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architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 12:11:22
April 25 2012 12:07 GMT
#2241
On April 25 2012 20:54 SwampFox808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:47 architecture wrote:

What timing do you scan at?

Where do you scan?

Gates and army can be anywhere.

Or do you like to just put them in the middle of your base where scans go?



MKP has forward units scouting usually and I've seen him perfectly scan scout early gate pressures, to be safe you would have to scan both natural and main or the space inbetween and hope to get lucky. Or just send an scv or marine to the 3rd locations to scout if he dropped it or not and if he didnt than play safe and assume there might be a 2 base pressure build coming instead of blindly guessing that its a quick 3rd... And I have no clue about the exact timings but these pro gamers do and im sure if you really want to know you can look them up on liquipedia... 7 gate pressure is a coin flip for toss if they cant take out the terran with it they usually loose because they dont have space to tech up and gateway only against MMM sucks....

The point is that he didnt see the attack coming until it was at his doorstep when he was assuming it wasnt coming... this is deadly in any matchup


How is it that you can understand the 7 gate is a coinflip, but not understand that essentially every build is a coinflip. It wins against some, and loses against others. You can play super safe, but that is also a loss against greedy builds! There is no such thing as truly "safe", there are only advantages or disadvantages.

My point is that the dis/advantages are too harsh in this matchup for both races. It's too fatal. Z used to complain about this in ZvT, but mostly it's been hammered out and no one really dies that much. Look at the way T are able to handle 2 base Z busts, barely. That's good design.



As for MKP it's not always possible to sneak out another SCV 6m+ when there are stalkers camping your towers. Moving out with your marines, especially when you are preparing a build designed to deal with is really risky.

The issue isn't scouting. The issue is that you are forced to make a bet (you've taken a ton of geysers) and are waiting for 3 tanks for 9m+ timing. The side effect is that you die to other stuff. Ideally, this would be a game where proper execution meant that builds could survive multiple opposing builds without taking significant disadvantage. Unfortunately this just isn't true right now in SC2, and especially in TvP.

Also: the extra gates in a 7 gate take 1m to go up, and probably around 1m30s-2m to the required number of units being warped in. There's essentially no room there to make any adjustments for the opposing player. What do you expect there to be different in a reaction. If you didn't get so much gas, and had more rax + marines, you could potentially do bunkers, like the 6+ bunkers we've seen. Otherwise all you can really do that in that time is continue your build.
tpfkan
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
April 25 2012 12:08 GMT
#2242
Team liquid HWAITING!
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
April 25 2012 12:08 GMT
#2243
STC make thors
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
April 25 2012 12:08 GMT
#2244
This game must feel so bad for the Stc. Gets really far behind, has to sack a cloak banshee because otherwise its useless supply, and then you get a tank stuck.
I think id just gg right there.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2245
Vikings > Marines! What now?!
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2246
vikings are good against unstimmed marines actually.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2247
Taeja = Landedvikingking
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2248
Taeja breaking out the viking harass xD
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45028 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2249
On April 25 2012 21:06 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 21:05 fraGGer wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:03 arfyron wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:01 fraGGer wrote:
Sure this was answered somewhere else but I can't find it in the 110 pages, but why is Tasteless not casting some of the Code S groups any more? Has he loads of other stuff on?


He's feeling sick.


Oh right, thx


Not just that, he has an actual fever.


Well of course. He's John Travolta.

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"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2250
On April 25 2012 21:09 Drazerk wrote:
Taeja = Landedvikingking

I thought that was Gumiho.
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2251
Mix a banshee in there Taeja, and its game over.
rvng
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada30 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2252
Sick viking harass... so underused.
TaeJa | Kas | SuperNova | ForGG FIGHTING!
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#2253
On April 25 2012 21:09 Asha` wrote:
Taeja breaking out the viking harass xD


The best kind of harass.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 25 2012 12:10 GMT
#2254
On April 25 2012 21:06 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 21:02 KristofferAG wrote:
(T)oGsTheStC v (T)Liquid_TaeJa
0 - 1


Maps:
Metropolis (T)Liquid_TaeJa
Daybreak

5.00
(T)oGsTheStC spawning as the red Terran in the 7 o'cock position.
(T)Liquid_TaeJa spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.

Refinery first for both players on 12.
Both players getting rax on 14. Stc proxying his next to his third on the left handside.

Both players following up with a Factory, StC placing it in his main.
Both players still mirrored in BO, second gas taken.

TaeJa now going for Starport.
StC proxies his Starport in the top base.

Hellion produced in the Factory for StC.
hellion from TaeJa taken out by Stc.

Both players going for cloaked Banshees.

10.00
Stc adding on Reactor to the Barracks next to the starport.
StC placing down two turrets, TaeJa places down one.

StC doing lots of damage in the main of TaeJa, StC is able to do same amounts of damage.
First Banshee from taeja foes down as the second comes out.

No mining in StC's base!
The SCV building a CC for TaeJa is taken out by StC.
Raven pops out and the Banshee from Stc is taken out.

Banshee from TaeJa finally taken out.
Last Banshee from StC coming out towards TaeJa's base. takes out 3 SCVs before taken down.


15.00
StC placing down a CC on his Natural, and one in his main.
Siege tech being researched as Barracks and Starport slowly flying back to his main.

Double Viking production still going for TaeJa as he bunkers up his natural.Combat Shields on the way.
+1 attack started for Stc.

TaeJa also starting +1 attack.
Stim started for taeJa.

2 more Barracks added on for Stc as the Vikings and Raven moves towards StC's main.
StC's siege tanks come in.
TaeJa pulls out after killing marines, SCVs and a Refinery.

More vikings land on the natural, atking out a siege tank and a Ciking.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 25 2012 12:10 GMT
#2255
NOT THE RAVEN!
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 25 2012 12:10 GMT
#2256
Mule trying to cop a feel of the siege tank
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
April 25 2012 12:11 GMT
#2257
I suppose we were bound to have a bad game eventually today.
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
April 25 2012 12:11 GMT
#2258
what the fuck is this game? i like it
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia776 Posts
April 25 2012 12:11 GMT
#2259
Wow this game is so scrappy
Oz | Leenock | GuMiho | Lucky | MC | PartinG | DRG | Mvp
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 25 2012 12:12 GMT
#2260
Lol taeja losing his cc x_x
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