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On April 14 2012 19:09 roym899 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 19:06 Adreme wrote:On April 14 2012 19:05 Belha wrote:On April 14 2012 18:00 LimitSEA wrote:
Two zergs in Code S. Jesus, this is just sad. Why this never happened to terran -.-" Probably because a ridiculous amount of most teams high level playesr are terran. With the exception of oGs and Zenex I think all 8 other teams have a high level terran not to mention that now multiple foreign teams are getting high level terrans. But the question is WHY are there so many more Top Terrans then Top Zergs and Protosses since the Release of the game? In the ladder the races are splitted very equally.
Well what if lets say sc2 just started and all the tier 1 bw pros eg flash,jaedong,bisu, etc choose to play terran and then the worse bw people choose zerg and protoss. Wouldnt you expect that terran would be doing better in code s just because the players are actually better. I dont see why people think that there should be a perfectly even number of terran,protoss and zerg at the top. There are a lot of other factors ie more of the pros picked terran and maybe the "best gamers" picked terran.
So if blizzard did nerf terran to even up the distribution the race would be worse than zerg and protoss in general even if you got 33% players for each race in code s.
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On April 14 2012 21:29 ydeer1993 wrote:
Isn't it guna be Genius MC Parting ( because they have the highest points ) then because the rest tied will revert to 2011 so MVP will be chosen?
If you're thinking about the RO16, then no, because they can choose their opponents. Only the first drawing is based on points.
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On April 15 2012 00:17 Mythra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 19:09 roym899 wrote:On April 14 2012 19:06 Adreme wrote:On April 14 2012 19:05 Belha wrote:On April 14 2012 18:00 LimitSEA wrote:
Two zergs in Code S. Jesus, this is just sad. Why this never happened to terran -.-" Probably because a ridiculous amount of most teams high level playesr are terran. With the exception of oGs and Zenex I think all 8 other teams have a high level terran not to mention that now multiple foreign teams are getting high level terrans. But the question is WHY are there so many more Top Terrans then Top Zergs and Protosses since the Release of the game? In the ladder the races are splitted very equally. Well what if lets say sc2 just started and all the tier 1 bw pros eg flash,jaedong,bisu, etc choose to play terran and then the worse bw people choose zerg and protoss. Wouldnt you expect that terran would be doing better in code s just because the players are actually better. I dont see why people think that there should be a perfectly even number of terran,protoss and zerg at the top. There are a lot of other factors ie more of the pros picked terran and maybe the "best gamers" picked terran. So if blizzard did nerf terran to even up the distribution the race would be worse than zerg and protoss in general even if you got 33% players for each race in code s.
This.
I don't know why everyone just assumed the race was always OP and is still OP but not the player. Mvp broke ghosts, MKP is friggin Houdini, MMA still destroys in TvZ with nerfs. Yes there were always imbalances in the game, that happens when a game is young. It's not that one race is the best race, it's that certain people are playing that race. Lesser players cannot handle these things that pros handle. They're pro for a reason.
When 4/5 bonjwas are Terran, when the best player in the world is Terran (Flash is still best), when one of the most popular players ever is Terran, wouldn't it make sense for a lot of younger players to start playing Terran?
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On April 15 2012 00:16 kubiks wrote:
Welll Virus f*** you, because of you we will have only 2 zerg in the ro16 -_-
ps : well in fact I can't really blame a player for winning...but still I am annoyed :'(
Virus bathes in nerd tears
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On April 15 2012 00:47 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:17 Mythra wrote:On April 14 2012 19:09 roym899 wrote:On April 14 2012 19:06 Adreme wrote:On April 14 2012 19:05 Belha wrote:On April 14 2012 18:00 LimitSEA wrote:
Two zergs in Code S. Jesus, this is just sad. Why this never happened to terran -.-" Probably because a ridiculous amount of most teams high level playesr are terran. With the exception of oGs and Zenex I think all 8 other teams have a high level terran not to mention that now multiple foreign teams are getting high level terrans. But the question is WHY are there so many more Top Terrans then Top Zergs and Protosses since the Release of the game? In the ladder the races are splitted very equally. Well what if lets say sc2 just started and all the tier 1 bw pros eg flash,jaedong,bisu, etc choose to play terran and then the worse bw people choose zerg and protoss. Wouldnt you expect that terran would be doing better in code s just because the players are actually better. I dont see why people think that there should be a perfectly even number of terran,protoss and zerg at the top. There are a lot of other factors ie more of the pros picked terran and maybe the "best gamers" picked terran. So if blizzard did nerf terran to even up the distribution the race would be worse than zerg and protoss in general even if you got 33% players for each race in code s. This. I don't know why everyone just assumed the race was always OP and is still OP but not the player. Mvp broke ghosts, MKP is friggin Houdini, MMA still destroys in TvZ with nerfs. Yes there were always imbalances in the game, that happens when a game is young. It's not that one race is the best race, it's that certain people are playing that race. Lesser players cannot handle these things that pros handle. They're pro for a reason. When 4/5 bonjwas are Terran, when the best player in the world is Terran (Flash is still best), when one of the most popular players ever is Terran, wouldn't it make sense for a lot of younger players to start playing Terran?
