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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 25 2012 22:52 GMT
#3021
On April 26 2012 07:29 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


Lol, why don't you properly rebut his points instead of just making some ad hominem post that screams "MKP fanboy"? That type of post just makes you and your cause lose credibility.


If you took the time to read up you'd already see my argument.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 23:00:03
April 25 2012 22:55 GMT
#3022
On April 26 2012 07:34 SilentBonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


aLive is underrated, used to be the best in TSL potential wise. (better than Polt and Puma)

problem is hes in a pretty weak team for his standarts, but I still cant see MKP doing better, because he always fails in Code S Group round, while aLive until recently was the only player to never drop out of Code S.


Yes, a three time GSL finalist and one time semi finalist always fails in the groups. MKP has a better record than Alive in the present and in the past of Sc2. He has better achievement in 2012, better in 2011 and better in 2010. Clearly you are beyond all logic in your blind fanaticism on this topic.

I'm not even a big MKP fan, Mvp is my favourite Terran but it's really damn obvious that right now MKP is clearly the worlds best Terran player.


On April 26 2012 07:32 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


The fact that SilentBonjwa may be an Alive fanboy is irrelevant to the discussion. He's making an argument that Alive's recent performances trumps MKP's, and he listed perfectly valid facts to back up his argument. I'm not even an Alive fan myself, but Alive's recent performances definitely throw the "MKP is the best Terran in the world" statement into question. Even if you think Alive's accomplishments are merely equal to MKP's (MKP winning 2 MLGs, but Alive doing better many tournaments that MKP was also in, winning one of them as well) you can't say "MKP is the best terran in the world" because such a statement implies exclusivity.


1st MLG Winter Arena
1st MLG Winter Championship
2nd MLG Spring Arena
4 Kill in the GSTL final.
Ro16 GSL S1
Ro16 GSL S2

vs
1st IPL4
Ro4 GSL S1
Ro32 GSL S2.

It's a no contest.
1st IPL4
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 25 2012 22:59 GMT
#3023
On April 26 2012 07:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:34 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


aLive is underrated, used to be the best in TSL potential wise. (better than Polt and Puma)

problem is hes in a pretty weak team for his standarts, but I still cant see MKP doing better, because he always fails in Code S Group round, while aLive until recently was the only player to never drop out of Code S.


Yes, a three time GSL finalist and one time semi finalist always fails in the groups. MKP has a better record than Alive in the present and in the past of Sc2. He has better achievement in 2012, better in 2011 and better in 2010. Clearly you are beyond all logic in your blind fanaticism on this topic.

I'm not even a big MKP fan, Mvp is my favourite Terran but it's really damn obvious that right now MKP is clearly the worlds best Terran player.


It's funny how you say "right now, MKP is the clearly the worlds best Terran player" while citing performances in 2011 and 2010, which are, obviously, irrelevant to "right now". Better record that Alive in the past of SC2? Certainly, I completely agree. Present? Now that's what's under dispute, and you haven't made any points to support that claim. If you made some earlier in the topic then simply reiterate them here.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 23:02:13
April 25 2012 23:01 GMT
#3024
On April 26 2012 07:59 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:34 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


aLive is underrated, used to be the best in TSL potential wise. (better than Polt and Puma)

problem is hes in a pretty weak team for his standarts, but I still cant see MKP doing better, because he always fails in Code S Group round, while aLive until recently was the only player to never drop out of Code S.


Yes, a three time GSL finalist and one time semi finalist always fails in the groups. MKP has a better record than Alive in the present and in the past of Sc2. He has better achievement in 2012, better in 2011 and better in 2010. Clearly you are beyond all logic in your blind fanaticism on this topic.

I'm not even a big MKP fan, Mvp is my favourite Terran but it's really damn obvious that right now MKP is clearly the worlds best Terran player.


It's funny how you say "right now, MKP is the clearly the worlds best Terran player" while citing performances in 2011 and 2010, which are, obviously, irrelevant to "right now". Better record that Alive in the past of SC2? Certainly, I completely agree. Present? Now that's what's under dispute, and you haven't made any points to support that claim. If you made some earlier in the topic then simply reiterate them here.



