote:On June 10 2012 21:14 nihlon wrote:On June 10 2012 21:06 marcesr wrote:On June 10 2012 21:01 Fyodor wrote:On June 10 2012 20:48 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Looking at these brackets. I wonder, would the viewercounts be higher if Koreans weren't at MLG? Or at least limited? Personally everytime I see barely any western players are left my interest just drops like a brick. I doubt I'm alone in that. In the end I'm sure MLG wants as high as possible viewercounts. After seeing countless hyped foreigners get rocked in the Code A qualifiers I stopped caring about the foreign scene. You have no credibility IMO if you don't make it into Code A or have a winning record versus Code A players that are playing abroad. MLG is all about the koreans IMO. Well Huk (in the HotBig interview) and others pointed out that: more foreigners left -> more viewers; more koreans -> higher level competition. To an extent. I doubt an MLG only consistent of foreigners would have more viewers than a good mix of the best Koreans and a bunch of the best foreigners. I don't agree there. Western players getting schooled by noname korean X isn't much fun. Purist, top level play fans can just watch GSL. Imagine the world of tennis being dominated by solely Americans, you can bet your ass that Europeans and the like would lose interest. That's how SC2 is right now. Another example would be the Champions League in football. Only european teams. Maybe a Brazillian team is a lot better, but they simply don't get invited since it's regional. Idra, while a mediocre player and a douche had to fight his way through countless unbroadcasted matches because the pools are 95% Korean. I can assure you more people would be watching if Idra was playing on the main stage. The best scenario would be that there is a limit of the amount of Koreans invited. And I'm purely talking from a viewers perspective here. If it's fair is a whole other story. Lol americans dominate Tennis ? haha
He said "Imagine the world of tennis being dominated by solely Americans, you can bet your ass that Europeans and the like would lose interest".
So that wasn't the fact just example.
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Hi fellas. Can we talk about how amazing SC2 competition is becoming? I'm all giggly.
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We seriously need a day 3 thread up, with times and such!
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Have people noted Monster's crazy run so far? Insane play.
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On June 11 2012 00:50 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 00:43 Inflicted_ wrote:
I wonder how far MC will go on the last day. Curious to see if he'll just enter beast-mode - could be an interesting path for me (Monster -> Alicia -> Symbol -> PuMa) I think MC will win it. He's on a roll.
His pool results are a bit iffy, having only lost to Oz (MC's PvP >_>) and DongRaeGu. Weren't that many other good players in his pool group that allowed him to prove himself, I guess.
Also, it seems like ZvP is viOLet's weakest matchup by far.
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On June 11 2012 00:50 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 23:45 mechavoc wrote:On June 10 2012 23:27 maartendq wrote:
I'm watching some of Flash' matches, and I'm quite impressed with his play. He really effortlessly multitasks. This guy -predictably- has incredible potential. + Show Spoiler +
Watching the first match vs Bisu the way he microed back different clumps of troops was pretty impressive usually the bio ball moves as one unless people are spreading vs banes but to avoid the storms he had three separate groups that he was still kiting the zealots with.
(at one point he had two groups kiting back while the third group at the far left was pushing forward) That is some serious micro Serious micro, but not new. MKP, Byun and Jjakji has been doing it for a few months now.
What if I told you MKP, Byun, and Jjakji have been playing for 2 years now. Flash has played for 3 months
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On June 11 2012 00:43 Inflicted_ wrote:
I wonder how far MC will go on the last day. Curious to see if he'll just enter beast-mode - could be an interesting path for me (Monster -> Alicia -> Symbol -> PuMa)
If he goes bossmode he will pull through no matter what. If he goes flopmode he won't make it.