And this has nothing to do with the fact Terran has more tools at its disposal than anyone else?
The problems with z v t have been there since the beginning. Zerg are pathetically easy to rush, harass, cheese and generally defeat.
It's not that Zerg is 'hard to play' it's that Zerg can lose easily. You don't see Zerg holding on for dear life and squeezing out a win after a horrible engagement the way Terrans often do, you see them get roflstomped because Zerg are incredibly fragile and their economy is nowhere near as strong as Terrans. Terrans can lose half their SCVs and still mine equally to a 3 base Zerg thanks to MULEs while Zerg can... er... die?
Yes, different players in different times can make either race seem overpowered, but there are structural weaknesses in the Zerg race that make them easier to lose with. Hence why so many pros are 'making mistakes'. Terran are incredibly forgiving to play unless you go for certain risky builds (Thor rush in particular) where one engagement legitimately loses you the game, and of course the dreaded bad unsiege timing. Zerg are incredibly unforgiving in almost every scenario at every stage of the game with the exception of the very very late game where you can go god mode with infestors and broodlords.
Protoss I'm not sure about. I think more than the other races it genuinely depends on who's piloting Protoss. They have so many powerful tools but they're all awkward to use right with the exception of the old 4 gate cheeses. I think Protoss are the most strategical race over all, you really need to think ahead to what you intend to build and how you intend to get the most out of them.
Overall I do think the T v Z matchup is unbalanced against Zerg, not because x unit beats y unit but because of Terran's far greater ability to come back from losses and superior ability to dictate the pace of the game. Any aggressive Terran forces the Zerg onto the back foot up until they make a serious screw up, as Virus demonstrated today and MMA used to demonstrate all the time when he was playing godly or pretty much any top Terran. Even the classic anti-marine unit, the baneling, depends far more on how good the Terran is than the zerg, because proper splitting drastically reduces or even nullfies them in extreme cases.
How often do you see Zerg micro genuinely swing the tide of a battle?
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Holy crap--we might have our second PvT final!
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On April 15 2012 01:29 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:47 Femari wrote:On April 15 2012 00:17 Mythra wrote:On April 14 2012 19:09 roym899 wrote:On April 14 2012 19:06 Adreme wrote:On April 14 2012 19:05 Belha wrote:On April 14 2012 18:00 LimitSEA wrote:
Two zergs in Code S. Jesus, this is just sad. Why this never happened to terran -.-" Probably because a ridiculous amount of most teams high level playesr are terran. With the exception of oGs and Zenex I think all 8 other teams have a high level terran not to mention that now multiple foreign teams are getting high level terrans. But the question is WHY are there so many more Top Terrans then Top Zergs and Protosses since the Release of the game? In the ladder the races are splitted very equally. Well what if lets say sc2 just started and all the tier 1 bw pros eg flash,jaedong,bisu, etc choose to play terran and then the worse bw people choose zerg and protoss. Wouldnt you expect that terran would be doing better in code s just because the players are actually better. I dont see why people think that there should be a perfectly even number of terran,protoss and zerg at the top. There are a lot of other factors ie more of the pros picked terran and maybe the "best gamers" picked terran. So if blizzard did nerf terran to even up the distribution the race would be worse than zerg and protoss in general even if you got 33% players for each race in code s. This. I don't know why everyone just assumed the race was always OP and is still OP but not the player. Mvp broke ghosts, MKP is friggin Houdini, MMA still destroys in TvZ with nerfs. Yes there were always imbalances in the game, that happens when a game is young. It's not that one race is the best race, it's that certain people are playing that race. Lesser players cannot handle these things that pros handle. They're pro for a reason. When 4/5 bonjwas are Terran, when the best player in the world is Terran (Flash is still best), when one of the most popular players ever is Terran, wouldn't it make sense for a lot of younger players to start playing Terran? And this has nothing to do with the fact Terran has more tools at its disposal than anyone else? The problems with z v t have been there since the beginning. Zerg are pathetically easy to