1st MLG Winter Arena
1st MLG Winter Championship
2nd MLG Spring Arena
4 Kill in the GSTL final (+All kill vs NSHS before that)
Ro16 GSL S1
Ro16 GSL S2

vs

1st IPL4
Ro4 GSL S1
Ro32 GSL S2.

It's a no contest. MKP has a far, far better record in 2012. You have no case at all.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 23:04:01
April 25 2012 23:03 GMT
#3025
I never thought I'd be this sad to see a Terran lose.

Dammit MKP. Why did you have to tilt after Parting? A rematch in the final was written in the stars.
A-p-p-l-e-s
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada314 Posts
April 25 2012 23:04 GMT
#3026
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.


Marineking won the first bo3 2-0...
Marineking just came second in the last mlg and won many first place prizes as of late, i think marineking is at the top
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 25 2012 23:06 GMT
#3027
not that obvious in 2012, only for a MKP fan like you.

as said, I will wait until Iron Squid. If aLive wins it, thats two back to back titles.

Also tell me the last time aLive lost after he dropped to Code A? (excluding the first set of the IPL finals, because overall thats a win)

thats probably almost a month ago, and he beat everyone ever since that happened. MKP on the other hand lost a couple of times, although I give him credit for always compete with the very best and having a very good record against each of them.

So right now, probably MKP might be the best, but really not DEFINITIVE or even DOMINANTLY, at least not as much like DRG for Zerg right now.

Well we will see in the next months anyways...
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
April 25 2012 23:10 GMT
#3028
How many times have we called someone "best player in the world" and then a few months later the title moves to another player
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 23:14:08
April 25 2012 23:13 GMT
#3029
On April 26 2012 08:01 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:59 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:34 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


aLive is underrated, used to be the best in TSL potential wise. (better than Polt and Puma)

problem is hes in a pretty weak team for his standarts, but I still cant see MKP doing better, because he always fails in Code S Group round, while aLive until recently was the only player to never drop out of Code S.


Yes, a three time GSL finalist and one time semi finalist always fails in the groups. MKP has a better record than Alive in the present and in the past of Sc2. He has better achievement in 2012, better in 2011 and better in 2010. Clearly you are beyond all logic in your blind fanaticism on this topic.

I'm not even a big MKP fan, Mvp is my favourite Terran but it's really damn obvious that right now MKP is clearly the worlds best Terran player.


It's funny how you say "right now, MKP is the clearly the worlds best Terran player" while citing performances in 2011 and 2010, which are, obviously, irrelevant to "right now". Better record that Alive in the past of SC2? Certainly, I completely agree. Present? Now that's what's under dispute, and you haven't made any points to support that claim. If you made some earlier in the topic then simply reiterate them here.



1st MLG Winter Arena
1st MLG Winter Championship
2nd MLG Spring Arena
4 Kill in the GSTL final (+All kill vs NSHS before that)
Ro16 GSL S1
Ro16 GSL S2

vs

1st IPL4
Ro4 GSL S1
Ro32 GSL S2.

It's a no contest. MKP has a far, far better record in 2012. You have no case at all.


Well, you also ignore Iron Squid, and since you're counting the small MLG Arenas, it seems fair to count Iron Squid. I'm kind of sad that you mentioned the 4-kill in the GSTL final merely because I'm of the opinion that that wouldn't have happened had the disconnect not occurred, and that's opening up an entirely new can of worms, so I won't say anything more about that.

Also, Alive won the RaidCall invitational and the NASL Season 3 qualifiers, both of which had very strong players in them. One point that benefits your side is that MKP also won the KSL Grand Opening, but, also, Alive took the ESV TV Korean Weekly Season 2 #2.