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On June 11 2012 00:49 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 00:40 Boonbag wrote:On June 10 2012 21:50 Youtakenocandle wrote:On June 10 2012 21:14 nihlon wrote:On June 10 2012 21:06 marcesr wrote:On June 10 2012 21:01 Fyodor wrote:On June 10 2012 20:48 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Looking at these brackets. I wonder, would the viewercounts be higher if Koreans weren't at MLG? Or at least limited? Personally everytime I see barely any western players are left my interest just drops like a brick. I doubt I'm alone in that. In the end I'm sure MLG wants as high as possible viewercounts. After seeing countless hyped foreigners get rocked in the Code A qualifiers I stopped caring about the foreign scene. You have no credibility IMO if you don't make it into Code A or have a winning record versus Code A players that are playing abroad. MLG is all about the koreans IMO. Well Huk (in the HotBig interview) and others pointed out that: more foreigners left -> more viewers; more koreans -> higher level competition. To an extent. I doubt an MLG only consistent of foreigners would have more viewers than a good mix of the best Koreans and a bunch of the best foreigners. I don't agree there. Western players getting schooled by noname korean X isn't much fun. Purist, top level play fans can just watch GSL. Imagine the world of tennis being dominated by solely Americans, you can bet your ass that Europeans and the like would lose interest. That's how SC2 is right now. Another example would be the Champions League in football. Only european teams. Maybe a Brazillian team is a lot better, but they simply don't get invited since it's regional. Idra, while a mediocre player and a douche had to fight his way through countless unbroadcasted matches because the pools are 95% Korean. I can assure you more people would be watching if Idra was playing on the main stage. The best scenario would be that there is a limit of the amount of Koreans invited. And I'm purely talking from a viewers perspective here. If it's fair is a whole other story. Lol americans dominate Tennis ? haha Haha Americans certainly do not dominate Tennis. I suppose Azarenka on the women's side. But one top player is not dominating.
Azarenka is Belarusian...
No one dominates the WTA though, ladies tennis fell off a long way in recent years.
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On June 11 2012 00:58 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 00:50 antilyon wrote:On June 10 2012 23:45 mechavoc wrote:On June 10 2012 23:27 maartendq wrote:
I'm watching some of Flash' matches, and I'm quite impressed with his play. He really effortlessly multitasks. This guy -predictably- has incredible potential. + Show Spoiler +
Watching the first match vs Bisu the way he microed back different clumps of troops was pretty impressive usually the bio ball moves as one unless people are spreading vs banes but to avoid the storms he had three separate groups that he was still kiting the zealots with.
(at one point he had two groups kiting back while the third group at the far left was pushing forward) That is some serious micro Serious micro, but not new. MKP, Byun and Jjakji has been doing it for a few months now. What if I told you MKP, Byun, and Jjakji have been playing for 2 years now. Flash has played for 3 months
In all honesty, I havn't seen Byun or Jjakji dodge storms the way Flash did yesterday. Watched his POV, dropped jaw.
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On June 11 2012 01:05 arQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 00:58 Sroobz wrote:On June 11 2012 00:50 antilyon wrote:On June 10 2012 23:45 mechavoc wrote:On June 10 2012 23:27 maartendq wrote:
I'm watching some of Flash' matches, and I'm quite impressed with his play. He really effortlessly multitasks. This guy -predictably- has incredible potential. + Show Spoiler +
Watching the first match vs Bisu the way he microed back different clumps of troops was pretty impressive usually the bio ball moves as one unless people are spreading vs banes but to avoid the storms he had three separate groups that he was still kiting the zealots with.
(at one point he had two groups kiting back while the third group at the far left was pushing forward) That is some serious micro Serious micro, but not new. MKP, Byun and Jjakji has been doing it for a few months now. What if I told you MKP, Byun, and Jjakji have been playing for 2 years now. Flash has played for 3 months In all honesty, I havn't seen Byun or Jjakji dodge storms the way Flash did yesterday. Watched his POV, dropped jaw.
Flash is Neo.
Dodge this.
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On June 11 2012 00:59 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 00:49 zmansman17 wrote:On June 11 2012 00:40 Boonbag wrote:On June 10 2012 21:50 Youtakenocandle wrote:On June 10 2012 21:14 nihlon wrote:On June 10 2012 21:06 marcesr wrote:On June 10 2012 21:01 Fyodor wrote:On June 10 2012 20:48 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Looking at these brackets. I wonder, would the viewercounts be higher if Koreans weren't at MLG? Or at least limited? Personally everytime I see barely any western players are left my interest just drops like a brick. I doubt I'm alone in that. In the end I'm sure MLG wants as high as possible viewercounts. After seeing countless hyped foreigners get rocked in the Code A qualifiers I stopped caring about the foreign scene. You have no credibility IMO if you don't make it into Code A or have a winning record versus Code A players that are playing abroad. MLG is all about the koreans IMO. Well Huk (in the HotBig interview) and others pointed out that: more foreigners left -> more viewers; more koreans -> higher level competition. To an extent. I doubt an MLG only consistent of foreigners would have more viewers than a good mix of the best Koreans and a bunch of the best foreigners. I don't agree there. Western players getting schooled by noname korean X isn't much fun. Purist, top level play fans can just watch GSL. Imagine the world of tennis being dominated by solely Americans, you can bet your ass that Europeans and the like would lose interest. That's how SC2 is right now. Another example would be the Champions League in football. Only european teams. Maybe a Brazillian team is a lot better, but they simply don't get invited since it's regional. Idra, while a mediocre player and a douche had to fight his way through countless unbroadcasted matches because the pools are 95% Korean. I can assure you more people would be watching if Idra was playing on the main stage. The best scenario would be that there is a limit of the amount of Koreans invited. And I'm purely talking from a viewers perspective here. If it's fair is a whole other story. Lol americans dominate Tennis ? haha Haha Americans certainly do not dominate Tennis. I suppose Azarenka on the women's side. But one top player is not dominating. Azarenka is Belarusian... No one dominates the WTA though, ladies tennis fell off a long way in recent years.
