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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
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On June 04 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote: Discussion still going on for this? Why couldn't it have been this lively for the rest of the season? Because ZeNEX was doing well T_T | ||
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shadymmj
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On June 04 2012 23:09 InMotion wrote: Compared to top koreans? No, he really isn't. Demuslim is one of those players that still live off his early accomplishements in sc2. It's been well over a year since he did something remotely impressive and I don't understand how people still call him one of the top terrans. | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
He is #1 on NA ladder. Look at his damn record be4 you say anything. DeMusliM is better then you could ever be, and a lot better than most people think. The same is w/ IdrA btw. He has just been having a bad streak of tournament results. Just ask Beastyqt, he said that he doesn't know why people flame IdrA, he said that he thinks IdrA is a great player and he practices with him a lot. Now don't go trying to flame Beastyqt, he's been workin his ass off. Look at his MCSL results. | ||
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InMotion
Canada110 Posts
On June 05 2012 00:26 NOOBALOPSE wrote: SC2 is not about what you accomplish. In fact, tournaments RARELY represent your true skill. Often, especially in the GSL, people prepare certain builds for certain maps for certain people BECAUSE they know how they play, etc.etc. True skill is in practice and in practice DeMusliM is better than almost everybody He is #1 on NA ladder. Look at his damn record be4 you say anything. DeMusliM is better then you could ever be, and a lot better than most people think. The same is w/ IdrA btw. He has just been having a bad streak of tournament results. Just ask Beastyqt, he said that he doesn't know why people flame IdrA, he said that he thinks IdrA is a great player and he practices with him a lot. Now don't go trying to flame Beastyqt, he's been workin his ass off. Look at his MCSL results. Oh noes.. he's better than me! What a beast! Good argument. DeMusliM hasn't done a single thing in an entire year. He took a series off Nestea back in MLG winter arena.. that's about the last thing he's done. And nobody cared because Nestea has not been relevant since then anyway. Nobody is arguing that he's not a top NA player.. but unfortunately that doesn't mean shit all. | ||
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eMGmoG
Switzerland244 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 05 2012 00:26 NOOBALOPSE wrote: SC2 is not about what you accomplish. In fact, tournaments RARELY represent your true skill. Often, especially in the GSL, people prepare certain builds for certain maps for certain people BECAUSE they know how they play, etc.etc. True skill is in practice and in practice DeMusliM is better than almost everybody He is #1 on NA ladder. Look at his damn record be4 you say anything. DeMusliM is better then you could ever be, and a lot better than most people think. The same is w/ IdrA btw. He has just been having a bad streak of tournament results. Just ask Beastyqt, he said that he doesn't know why people flame IdrA, he said that he thinks IdrA is a great player and he practices with him a lot. Now don't go trying to flame Beastyqt, he's been workin his ass off. Look at his MCSL results. I'd say the complete opposite. Practice means nothing. It matters how you can perform under pressure, in a tournament setting. That's what matters. If you can't win in tournaments you don't have the skill. | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On June 05 2012 00:54 FabledIntegral wrote: I'd say the complete opposite. Practice means nothing. It matters how you can perform under pressure, in a tournament setting. That's what matters. If you can't win in tournaments you don't have the skill. Saying practice means nothing is pretty farfetched. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On June 05 2012 00:26 NOOBALOPSE wrote: SC2 is not about what you accomplish. In fact, tournaments RARELY represent your true skill. Often, especially in the GSL, people prepare certain builds for certain maps for certain people BECAUSE they know how they play, etc.etc. True skill is in practice and in practice DeMusliM is better than almost everybody He is #1 on NA ladder. Look at his damn record be4 you say anything. DeMusliM is better then you could ever be, and a lot better than most people think. The same is w/ IdrA btw. He has just been having a bad streak of tournament results. Just ask Beastyqt, he said that he doesn't know why people flame IdrA, he said that he thinks IdrA is a great player and he practices with him a lot. Now don't go trying to flame Beastyqt, he's been workin his ass off. Look at his MCSL results. Wut? Tournaments exist for a reason. It's always a measure of how good you are as a