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Sargonian
Profile Joined February 2012
United States164 Posts
May 20 2012 19:59 GMT
#1381
On May 21 2012 04:45 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 04:43 s3rp wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:37 RogerChillingworth wrote:
these guys showing that zvz is actually a great match-up, just not as much when people mirror each other's builds!


It would be a far better matchup though if there was a stage after both players go roach/infestor .

there is, ive seen a lot of games go to broodlords


Ultras are also great with fungal
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 20 2012 19:59 GMT
#1382
Typical Wolf. Downplay an awesome move by Violet to insult Symbol.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 20 2012 19:59 GMT
#1383
On May 21 2012 04:58 Fusilero wrote:
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On May 21 2012 04:58 CursOr wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:57 mambar wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:55 CursOr wrote:
Symbol just crashes in the front door though, I think his upgrades won him teh game.

viOLet had better upgrades

They were both on 2/2 for the end of the game... but the hatch sniping was apparently a really good plan. I'm surprised.

Symbol was 1/0 while violet was 2/2

I was sure I saw him click a Hydra that was 2/2.. my bad.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 20 2012 19:59 GMT
#1384
On May 21 2012 04:56 SkullZ9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 04:45 Azarkon wrote:
This is how ZvZ works, and what Stephano did not do -

Violet drones when he is ATTACKING after he sees that Symbol lost an army, not when he is defending. This allows him to gauge the supply of army and drones that he needs to have. You do not play blind in ZvZ when you are able to avoid it.

Symbol tricks Violet into thinking one thing, and does another. Mind games are super effective in ZvZ.

Multi-pronged attacks are okay with chokes, but on open maps you do not do multi-pronged attacks unless you're ahead, because then the opponent just marches up to you and kills you.

NA/EU Zergs need to improve on this.


Who are you to give advice to the whole "NA/EU ZERGS" ? Seems very pretentious, and I bet they already know all you said ...


A lot of them don't. You are able to tell from the way they play.
Province
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom314 Posts
May 20 2012 19:59 GMT
#1385
Zerg drop play is so under-rated, can't wait to try some of the drop play I've seen so far in this tournament
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
May 20 2012 19:59 GMT
#1386
On May 21 2012 04:56 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 04:56 SkullZ9 wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:45 Azarkon wrote:
This is how ZvZ works, and what Stephano did not do -

Violet drones when he is ATTACKING after he sees that Symbol lost an army, not when he is defending. This allows him to gauge the supply of army and drones that he needs to have. You do not play blind in ZvZ when you are able to avoid it.

Symbol tricks Violet into thinking one thing, and does another. Mind games are super effective in ZvZ.

Multi-pronged attacks are okay with chokes, but on open maps you do not do multi-pronged attacks unless you're ahead, because then the opponent just marches up to you and kills you.

NA/EU Zergs need to improve on this.


Who are you to give advice to the whole "NA/EU ZERGS" ? Seems very pretentious, and I bet they already know all you said ...

yeah it seems odd that a TL member would know more than all the na/eu zergs lol

He said you multipronged attacks work only if you're ahead. Seems that one just won a game with multi pronged attacks no?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
May 20 2012 20:00 GMT
#1387
On May 21 2012 04:59 Dosey wrote:
Typical Wolf. Downplay an awesome move by Violet to insult Symbol.


not rlly. those drops should never do that much damage at once.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 20 2012 20:00 GMT
#1388
On May 21 2012 04:59 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 04:56 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:56 SkullZ9 wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:45 Azarkon wrote:
This is how ZvZ works, and what Stephano did not do -

Violet drones when he is ATTACKING after he sees that Symbol lost an army, not when he is defending. This allows him to gauge the supply of army and drones that he needs to have. You do not play blind in ZvZ when you are able to avoid it.

Symbol tricks Violet into thinking one thing, and does another. Mind games are super effective in ZvZ.

Multi-pronged attacks are okay with chokes, but on open maps you do not do multi-pronged attacks unless you're ahead, because then the opponent just marches up to you and kills you.

NA/EU Zergs need to improve on this.


Who are you to give advice to the whole "NA/EU ZERGS" ? Seems very pretentious, and I bet they already know all you said ...

yeah it seems odd that a TL member would know more than all the na/eu zergs lol

He said you multipronged attacks work only if you're ahead. Seems that one just won a game with multi pronged attacks no?