Nevermind. For some reason I thought she was American. I guess I am a Tennis noob even though I played college tennis :D
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Hi! Recommend me some casted games other than MKP Stephano? Thanks (:
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On June 11 2012 01:05 arQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 00:58 Sroobz wrote:On June 11 2012 00:50 antilyon wrote:On June 10 2012 23:45 mechavoc wrote:On June 10 2012 23:27 maartendq wrote:
I'm watching some of Flash' matches, and I'm quite impressed with his play. He really effortlessly multitasks. This guy -predictably- has incredible potential. + Show Spoiler +
Watching the first match vs Bisu the way he microed back different clumps of troops was pretty impressive usually the bio ball moves as one unless people are spreading vs banes but to avoid the storms he had three separate groups that he was still kiting the zealots with.
(at one point he had two groups kiting back while the third group at the far left was pushing forward) That is some serious micro Serious micro, but not new. MKP, Byun and Jjakji has been doing it for a few months now. What if I told you MKP, Byun, and Jjakji have been playing for 2 years now. Flash has played for 3 months In all honesty, I havn't seen Byun or Jjakji dodge storms the way Flash did yesterday. Watched his POV, dropped jaw.
MKP micro is still more impressive, but MKP has the best micro in all of SC2 without contest.
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Just watched MarineKing vs Stephano. Game 2 showed exactly why I despise TvZ.
Thank god he won the series anyway~
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On June 11 2012 01:14 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 01:05 arQ wrote:On June 11 2012 00:58 Sroobz wrote:On June 11 2012 00:50 antilyon wrote:On June 10 2012 23:45 mechavoc wrote:On June 10 2012 23:27 maartendq wrote:
I'm watching some of Flash' matches, and I'm quite impressed with his play. He really effortlessly multitasks. This guy -predictably- has incredible potential. + Show Spoiler +
Watching the first match vs Bisu the way he microed back different clumps of troops was pretty impressive usually the bio ball moves as one unless people are spreading vs banes but to avoid the storms he had three separate groups that he was still kiting the zealots with.
(at one point he had two groups kiting back while the third group at the far left was pushing forward) That is some serious micro Serious micro, but not new. MKP, Byun and Jjakji has been doing it for a few months now. What if I told you MKP, Byun, and Jjakji have been playing for 2 years now. Flash has played for 3 months In all honesty, I havn't seen Byun or Jjakji dodge storms the way Flash did yesterday. Watched his POV, dropped jaw. MKP micro is still more impressive, but MKP has the best micro in all of SC2 without contest.
Yeah, when MKP is playing at his usual standard his micro is just incomparable.
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On June 11 2012 01:14 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 01:05 arQ wrote:On June 11 2012 00:58 Sroobz wrote:On June 11 2012 00:50 antilyon wrote:On June 10 2012 23:45 mechavoc wrote:On June 10 2012 23:27 maartendq wrote:
I'm watching some of Flash' matches, and I'm quite impressed with his play. He really effortlessly multitasks. This guy -predictably- has incredible potential. + Show Spoiler +
Watching the first match vs Bisu the way he microed back different clumps of troops was pretty impressive usually the bio ball moves as one unless people are spreading vs banes but to avoid the storms he had three separate groups that he was still kiting the zealots with.
(at one point he had two groups kiting back while the third group at the far left was pushing forward) That is some serious micro Serious micro, but not new. MKP, Byun and Jjakji has been doing it for a few months now. What if I told you MKP, Byun, and Jjakji have been playing for 2 years now. Flash has played for 3 months In all honesty, I havn't seen Byun or Jjakji dodge storms the way Flash did yesterday. Watched his POV, dropped jaw. MKP micro is still more impressive, but MKP has the best micro in all of SC2 without contest.
Completely agree.
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On June 11 2012 01:14 noddy wrote:
Just watched MarineKing vs Stephano. Game 2 showed exactly why I despise TvZ.
Thank god he won the series anyway~
I can't believe he won this. Any of us lesser mortals would have fallen long ago.
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