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[IPL] FC15: MC vs Stephano - Page 22

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HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#421
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


First, that build is an agressive build, not all in.

Second, he did a third.

Third, he attacked because he knew he can kill him with the collossus, why play macro if you can kill your opponent now?
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:44:16
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#422
MC is smart. He knows that zerg is unbeatable with the 12 min roach push unless you harass early to stop it from happening. It's something foreign toss don't understand so stephano wins 80% of his zvp against foreigners with mass roach.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46356 Posts
April 29 2012 00:44 GMT
#423
On April 29 2012 09:42 Lennient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.

to be fair, if Protoss just sits there and macro up to 200/200, he is not even diamond.


And it means that the Zerg is doing something ridiculously wrong.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:44 GMT
#424
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

lol

User was warned for this post
Instigata
Profile Joined April 2004
United States546 Posts
April 29 2012 00:44 GMT
#425
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.
SC2 was doomed from the start.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#426
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


Don't argue with him. He's the most pathetic stephano fanboy on the forum.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#427
MC going for a gateway expand build, and i'm pretty sure Stephano won't scout, as usual.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#428
GG Stephano always loses to Gateway first.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#429
I'm feeling a 3 gate stalker pressure from MC
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#430
On April 29 2012 09:43 jnsjr wrote:
Roach hydra corrupter vs. Colossus zealot stalker. Stephano needs to ask Idra how that works out for zergs. T_T

Really interesting play by MC to force that composition. You could sense how hesitant Stephano was to go down that tech path. That is probably what forced his hand to attack so early, and that attack was easily beaten before the 1st colossus even came out. Great game

I think Stephano wanted to go mutas, which was perfect, but when MC dropped the main he saw the spire and decided to push it. The corruptors were more panic corruptors than planned corruptors imo =)
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#431
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


Yeah I hate when zerg users complain about that. The 12 min roach push doesn't take much skill and anyone can do it against someone who doesn't harass them.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:46:18
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#432
On April 29 2012 09:43 HGurryp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


First, that build is an agressive build, not all in.

Second, he did a third.

Third, he attacked because he knew he can kill him with the collossus, why play macro if you can kill your opponent now?


I'm a zerg and a stephano fan, but that was definitely not an all in.

Besides, for a best of 9, there is ZERO reason to not bring any cheese.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#433
On April 29 2012 09:43 Canucklehead wrote:
MC is smart. He knows that zerg is unbeatable with the 12 min roach push unless you harass early to stop it from happening. It's something foreign toss don't understand so stephano wins 80% of his zvp against foreigners with mass roach.


Yeah, I really like how MC metagames with 17 nexus knowing that stephano is famous for the 12 min roach max and then applies gateway pressure around 7-8min. As a zerg this really makes the roach max hard.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#434
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


I'm a zerg player and I loved that last game, please don't make such ridiculous generalizations about people.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#435
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.



LOL. This kind of true actually.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#436
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

*sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game.

Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming.
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#437
The commentary seems off at times. Even Naniwa doesn't FFE on Antiga Shipyard, what MC's doing isn't a huge surprise.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#438
Interested to see how MC plays this out.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#439
On April 29 2012 09:43 Canucklehead wrote:
MC is smart. He knows that zerg is unbeatable with the 12 min roach push unless you harass early to stop it from happening. It's something foreign toss don't understand so stephano wins 80% of his zvp against foreigners with mass roach.

so true
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11106 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#440
I love you guys
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