EPT[Code S] Semi-Final 2012 GSL Season 2 - Page 153
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andReslic
216 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On May 11 2012 02:55 andReslic wrote: Anyone knows when is going to be the final? 19th of May. HerO getting manhandled  . Too bad, hoped to see him shine in the finals against MVP. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2974 Posts
On May 11 2012 02:57 Koshi wrote: 19th of May. HerO getting manhandled . Too bad, hoped to see him shine in the finals against MVP.I really wanted to see Hero vs. MVP, but the fact MVP is in the finals, still with bad wrists. I'm ecstatic to see he got this far. Go all the way MVP, get that 4th GSL championship! | ||
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Taug
United States146 Posts
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Miscellany
Wales125 Posts
I don't understand MVP. He has this intangible ability to win and to choose the right strategy. I just don't understand, but he won't beat Squirtle, even if he didn't have wrist problems, he wouldn't (if he does then he is obviously a league above the rest of them, because he shouldn't be winning these games) | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On May 11 2012 03:21 Miscellany wrote: Squirtle has such brilliant play. I think he must be overall the best Protoss in the world. Not sure why no one has really picked up too much on his massive streak recently. I don't understand MVP. He has this intangible ability to win and to choose the right strategy. I just don't understand, but he won't beat Squirtle, even if he didn't have wrist problems, he wouldn't (if he does then he is obviously a league above the rest of them, because he shouldn't be winning these games) His play is really good, but not brilliant. It's just really standard and strong like Genius was last season. Come to think of it Squirtle reminds me of Genius last season | ||
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pigtheman
United States333 Posts
On May 11 2012 00:42 power-overwhelming wrote: Lol Terrans never cease to amuse me. The past month they've been crying Toss OP because all the best PvTers destroyed the Terrans. They then cried balance and it's "unfair" that Blizzard only gave Terran 6 months of dominance before balancing all races together. Consequently, in that time of their dominance, any Protoss that would beat them (MC) would get labeled all innish, timing attacker, no skill etc. Yet when their "king" makes his way to the semi-final cheesing a Toss for 3 games, then cheesing again to make it to the finals, the "better player won". Or wait, it's "perfectly countered greedy builds". Last time I checked when MC 2 base timing attacked MVP at MLG who went for 3 cc's and 2 engi bay before stim everyone hated on MC for "all inning". I know double standard doesn't exist in this forum due to extreme bias, but at least be consistent lol. Everyone hates on a PvP finals, but do tell me MVP games vs Naniwa and Parting were better than a generic PvP? im pretty sure your argument was dismantled by this response you have to take into account how many have been won by the same person too. Just because the crowd cries no skill doesn't mean no skill.. MC was hella good. I'm not sure where you get your opinions but it sure isn't from everyone.. I would assume that MC's timing push hard countered MVP's build (: everyones probably not going to be consistent with each other... lol everyone different thats an opinion.. some like it some don't but pvp is honestly a flip of a coin, unless your squirtle and you destroy everyone and become Blastoise + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 00:39 Chunhyang wrote: The point I was actually trying to subltly make was that number of championships is really quite an unreliable way to assess balance, espcially such a low number. Additionally, there are other factors to consider, like who the player is, constant balance adjustments, and just plain old luck. I'd also like to point out that Terran winning the most championships over history doesn't mean Terran is the strongest right now. Also, the fact that Terran has been imbalanced in the past doesn't mean that Protoss or Zerg has a vested right to be imbalanced now, or that Terrans aren't allowed to complain. No race has a "right" to be imba at any point in time. We talk about balance in the present, the here and now, and nobody should really desire that after a certain amount of time, all races have a relatively equal amount. What we want, what the ideal truly is, is that at any point in time, representatives from any one of the three races has an almost equal chance of winning the game or the tournament, past stats be damned. If P is imba now, it should be corrected, past T or Z dominance being irrelevant. + Show Spoiler + MVP is such a king. I see no guilt whatsoever that he's gone cheesy to win. Such a stone cold pro <3 | ||
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sirreginold
United States557 Posts
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cmcaneff5502
United States116 Posts
On May 11 2012 02:30 power-overwhelming wrote: Calling me a kid doesn't make your arguments any credible. Good luck in TL. MVP has only proven himself in TvT and TvZ. Much like any other top tier players who have 2 good matchups and 1 bad one. My argument was that terrans always QQ when their player get 2 base busted by Toss but when MVP does it they hail him as "punishing greedy openings". Game 1, SCV train, Game 2, 1-1-1, Game 3 he lost standard play, Game 4 was a risky doom drop that paid off. Against Naniwa, all all ins. Just because this season Protoss won macro games off Terran doesn't justify cheese while degrading others. All of you are taking Blizzard's statement on TvP out of context. TvZ is the same, try not to harass a zerg for 15 min and see how it is late game. Terrans NEED to do damage or some form of harass to zerg early game, they all know that, but you don't see them bit by biting every game. Look at the state of ZvP-that-is-not-MC. Max roach rush seems unstoppable but you don't see Toss cheesing their way out of it. I agree MVP has to do what he has to do to win. What I don't agree is fanboys like you bashing other players for doing the same but hailing MVP for doing it. But like I said, there are no double standards in TL, "kid". Calling me a fanboy doesn't "make your arguments any credible." Good grammar, and good luck in TL. What other player did i bash? I'm pretty sure that you actually bashed mvp, not anything near the other way around. All I pointed out is that saying that mvp is a cheeser, who, when he wins, is not the "better player," is ridiculous. MVP is the most accomplished player in the game. Calling him a cheeser without skill is unbelievably misguided. | ||