All in all, they seem pretty even in 2012 accomplishments to me, close enough that you definitely can't say MKP has a "far, far better record" than Alive. You probably shouldn't accuse me of having no case at all when you apparently haven't even checked Liquipedia for a nice comprehensive list of 2012 results.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 25 2012 23:13 GMT
#3030
On April 26 2012 08:10 Altern wrote:
How many times have we called someone "best player in the world" and then a few months later the title moves to another player


I think that Fruit Dealer, Nestea, MC, MVP, MMA, DRG and MKP are the only players to really be the best in the world since release.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
April 25 2012 23:15 GMT
#3031
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


Yeah the one giving some valid support is the clueless one. great argument. i liked the part where you supported your arugment
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 23:17:16
April 25 2012 23:16 GMT
#3032
On April 26 2012 08:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Well, you also ignore Iron Squid, and since you're counting the small MLG Arenas, it seems fair to count Iron Squid. I'm kind of sad that you mentioned the 4-kill in the GSTL final merely because I'm of the opinion that that wouldn't have happened had the disconnect not occurred, and that's opening up an entirely new can of worms, so I won't say anything more about that.


If he wins Iron Squid it's worth a mention for sure, but making the LAN part isn't really a huge deal, not in the face of multiple MLG finals.

As for GSTL the disconnect doesn't go down on the records. MKP beat four players, that's all that matters now.


Also, Alive won the RaidCall invitational and the NASL Season 3 qualifiers, both of which had very strong players in them. One point that benefits your side is that MKP also won the KSL Grand Opening, but, also, Alive took the ESV TV Korean Weekly Season 2 #2.


None of these events mean anything.

MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 23:18:53
April 25 2012 23:18 GMT
#3033
On April 26 2012 07:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:34 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


aLive is underrated, used to be the best in TSL potential wise. (better than Polt and Puma)

problem is hes in a pretty weak team for his standarts, but I still cant see MKP doing better, because he always fails in Code S Group round, while aLive until recently was the only player to never drop out of Code S.


Yes, a three time GSL finalist and one time semi finalist always fails in the groups. MKP has a better record than Alive in the present and in the past of Sc2. He has better achievement in 2012, better in 2011 and better in 2010. Clearly you are beyond all logic in your blind fanaticism on this topic.

I'm not even a big MKP fan, Mvp is my favourite Terran but it's really damn obvious that right now MKP is clearly the worlds best Terran player.


Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:32 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


The fact that SilentBonjwa may be an Alive fanboy is irrelevant to the discussion. He's making an argument that Alive's recent performances trumps MKP's, and he listed perfectly valid facts to back up his argument. I'm not even an Alive fan myself, but Alive's recent performances definitely throw the "MKP is the best Terran in the world" statement into question. Even if you think Alive's accomplishments are merely equal to MKP's (MKP winning 2 MLGs, but Alive doing better many tournaments that MKP was also in, winning one of them as well) you can't say "MKP is the best terran in the world" because such a statement implies exclusivity.


1st MLG Winter Arena
1st MLG Winter Championship
2nd MLG Spring Arena
4 Kill in the GSTL final.
Ro16 GSL S1
Ro16 GSL S2

vs
1st IPL4
Ro4 GSL S1
Ro32 GSL S2.

It's a no contest.
1st IPL4


I can't believe you cited a 4 kill in the GSTL final as a significant achievement lol, especially THAT final when MKP shouldn't have won a single game. Also, you forgot to mention that aLive is the one who knocked MKP down to the loser's bracket at IPL.

aLive has the same TvZ, slightly worse TvP, and way better TvT. aLive is just as good if not betterthan MKP atm, especially after that terrible performance he gave today
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 25 2012 23:21 GMT
#3034
On April 26 2012 08:18 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 07:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:34 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


aLive is underrated, used to be the best in TSL potential wise. (better than Polt and Puma)

problem is hes in a pretty weak team for his standarts, but I still cant see MKP doing better, because he always fails in Code S Group round, while aLive until recently was the only player to never drop out of Code S.


Yes, a three time GSL finalist and one time semi finalist always fails in the groups. MKP has a better record than Alive in the present and in the past of Sc2. He has better achievement in 2012, better in 2011 and better in 2010. Clearly you are beyond all logic in your blind fanaticism on this topic.