Violet was ahead, and had spine crawlers at his chokes.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 20 2012 20:01 GMT
#1389
the hydra switch from symbol came too late, violet just had so many forces that he could flank him and snipe the hydras.
but still, I am happy that we got to see hydras in ZvZ.
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
May 20 2012 20:01 GMT
#1390
This post-game analysis is so freaking awesome, <3 you MLG
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
May 20 2012 20:01 GMT
#1391
On May 21 2012 04:58 wildstyle1337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 04:54 s3rp wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:48 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:46 s3rp wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:45 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:43 s3rp wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:37 RogerChillingworth wrote:
these guys showing that zvz is actually a great match-up, just not as much when people mirror each other's builds!


It would be a far better matchup though if there was a stage after both players go roach/infestor .

there is, ive seen a lot of games go to broodlords


But from what i've seen teching up alot of times leaves you open to just be overrun by roach/infestor while teching up.

well thats the tricky bit, normally it only happens in split map positions where both players are maxed with a good bank



Since i have no idea about ZvZ a quick question , shouldn't Ultralisks be kind of good in the later stages ? I mean they deal bonus damage to Roaches while beeing just as/almost as fast and can't be snared by fungal ? I mean yeah i realize you rarely have melee upgrades but still.


i think you can easily fungal ultras and at this point you have so many roaches to one shot ultralisk also zvz is so intensive u cant save money for ultralisk


You can fungal Ultras but it will only deal damage and not snare them. Ultras are immune to slow/snare effects. Yes you can still focus them with a good concave though.
Alchemind
Profile Joined November 2010
Albania142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 20:02:28
May 20 2012 20:02 GMT
#1392
Wow, casters don't need to show us the replay of what just happened. This isn't football or basketball where the flair of athletic moves is actually worth rewatching. Drops aren't particularly interesting to watch.


Waste of time!!!
You are a fucking choir boy compared to me!!!! A choir boy!!!!
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 20 2012 20:02 GMT
#1393
rofl symbol blowing hisbhair
www.superbeerbrothers.com
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
May 20 2012 20:02 GMT
#1394
I love the discussion that comes while these guys are watching the replays
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
May 20 2012 20:02 GMT
#1395
On May 21 2012 05:02 Alchemind wrote:
Wow, casters don't need to show us the replay of what just happened. This isn't football or basketball where the flair of athletic moves is actually worth happening. Drops aren't particularly interesting to watch.


Waste of time!!!



Fuck off, its a good thing
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 20 2012 20:02 GMT
#1396
On May 21 2012 05:00 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 04:59 nojok wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:56 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:56 SkullZ9 wrote:
On May 21 2012 04:45 Azarkon wrote:
This is how ZvZ works, and what Stephano did not do -

Violet drones when he is ATTACKING after he sees that Symbol lost an army, not when he is defending. This allows him to gauge the supply of army and drones that he needs to have. You do not play blind in ZvZ when you are able to avoid it.

Symbol tricks Violet into thinking one thing, and does another. Mind games are super effective in ZvZ.

Multi-pronged attacks are okay with chokes, but on open maps you do not do multi-pronged attacks unless you're ahead, because then the opponent just marches up to you and kills you.

NA/EU Zergs need to improve on this.


Who are you to give advice to the whole "NA/EU ZERGS" ? Seems very pretentious, and I bet they already know all you said ...

yeah it seems odd that a TL member would know more than all the na/eu zergs lol

He said you multipronged attacks work only if you're ahead. Seems that one just won a game with multi pronged attacks no?


Violet was ahead, and had spine crawlers at his chokes.


Violet was ahead, however if they were even, he could still have done harrass, just not with so many roaches dedicated to it.
But yeah, even game + 16 roaches dedicated to harrass = quick kill.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 20:02:58
May 20 2012 20:02 GMT
#1397
nice drop violet
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 20 2012 20:02 GMT
#1398
On May 21 2012 05:02 Alchemind wrote:
Wow, casters don't need to show us the replay of what just happened. This isn't football or basketball where the flair of athletic moves is actually worth rewatching. Drops aren't particularly interesting to watch.


Waste of time!!!

I, actually, disagree 100%. That was awesome.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Alchemind
Profile Joined November 2010
Albania142 Posts
May 20 2012 20:03 GMT
#1399
On May 21 2012 05:02 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 05:02 Alchemind wrote:
Wow, casters don't need to show us the replay of what just happened. This isn't football or basketball where the flair of athletic moves is actually worth happening. Drops aren't particularly interesting to watch.


Waste of time!!!



Fuck off, its a good thing



Don't be mean, bro. Just expressing my opinion, no need to get angry cause u mad.
You are a fucking choir boy compared to me!!!! A choir boy!!!!
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
May 20 2012 20:03 GMT
#1400
Come to think of it I'm not sure why drops aren't used more often in zvz, if no one goes muta there's very little air defence around
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