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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
April 11 2012 12:57 GMT
#1881
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 13:00:39
April 11 2012 12:59 GMT
#1882
On April 11 2012 21:57 bittman wrote:
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?

There´s just no way to predict this. If HOTS is gonna hit, everything will be shaken apart again. There will be a new beta, units need to get balanced again. So it probably will be like early GSL all over again. This can be exciting, but also very frustrating to watch. I for one think that it´s good, because there are too many units in SC2 right now that don´t make any sense and don´t help the game at all.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 11 2012 13:01 GMT
#1883
On April 11 2012 21:57 bittman wrote:
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?

i doubt anyone will call them 3 kings, but they definetly are the standout players of sc2 so far.

And its FAR to early to say anything about 5 dragons etc, atm the only 1 of those players to dominate for even more than a month or two is mc
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
April 11 2012 13:02 GMT
#1884
On April 11 2012 21:44 icandothisallyear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:37 0ne wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:34 icandothisallyear wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:32 0ne wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:31 Azzur wrote:
Anyways, sad day for the terrans... 2 protosses advancing

It might the first sad terran day ever!

Yea, last season was so different for them, oh wait.

Do you mean when 2 terrans made it to the semifinals?

No, I mean Jjakji, Ganzi, Nada, Keen, Bomber and sC all being eliminated due to TvPs.


Uhh i'm more than 100% sure ... sC was eliminated by DRG, Bomber by Curious
also Oz and Brown were eliminated by a terran. You also state it "due to TvPs" what like they all deserved to move on until they had to play a protoss then their hopes were crushed??
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
April 11 2012 13:02 GMT
#1885
On April 11 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:57 bittman wrote:
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?

i doubt anyone will call them 3 kings, but they definetly are the standout players of sc2 so far.

And its FAR to early to say anything about 5 dragons etc, atm the only 1 of those players to dominate for even more than a month or two is mc


what about mvp?
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
April 11 2012 13:03 GMT
#1886
On April 11 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:57 bittman wrote:
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?

i doubt anyone will call them 3 kings, but they definetly are the standout players of sc2 so far.

And its FAR to early to say anything about 5 dragons etc, atm the only 1 of those players to dominate for even more than a month or two is mc


Exactly... and even now MC doesn't look dragon like, he wins some he loses some, same with Oz and Genius just rose from no where after being out the spotlight for a while etc..
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
April 11 2012 13:03 GMT
#1887
this is the season of NESTEA!
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
April 11 2012 13:05 GMT
#1888
On April 11 2012 22:02 trwkling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:57 bittman wrote:
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?

i doubt anyone will call them 3 kings, but they definetly are the standout players of sc2 so far.

And its FAR to early to say anything about 5 dragons etc, atm the only 1 of those players to dominate for even more than a month or two is mc


what about mvp?


In BW the 5 dragons were all protosses who dominated a time, Stork, Bisu, Best, Free, Kal and Janbi (there were 6 btw)
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#1889
On April 11 2012 22:03 Devise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:57 bittman wrote:
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?

i doubt anyone will call them 3 kings, but they definetly are the standout players of sc2 so far.

And its FAR to early to say anything about 5 dragons etc, atm the only 1 of those players to dominate for even more than a month or two is mc


Exactly... and even now MC doesn't look dragon like, he wins some he loses some, same with Oz and Genius just rose from no where after being out the spotlight for a while etc..

yeah, no one yet has dominated sc2 in the same way people did in BW
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
6BiT
Profile Joined December 2011
513 Posts
April 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#1890
On April 11 2012 21:38 iSunrise wrote:He needs to invest less in his rally play and do some drop play like MMA or MKP. It´s pretty sad watching him play, his great micro and macro abilities going completely to waste here. He could do a lot better


A good way of putting it.

He has shown some excellent play when going for the longer macro game (vs Parting game 1, or game 1 vs Leenock last season being a couple of examples), his micro/control is top notch more often than not.

Was expecting a few timing pushes today, but I thought it'd be less marine based. His map choices seemed abit odd aswell, especially dual sight. The few games of his I've seen on dual sight have been Fin trying an all in that gets decimated.

He's shown a few cool timings on Metropolis, and is pretty solid on Antiga.

But yeah you are right, it does feel like his playing ability is going to waste when he does those 5rax MM timings that end up turning into all ins.

Seems Forgg wants to end games before storm is out (well it felt like that from my end after game 1 vs Parting).
stuff & things
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
April 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#1891
ForGG's new name: "ForCodeA"
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 11 2012 13:07 GMT
#1892
On April 11 2012 22:05 Devise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 22:02 trwkling wrote:
On April 11 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:57 bittman wrote:
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?

i doubt anyone will call them 3 kings, but they definetly are the standout players of sc2 so far.

And its FAR to early to say anything about 5 dragons etc, atm the only 1 of those players to dominate for even more than a month or two is mc


what about mvp?