I'm not even a big MKP fan, Mvp is my favourite Terran but it's really damn obvious that right now MKP is clearly the worlds best Terran player.


On April 26 2012 07:32 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:26 BretZ wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Clueless. Utterly clueless.


the one clueless is the one who cant even bring valid points to the table. u actually almost deserve a warning, but since i dont take ur anger as an insult...... aha bye.


You've started a fight about how alive is the best Terran in every single GSL thread I've ever seen. Why?.. You have an opinion, and so do others.


The fact that SilentBonjwa may be an Alive fanboy is irrelevant to the discussion. He's making an argument that Alive's recent performances trumps MKP's, and he listed perfectly valid facts to back up his argument. I'm not even an Alive fan myself, but Alive's recent performances definitely throw the "MKP is the best Terran in the world" statement into question. Even if you think Alive's accomplishments are merely equal to MKP's (MKP winning 2 MLGs, but Alive doing better many tournaments that MKP was also in, winning one of them as well) you can't say "MKP is the best terran in the world" because such a statement implies exclusivity.


1st MLG Winter Arena
1st MLG Winter Championship
2nd MLG Spring Arena
4 Kill in the GSTL final.
Ro16 GSL S1
Ro16 GSL S2

vs
1st IPL4
Ro4 GSL S1
Ro32 GSL S2.

It's a no contest.
1st IPL4


I can't believe you cited a 4 kill in the GSTL final as a significant achievement lol, especially THAT final when MKP shouldn't have won a single game. Also, you forgot to mention that aLive is the one who knocked MKP down to the loser's bracket at IPL.

aLive has the same TvZ, slightly worse TvP, and way better TvT. aLive is just as good if not betterthan MKP atm, especially after that terrible performance he gave today


So apparently single handedly winning the biggest team league in the whole sport doesn't matter but MasterKang arbitrarily ranking your TvX skills is an argument?
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 23:23:26
April 25 2012 23:21 GMT
#3035
There is also no doubt MKP (due to popularity) gets invited to almost any event right now and sits fat at a MLG top 6 seed, while aLive has to go through korean qualifiers at MLG events, which is a ridicolous disadvantage.

sure if aLive wants to be the best, he needs to come out on top of there.....just saying losing one bo3 costs a player like aLive the chance to compete in such a MLG championship.
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 25 2012 23:23 GMT
#3036
On April 26 2012 08:21 SilentBonjwa wrote:
There is also no doubt MKP gets invited to almost any event right now and sits fat at a MLG top 6 seed, while aLive has to go through korean qualifiers at MLG events, which is a ridicolous disadvantage.

sure if aLive wants to be the best, he needs to come out on top of there.....just saying losing one bo3 costs a player like aLive the chance to compete in such a MLG championship.


MKP was invited because he won the qualifier spot and continues to be invited because he keeps damn winning.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 25 2012 23:24 GMT
#3037
On April 26 2012 08:16 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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On April 26 2012 08:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Well, you also ignore Iron Squid, and since you're counting the small MLG Arenas, it seems fair to count Iron Squid. I'm kind of sad that you mentioned the 4-kill in the GSTL final merely because I'm of the opinion that that wouldn't have happened had the disconnect not occurred, and that's opening up an entirely new can of worms, so I won't say anything more about that.


If he wins Iron Squid it's worth a mention for sure, but making the LAN part isn't really a huge deal, not in the face of multiple MLG finals.

As for GSTL the disconnect doesn't go down on the records. MKP beat four players, that's all that matters now.

Show nested quote +

Also, Alive won the RaidCall invitational and the NASL Season 3 qualifiers, both of which had very strong players in them. One point that benefits your side is that MKP also won the KSL Grand Opening, but, also, Alive took the ESV TV Korean Weekly Season 2 #2.


None of these events mean anything.



Ah, so none of those tournament accomplishments mean anything, but a 4-kill does matter? Clearly, you're just choosing which events have meaning and which ones don't at your convenience, and, if you have to resort to that, I see no point in continuing this discussion.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
April 25 2012 23:24 GMT
#3038
Wolf and Artosis were simply amazing last night... best SC2 casting I've heard and I've watched SC2 everyday since the beta.

