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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 23 2012 11:39 GMT
#761
(Z)ZeNEX_Suhosin v (T)SlayerSRyung

SuHoSin: 2W 1L
Ryung: 1W 1L


Map:
Antiga Shipyard

5.00
(Z)ZeNEX_Suhosin is spawning as the orange Zerg in the 5 o'clock position
(T)SlayerSRyung is spawning as the teal Terran in the 11 o'clock position

1 rax expand for Ryung.
15 hatch into Pool for SuHo.

Goddamntruck outside honking its horn scaring the shit out of me.

Double gas for Ryung.
Bunkering the natural for Ryung.

Single gas taken by SuHo.
Factory down for Ryung, Next to a Barracks getting Reactor - Hellions.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 11:39:34
May 23 2012 11:39 GMT
#762
On May 23 2012 20:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:35 Remi wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:26 michielbrands wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:22 Remi wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:04 Absentia wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:01 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 23 2012 19:57 Absentia wrote:
Also Ryung didn't have anywhere near enough vikings for the colossus count, (even more so considering he was behind in upgrades).


How are you supposed to be ahead in upgrades vs protoss? Unless he opts not to get them or you luckily snipe his forge ;\ Terran can only hope to be even or maybe ahead on the first up or so.


You're not so you have to get more vikings instead.
Seems like protoss can't win a single game without people claiming it was imbalance. Ryung was facing, (I believe) a 5 colossus army with something like 11 vikings...that's just not enough.

You suggest terrans have to build 3 vikings for every colossus then? Do you realize, that's 450 min and 225 gas worth of units to counter 300 min/200 gas of units, and even then terrans are in disadvantage, because while vikings are killing colossi, they are killing terran ground army.


How would that not be fair? 450/225 (3 vikings) > 300/200 (1 colossus) < 300/150 (2 vikings), that's just comon sense? actually 1 viking already owns a colosus.... it just takes longer and he probably gets taken down too fast by stalkers

I though vikings was colossi counter, only counter terrans really has, and counter by definition must be cost effective against units it counter.

10000000 colossi lose against 1 viking. Problem?


In a world where only Vikings and Colossi exist there wouldn't be a problem. Considering that Vikings are totally useless against anything that isn't a Colossus ( or Air units that no Toss build anyway ) there kinda is one. The groundform just sucks balls.
ActionpointTV
Profile Joined May 2011
60 Posts
May 23 2012 11:39 GMT
#763
On May 23 2012 20:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:35 Remi wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:26 michielbrands wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:22 Remi wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:04 Absentia wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:01 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 23 2012 19:57 Absentia wrote:
Also Ryung didn't have anywhere near enough vikings for the colossus count, (even more so considering he was behind in upgrades).


How are you supposed to be ahead in upgrades vs protoss? Unless he opts not to get them or you luckily snipe his forge ;\ Terran can only hope to be even or maybe ahead on the first up or so.


You're not so you have to get more vikings instead.
Seems like protoss can't win a single game without people claiming it was imbalance. Ryung was facing, (I believe) a 5 colossus army with something like 11 vikings...that's just not enough.

You suggest terrans have to build 3 vikings for every colossus then? Do you realize, that's 450 min and 225 gas worth of units to counter 300 min/200 gas of units, and even then terrans are in disadvantage, because while vikings are killing colossi, they are killing terran ground army.


How would that not be fair? 450/225 (3 vikings) > 300/200 (1 colossus) < 300/150 (2 vikings), that's just comon sense? actually 1 viking already owns a colosus.... it just takes longer and he probably gets taken down too fast by stalkers

I though vikings was colossi counter, only counter terrans really has, and counter by definition must be cost effective against units it counter.

10000000 colossi lose against 1 viking. Problem?

You can't be serious, and if you resort to ridicule, I assume, you have no more arguments on the matter.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
May 23 2012 11:39 GMT
#764
On May 23 2012 20:36 tomatriedes wrote:
During sad zealot days protoss won pretty much nothing; during angry marine days protoss still win pretty much nothing. Guess some things never change.


Things will never change in live threads I fear. There will always be complaining. From every angle.

Also. If Suho beats Ryung, Jjakji beats Vines and Ryung beats Polt, then Vines, Polt and Ryung will force a tie break at 2-2 as they are 1-1 against one another individually.
Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
May 23 2012 11:40 GMT
#765
What happens when Vines, Polt and Line win all their next matches ? Then we got a 3 way tie for the top of the group.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
May 23 2012 11:40 GMT
#766
I think Khaldor is wrong, if Ryung wins this, then jjakji and then Ryung, there is 3way tie between Vines, Suhosin and Polt.
Rellit
Profile Joined March 2012
Singapore92 Posts
May 23 2012 11:40 GMT
#767
wtf line? this is so disappointing from him
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
May 23 2012 11:40 GMT
#768
On May 23 2012 20:39 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:36 Koshi wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:35 Remi wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:26 michielbrands wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:22 Remi wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:04 Absentia wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:01 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 23 2012 19:57 Absentia wrote:
Also Ryung didn't have anywhere near enough vikings for the colossus count, (even more so considering he was behind in upgrades).


How are you supposed to be ahead in upgrades vs protoss? Unless he opts not to get them or you luckily snipe his forge ;\ Terran can only hope to be even or maybe ahead on the first up or so.


You're not so you have to get more vikings instead.
Seems like protoss can't win a single game without people claiming it was imbalance. Ryung was facing, (I believe) a 5 colossus army with something like 11 vikings...that's just not enough.