rush, harass, cheese and generally defeat. It's not that Zerg is 'hard to play' it's that Zerg can lose easily. You don't see Zerg holding on for dear life and squeezing out a win after a horrible engagement the way Terrans often do, you see them get roflstomped because Zerg are incredibly fragile and their economy is nowhere near as strong as Terrans. Terrans can lose half their SCVs and still mine equally to a 3 base Zerg thanks to MULEs while Zerg can... er... die? Yes, different players in different times can make either race seem overpowered, but there are structural weaknesses in the Zerg race that make them easier to lose with. Hence why so many pros are 'making mistakes'. Terran are incredibly forgiving to play unless you go for certain risky builds (Thor rush in particular) where one engagement legitimately loses you the game, and of course the dreaded bad unsiege timing. Zerg are incredibly unforgiving in almost every scenario at every stage of the game with the exception of the very very late game where you can go god mode with infestors and broodlords. Protoss I'm not sure about. I think more than the other races it genuinely depends on who's piloting Protoss. They have so many powerful tools but they're all awkward to use right with the exception of the old 4 gate cheeses. I think Protoss are the most strategical race over all, you really need to think ahead to what you intend to build and how you intend to get the most out of them. Overall I do think the T v Z matchup is unbalanced against Zerg, not because x unit beats y unit but because of Terran's far greater ability to come back from losses and superior ability to dictate the pace of the game. Any aggressive Terran forces the Zerg onto the back foot up until they make a serious screw up, as Virus demonstrated today and MMA used to demonstrate all the time when he was playing godly or pretty much any top Terran. Even the classic anti-marine unit, the baneling, depends far more on how good the Terran is than the zerg, because proper splitting drastically reduces or even nullfies them in extreme cases. How often do you see Zerg micro genuinely swing the tide of a battle?
Protoss the most strategical race over all? Lmao.. typical zerg whine. Let's not forget the most limited race is protoss.
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@iamthedave
You didn't watch Nestea's games vs Alive during IPL4 did you? Or DRG's muta play? Or leenock's zergling/baneling control?
DRG lost while building two ultralisk caverns because he was Playing shitty. MMA did do his multitask drops as well when he lost to leenock. I'm not sure you're being objective about this.
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what a crazy group, seriously.
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United States15275 Posts
Virus is a boss. I will be making a fan club shortly.
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when is it time for the sad zergling fanclub?
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Nestea played like trash last night against MC. Totally fail in both last games vs Virus as well.
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Is it just me or is it every time a nerd baller like virus crushes a fan-boy favorite like nestea there are dozens of pages of balance whine in the LR thread.
Get over it nerds, virus outplayed him. st8 up.
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On April 15 2012 01:48 Denzil wrote:
when is it time for the sad zergling fanclub?
When was the last time Zerg won a gsl?
When was the last time a Zerg was not a gsl finalist?
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Zergs right now are in a shitty spot in the metagame; both terrains and protosses have them figured out. Terrans have learned to deal with mutalisks, infestors, and broodlords. Toss have also learned how to beat the quick 3 base style of Zerg consistently. Once Zerg refigures out these things we'll see a rise in their representation. Additionally, mos high level pro-zergs have been going to a lot of foreign tournaments. This makes them play shittier when their counterparts are practicing. Too early to call imbalance when even a simple change to maps can make a huge change to the metagame.
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MC is the only Protoss manhandling zerg left an right. He has yet to be beaten in a PvZ 2012. The overall match up slightly favours Zerg, so don't think PvZ is unplayable for the swarm
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Stop!! Why do you guys keep forgetting who the top zerg is? The one who helped TheSTC practice for his match against DRG? Remember him???
Lol just kidding broz, no hate...
But seriously, gratz MC!
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