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Miscellany
Wales125 Posts
On May 11 2012 03:22 GreyKnight wrote: His play is really good, but not brilliant. It's just really standard and strong like Genius was last season. Come to think of it Squirtle reminds me of Genius last season They are similar, particularly in terms of playstyle. However there are a few key differences -Squirtle has really demonstrated good play in all matchups -Squirtle has recently had foreign success (it's unlikely to be a fluke) -Squirtle has shot through the rankings, and has gone from Code B -> finals (almost) straight. Genius was much more steady before his run deeper into code S. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On May 11 2012 04:21 sirreginold wrote: I think Squirtle has the best chance to MVP. He has strong standard play and rarely plays greedy like other Protoss. He also has some sick 2 base timings that he incorporates in his play often. Should prove to be a good finals. The thing with Squirtle is, that he just never looks vulnerable. Regardless of map, matchup, opponent etc, he always looks comfortable. His play itself is nothing fancy, nothing extravagant, just straightup solid and smart... and he pretty much never loses. Watching PartinG play I'm always nervous that he'll die to certain timings etc before he gets into his 100% winrate comfort zone, whereas with Squirtle I never feel the same 100% chance of victory as PartinG has, but instead he pretty much always looks like he has a >80% chance. Just my thoughts on it. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On May 11 2012 04:27 cmcaneff5502 wrote: Calling me a fanboy doesn't "make your arguments any credible." Good grammar, and good luck in TL. What other player did i bash? I'm pretty sure that you actually bashed mvp, not anything near the other way around. All I pointed out is that saying that mvp is a cheeser, who, when he wins, is not the "better player," is ridiculous. MVP is the most accomplished player in the game. Calling him a cheeser without skill is unbelievably misguided. How ironic. Calling him a kid as if you have some wisdom in your statements doesn't make your arguments valid. Cheese is cheese. With his cheese play against naniwa it lost him alot of standard fans (fanboys will be fanboys). Saying someone outplayed or was the better player in a matchup consisting of mainly cheese is ignorant. The fact is you can never tell if he was the better or worse player. Cheese eliminated our chance to see that | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
I'd cheer for Korean Bacon. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 11 2012 04:43 MrMercuG wrote: Squirtle is like the aLive of protoss, super solid but not that 'interesting' play in eyes of many. I've been a massive Squirtle fan since his GSTL win vs MVP Nestea can't save him now  | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
On May 11 2012 04:30 HaXXspetten wrote: The thing with Squirtle is, that he just never looks vulnerable. Regardless of map, matchup, opponent etc, he always looks comfortable. His play itself is nothing fancy, nothing extravagant, just straightup solid and smart... and he pretty much never loses. Watching PartinG play I'm always nervous that he'll die to certain timings etc before he gets into his 100% winrate comfort zone, whereas with Squirtle I never feel the same 100% chance of victory as PartinG has, but instead he pretty much always looks like he has a >80% chance. Just my thoughts on it. Kind of like the MMA of Protoss? MMA always looks vulnerable in the early-mid game and is susceptible to roach/bane all ins and protoss one-two base attacks. Once he gets past that point... | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On May 11 2012 04:30 HaXXspetten wrote: The thing with Squirtle is, that he just never looks vulnerable. Regardless of map, matchup, opponent etc, he always looks comfortable. His play itself is nothing fancy, nothing extravagant, just straightup solid and smart... and he pretty much never loses. Sounds like MVP at his peak now that I think about it, doesn't blow your mind with something new just destroys everyone. | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + very sad hero didn't make it into the finals though. i felt like he had a couple of oversights in his builds when he was playing and they cost him the game. DTs are starting to make their way back into the meta game with a vengence! very sad to see him 3-0'd. i have a feeling that MVP will be cheesing squirtle a bit. but he played standard a couple times vs parting and took the win. im gonna call it MVP 4-2 simply because he isn't afraid to cheese every now and then to force players to play less greedy. maybe squirtle will adapt his builds a little more and make it a closer 4-3, but I dont see MVP losing this one with his dominance against protoss lately. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
However, MVP is just better. | ||
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pirates
United States701 Posts
On May 11 2012 03:05 yoshi245 wrote: I really wanted to see Hero vs. MVP, but the fact MVP is in the finals, still with bad wrists. I'm ecstatic to see he got this far. Go all the way MVP, get that 4th GSL championship! omg poor hero i wanted to see him win a GSL so bad. It would have been a better love story than twilight for sure. | ||
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