You suggest terrans have to build 3 vikings for every colossus then? Do you realize, that's 450 min and 225 gas worth of units to counter 300 min/200 gas of units, and even then terrans are in disadvantage, because while vikings are killing colossi, they are killing terran ground army.


How would that not be fair? 450/225 (3 vikings) > 300/200 (1 colossus) < 300/150 (2 vikings), that's just comon sense? actually 1 viking already owns a colosus.... it just takes longer and he probably gets taken down too fast by stalkers

I though vikings was colossi counter, only counter terrans really has, and counter by definition must be cost effective against units it counter.

10000000 colossi lose against 1 viking. Problem?


In a world where only Vikings and Colossi exist there wouldn't be a problem. Considering that Vikings are totally useless against anything that isn't a Colossus ( or Air units that no Toss build anyway ) there kinda is one. The groundform just sucks balls.

If you have leftover vikings, save them, scan and snipe the obs (the only thing they can shoot in a toss ball) then let your cloaked ghosts go to town
Yhamm is the god of predictions
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
May 23 2012 11:40 GMT
#769
On May 23 2012 20:36 tomatriedes wrote:
During sad zealot days protoss won pretty much nothing; during angry marine days protoss still win pretty much nothing. Guess some things never change.

You know you're not better than the balance whiners with your provocation in every single LR thread.
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
Chill Penguin
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia756 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 11:41:31
May 23 2012 11:40 GMT
#770
Cheering on Suhosin purely because I'd love to see struggling Zenex have some success.

3 roach bane aggressions in a row. wow.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 23 2012 11:41 GMT
#771
On May 23 2012 20:40 Nocteo wrote:
What happens when Vines, Polt and Line win all their next matches ? Then we got a 3 way tie for the top of the group.


Then they do a tiebreak until a player goes 0-2.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
kiekaboe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 11:42:49
May 23 2012 11:41 GMT
#772
On May 23 2012 20:40 Nocteo wrote:
What happens when Vines, Polt and Line win all their next matches ? Then we got a 3 way tie for the top of the group.


yes and if Line loses, Polt Ryung and VINES win, we would have three-way tie for second place
http://aligulac.com check it out for stats :)
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 23 2012 11:42 GMT
#773
Ryung so lucky, not only does he get a much easier map than the other Terrans for TvZ but Line does the exact same build as in his other 2 TvZ's too lol
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
May 23 2012 11:42 GMT
#774
On May 23 2012 20:41 kiekaboe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:40 Nocteo wrote:
What happens when Vines, Polt and Line win all their next matches ? Then we got a 3 way tie for the top of the group.


yes and if Line loses, Polt and VINES win, we would have three-way tie for second place


no, like I wrote, Ryung has to win then (vs Polt), because Vines would win a 3way tie vs Ryung+Line
Rellit
Profile Joined March 2012
Singapore92 Posts
May 23 2012 11:42 GMT
#775
On May 23 2012 20:40 Chill Penguin wrote:
Cheering on Suhosin purely because I'd love to see struggling Zenex have some success.

3 roach bane aggressions in a row. wow.


hes not gonna get any fans by doing this
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
May 23 2012 11:42 GMT
#776
On May 23 2012 20:37 TeeTS wrote:
Isn't it funny? Everyone allways wants a balanced racialdistribution in the GSL. But when it comes down to LR and actual players most ppl. are allways rooting for the terran players. Some kind of schizophrenic isn't it?


I don't want balanced racial distribution in the GSL. I want Blizzard to make the game balanced and let the better players take over.

As it is now, they're balancing around individual skill levels and it's ruining the game.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 23 2012 11:43 GMT
#777
On May 23 2012 20:39 KristofferAG wrote:
(Z)ZeNEX_Suhosin v (T)SlayerSRyung

SuHoSin: 2W 1L
Ryung: 1W 1L


Map:
Antiga Shipyard

5.00
(Z)ZeNEX_Suhosin is spawning as the orange Zerg in the 5 o'clock position
(T)SlayerSRyung is spawning as the teal Terran in the 11 o'clock position

1 rax expand for Ryung.
15 hatch into Pool for SuHo.

Goddamntruck outside honking its horn scaring the shit out of me.

Double gas for Ryung.
Bunkering the natural for Ryung.

Single gas taken by SuHo.
Factory down for Ryung, Next to a Barracks getting Reactor - Hellions.

10.00
Roach Warren coming in for SuHo as he goes for a third.
Banshee on the way for Ryung.

Metabolic Boost on the way for SuHo.
SuHo going the same build he did in his other games.

Baneling Nest down for SuHo.
Second Banshee and Marauders on the way for Ryung.

Double gas and Lair on the way for SuHo.
Couple SCVs fall, but the army of SuHo is destroyed with few problems for Ryung.

DOuble Armory for Ryung, 2 more Factories and double gas.
Spire and double Evo chamber for SuHo.
1/1 mech on the way for Ryung.

@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 23 2012 11:43 GMT
#778
Sooo i guess Ryung should just win this eh?
kiekaboe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands503 Posts
May 23 2012 11:43 GMT
#779
On May 23 2012 20:42 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:41 kiekaboe wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:40 Nocteo wrote:
What happens when Vines, Polt and Line win all their next matches ? Then we got a 3 way tie for the top of the group.


yes and if Line loses, Polt and VINES win, we would have three-way tie for second place


no, like I wrote, Ryung has to win then (vs Polt), because Vines would win a 3way tie vs Ryung+Line


Yes, I just realized, I guess I'm still human lol
http://aligulac.com check it out for stats :)
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
May 23 2012 11:44 GMT
#780
can they stop taling about lines build as if it was an allin, it could very well be a standard pressure that can transition perfectly into anything
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