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On May 21 2012 04:43 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 04:37 RogerChillingworth wrote: these guys showing that zvz is actually a great match-up, just not as much when people mirror each other's builds! It would be a far better matchup though if there was a stage after both players go roach/infestor . there is, ive seen a lot of games go to broodlords
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This is how ZvZ works, and what Stephano did not do -
Violet drones when he is ATTACKING after he sees that Symbol lost an army, not when he is defending. This allows him to gauge the supply of army and drones that he needs to have. You do not play blind in ZvZ when you are able to avoid it.
Symbol tricks Violet into thinking one thing, and does another. Mind games are super effective in ZvZ.
Multi-pronged attacks are okay with chokes, but on open maps you do not do multi-pronged attacks unless you're ahead, because then the opponent just marches up to you and kills you.
NA/EU Zergs need to improve on this.
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On May 21 2012 04:45 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 04:43 s3rp wrote:On May 21 2012 04:37 RogerChillingworth wrote: these guys showing that zvz is actually a great match-up, just not as much when people mirror each other's builds! It would be a far better matchup though if there was a stage after both players go roach/infestor . there is, ive seen a lot of games go to broodlords
But from what i've seen teching up alot of times leaves you open to just be overrun by roach/infestor while teching up.
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On May 21 2012 04:40 Brotatolol wrote:I love how casters always whisper when they see a nydus worm or dark shrine being made.  I still remember the game at IEM where Moon pulled a nydus and the crowd was so loud that Ace could hear it. Since that time this seems to be common practice.
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On May 21 2012 04:46 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 04:45 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 21 2012 04:43 s3rp wrote:On May 21 2012 04:37 RogerChillingworth wrote: these guys showing that zvz is actually a great match-up, just not as much when people mirror each other's builds! It would be a far better matchup though if there was a stage after both players go roach/infestor . there is, ive seen a lot of games go to broodlords But from what i've seen teching up alot of times leaves you open to just be overrun by roach/infestor while teching up. well thats the tricky bit, normally it only happens in split map positions where both players are maxed with a good bank
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On May 21 2012 04:36 Sargonian wrote: whoa awesome meta game play showing the spire grabbing baneling speed but it could be stopped easily....ninja non-the-less
Ninja? Muta bane is very common. If he wanted Ninja he shouldve went Hydra's cause no one goes Hydras except for the nubcake Idra.
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Symbol handled that so well. Those banelings could have ended that game.
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On May 21 2012 04:47 damian1043_ wrote: --- Nuked ---
Thanks, Brohan!
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On May 21 2012 04:48 Alchemind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 04:36 Sargonian wrote: whoa awesome meta game play showing the spire grabbing baneling speed but it could be stopped easily....ninja non-the-less Ninja? Muta bane is very common. If he wanted Ninja he shouldve went Hydra's cause no one goes Hydras except for the nubcake Idra. tell me the last game idra went hydras
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GG to stephano, top 3, taking dowmn MC, Ryung and Heart, and losing in a complicated MU that can be very tricky. And now he can train with Symbol... god it's gonna be good.
GO SYMBOL !
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good save of the queen by symbol! wait... I am supposed to root for violet.
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Both players on 3 bases now, Antiga, Violet ahead in supply but behind in tech.
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On May 21 2012 04:50 ravenKRaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 04:48 Alchemind wrote:On May 21 2012 04:36 Sargonian wrote: whoa awesome meta game play showing the spire grabbing baneling speed but it could be stopped easily....ninja non-the-less Ninja? Muta bane is very common. If he wanted Ninja he shouldve went Hydra's cause no one goes Hydras except for the nubcake Idra. tell me the last game idra went hydras
Against Cruncher in NASL!
I dunno if he did it after that debacle though...
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On May 21 2012 04:50 ravenKRaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 04:48 Alchemind wrote:On May 21 2012 04:36 Sargonian wrote: whoa awesome meta game play showing the spire grabbing baneling speed but it could be stopped easily....ninja non-the-less Ninja? Muta bane is very common. If he wanted Ninja he shouldve went Hydra's cause no one goes Hydras except for the nubcake Idra. tell me the last game idra went hydras
Idra Vs a Protoss on his stream.
GG
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I want to see some NP on infestors casting Fungals on their own units.
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why is violet going mass spine?
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Violet loading up 2/2OL roach drps and going down both sides...
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violet, going roach drop for harrass! :o
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