professional. Ladder is nothing but a series of bo1 against other players, most of them are not pro. Practice games are not a measure of your success either, you only play against your teammates, whose styles you understand too well already. That's why people usually seek out other teams' players to practice with, or just ladder. There's a reason why people usually don't care about win or lose on ladder and practice, because they're not that important. Can you actually say that people on top of ladder is actually more skill than other people? Good at practice and ladder means that you have a potential to be good at tournaments, where you actually get paid for winning, and which is the whole reasons sponsors pay you salary in the first place. But in the end of the day, posting good/decent results in tournaments is what defines a good player. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:02 Phobbers wrote: Saying practice means nothing is pretty farfetched. In terms of who's a top player, I'd say practice has a very minimal impact. How often have you heard of practice beasts in BW that never accomplished anything? There's a ton. Who do we recognize as the best? Those who had the top tournament results and performed best in events like Proleague. | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:32 FabledIntegral wrote: In terms of who's a top player, I'd say practice has a very minimal impact. How often have you heard of practice beasts in BW that never accomplished anything? There's a ton. Who do we recognize as the best? Those who had the top tournament results and performed best in events like Proleague. I agree with you on the topic that practice isn't everything, you need to be able to handle the pressure that comes from playing on a big stage and being able to make the proper choices in that scenario. But you can't just derp your way to 1st place time and time again without practice. Hell a grand example of that is Moon, the man would practice over 14hrs a day to maintain his skills. Edit; Also you state that we only keep eye on those who perform well in the individual and team leagues, of course that is true, but do you really think those people got there without practice? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:43 Phobbers wrote: I agree with you on the topic that practice isn't everything, you need to be able to handle the pressure that comes from playing on a big stage and being able to make the proper choices in that scenario. But you can't just derp your way to 1st place time and time again without practice. Hell a grand example of that is Moon, the man would practice over 14hrs a day to maintain his skills. Edit; Also you state that we only keep eye on those who perform well in the individual and team leagues, of course that is true, but do you really think those people got there without practice? Of course practice gets you there. But what matters itself is your results, not your practice, in terms of judging how successful a player is. If you dominate everyone in practice but get knocked out round 1 every tournament, then it's useless. Some people perform better in tournament settings, some perform worse. | ||
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noddy
United Kingdom927 Posts
On June 04 2012 10:25 opterown wrote: it wasn't really a teaaammm game though to be honest. lol. Other members on Prime have shown just as well that they're better than pretty much anyone on ST. It's strange people are saying ST is the strongest team. I'd take MKP/Maru/Creator/BBBB over Bomber/Curious/Parting/Squirtle any day. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:02 Phobbers wrote: Saying practice means nothing is pretty farfetched. It only matter insofar as it affects your results in a competitive setting. Starcraft is a competitive game, and ultimately what matters is how you perform in a competitive setting. Practice partners who are skilled but don't show results have something holding them back. They have potential. But they are not yet relevant. | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
And so yeah, practice performances only matter, if the player can turn them into tournament performances. Otherwise, we viewers just don't know if the good practice performance was skill or his opponents being bad/playing not as hard as possible. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:49 noddy wrote: Other members on Prime have shown just as well that they're better than pretty much anyone on ST. It's strange people are saying ST is the strongest team. I'd take MKP/Maru/Creator/BBBB over Bomber/Curious/Parting/Squirtle any day. Yep, people seems to forget Prime has other strong members, and has always won like in the OP showing. In 2012, Prime has gone 5-4, 5-2, 6-1, and now 6-0 against ST. They only lost 5-6 against ST once. Although admittedly, in Prime vs ST in 2012, MKP got field 4 times and went 14-3 against ST lol. ST must have hated MKP so much. | ||
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Slangen
Sweden1166 Posts
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