As a long time viewer of SC2, I really think we need that level of information delivered with the speed and enthusiasm that they did last night more.

Artosis and Tasteless sometimes feels like watching two best friends talk, and your not always in on the jokes.... Artosis and Wolf was like watching two people who know a lot more than you enthusiastically share their knowledge.

Less jokes, more analysis. This is what I want.

Also an 11 pm PST start time would be nice
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 23:27:52
April 25 2012 23:26 GMT
#3039
On April 26 2012 08:24 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 08:16 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 08:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Well, you also ignore Iron Squid, and since you're counting the small MLG Arenas, it seems fair to count Iron Squid. I'm kind of sad that you mentioned the 4-kill in the GSTL final merely because I'm of the opinion that that wouldn't have happened had the disconnect not occurred, and that's opening up an entirely new can of worms, so I won't say anything more about that.


If he wins Iron Squid it's worth a mention for sure, but making the LAN part isn't really a huge deal, not in the face of multiple MLG finals.

As for GSTL the disconnect doesn't go down on the records. MKP beat four players, that's all that matters now.


Also, Alive won the RaidCall invitational and the NASL Season 3 qualifiers, both of which had very strong players in them. One point that benefits your side is that MKP also won the KSL Grand Opening, but, also, Alive took the ESV TV Korean Weekly Season 2 #2.


None of these events mean anything.



Ah, so none of those tournament accomplishments mean anything, but a 4-kill does matter? Clearly, you're just choosing which events have meaning and which ones don't at your convenience, and, if you have to resort to that, I see no point in continuing this discussion.


It matters because it's the BIGGEST TEAM LEAGUE TOURNAMENT IN THE ENTIRE GAME.

Scoring a four kill in the GSTL final is like scoring a hat trick in the Champions League final. It is a massive deal. If Pro League used all kill in the finals and Flash went and 4 killed SKT you don't think that wouldn't be one of the biggest results of his career?

Why am I needing to explain to you why soloing the GSTL finals is better than winning KSL or some FXO invitational?
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
April 25 2012 23:27 GMT
#3040
On April 26 2012 07:13 SilentBonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 06:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 26 2012 05:57 SilentBonjwa wrote:
PartinG so good ^_^

glad to see MKP out, and he still cant prove to be the best terran definetly.

glad for TaeJa too, my prediction was true and his mirror is trustworthy, even under pressure.



MKP has easily proven he's the best Terran in the world right now.


sorry aLive did better the past 2 months.

won IPL, Iron Squid semi finals (still running), Code S Top 4, and Code S Top 8 before that.

MKP won stuff, but failed to go past Code S Top 16 this season as well as the previous 2 or 3 seasons.

Cant see him better than aLive, or even MMA.

This argument is pretty much accurate, even if slightly biased could be confirmed by any neutral observator


Lets begin with GSL January as our starting point. Alive makes it to the round of 4 while MKP gets knocked out in third of his ro16 group.

MKP wins MLG winter arena where Alive doesn't participate.

MKP wins MLG winter championship and ALive comes in 9th-12th.

Alive wins IPL and MKP takes 5th-6th.

GSL April MKP finishes third in his ro16 group and Alive finishes 4th in his ro32 group.

GSTL MKP goes 10 wins and 1 loss finishing 3 teams off.

Iron Squid Alive is in the ro 4 and could win and MKP finishes 5th-8th.

MKP takes second in MLG Spring Arena

MKP won 2 tournaments and Alive won 1 with the potential of a second. They played in 4 tournaments together, MKP did better twice Alive did better twice. MKP made it to the finals of 3 tournaments and Alive made it to the final of 1 or possibly 2. MKP dominated GSTL to go along with this.

As a fan of both players I'll take MKP's results any day. Also MMA is slumping pretty hard, so I'm not putting him into the equation for now.

To be honest MVP or even SuperNoVa or Taeja could grab the title as best T if they win the GSL in impressive enough fashion, but I think its MKP for now.
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