In BW the 5 dragons were all protosses who dominated a time, Stork, Bisu, Best, Free, Kal and Janbi (there were 6 btw)

wasnt reach toss?
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
April 11 2012 13:08 GMT
#1893
On April 11 2012 22:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 22:05 Devise wrote:
On April 11 2012 22:02 trwkling wrote:
On April 11 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:57 bittman wrote:
Protoss doing decently lately. Are we going to have some sort of 5 dragons period for sc2?

Parting, Squirtle, MC, Oz, Genius? I can dream haha.

Does anyone ever wonder what the metagame will look like in a few years time as 'the past'? I wonder whether the early GSL seasons will be looked at as "the period of the 3 kings" with Nestea, MVP and MC?

i doubt anyone will call them 3 kings, but they definetly are the standout players of sc2 so far.

And its FAR to early to say anything about 5 dragons etc, atm the only 1 of those players to dominate for even more than a month or two is mc


what about mvp?


In BW the 5 dragons were all protosses who dominated a time, Stork, Bisu, Best, Free, Kal and Janbi (there were 6 btw)

Ya reach was toss, but it was these 6 who really controlled the scene http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Six_Dragons



wasnt reach toss?
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
April 11 2012 13:09 GMT
#1894
Protossu op :D
Would be cool to see Fin performing well, but...
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 11 2012 13:09 GMT
#1895
On April 11 2012 22:02 Devise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:44 icandothisallyear wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:37 0ne wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:34 icandothisallyear wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:32 0ne wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:31 Azzur wrote:
Anyways, sad day for the terrans... 2 protosses advancing

It might the first sad terran day ever!

Yea, last season was so different for them, oh wait.

Do you mean when 2 terrans made it to the semifinals?

No, I mean Jjakji, Ganzi, Nada, Keen, Bomber and sC all being eliminated due to TvPs.


Uhh i'm more than 100% sure ... sC was eliminated by DRG, Bomber by Curious
also Oz and Brown were eliminated by a terran. You also state it "due to TvPs" what like they all deserved to move on until they had to play a protoss then their hopes were crushed??

Yup, Bomber & sC fell victim to TvZ, and Jjakji/GanZi/Nada/Keen were all in PartinG's groups, so his argument is partially wrong, and partially irrelevant.
Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
April 11 2012 13:19 GMT
#1896
I kind of see how PvT late game favors protoss. But one must also consider that early game favors terran. A fair argument is that at higher skill level late game is more important than early game, as it is easier to just defend through any pressure. Or maybe I'm saying that as a zerg since we are a reactive-defensive race and all. Let's just say protoss is no longer underpowered. It would take a couple of PvP finals to raise concerns, but for now balance is nearly perfect and best players win. I did root for GG/Polt, however .
PIJAMA
Profile Joined February 2009
Brazil137 Posts
April 11 2012 13:20 GMT
#1897
TOSS FIGHTING!!! :D
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
April 11 2012 13:25 GMT
#1898
On April 11 2012 21:56 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:41 Adreme wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:33 Niteblade_ wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O



Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no?


Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ?



http://i.imgur.com/VCQcQh.png

Terran have a 61% winrate vs toss for the month of march, in korea....

Even international + Korea is 54%

Does that reflect the state of TvP better?


Win rates have always and will always be a stupid way to judge balance. One balance is really a map to map thing because each map has builds that are stronger than others on it. Secondly that poorly controlled 1 base collosus build and that awesome game 1 where he managed to hold out on 1 less base the entire game both count as 1 win and 1 loss statistically.

The game isnt so broken that it usually isnt just a map that is bad for a certain race or a build is really powerful for a month or 2 which leads to a lot of players looking ridiculously good then hitting a setback as there build is figured out. Case in point remember DRGs 2 base muta into double expand build that gave him a 75-80% TvZ winrate for like 2 months then it got figured out and he dipped back down to earth.

At least admit that if overall statistics give a big advantage for the terrans and if big tournaments also do, then it may be that at the very least terrans are not underpowered. Here I feel like when a terran win he always deserved it, but when it's a protoss it's like, "well there is no way terrans can win over OP protoss", even if the terrans are still doing overall better than any other races in competitions. When it's a toss who lose, most of the time it's the player who screwed, and most of the protoss supporters here don't even complain about that. But man, at the very very least, stop whining whereas terrans are still favored in stats.


I remember back when the win rate for terran was about 10 points higher in TvP than it is now and people were calling TvP "the most balanced mu in all of sc2" Pre the short 1-1-1 era that was all your heard from people when they talked about balanced. TvZ hadnt settled yet ZvP was going thru dramatic swings but TvP was the balanced mu. When the win rate is worse for protoss and its considered balanced by even protoss than that shows how little the statistics matter.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 11 2012 13:27 GMT
#1899
On April 11 2012 22:25 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:56 samurai80 wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:41 Adreme wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:33 Niteblade_ wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O



Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no?


Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ?



http://i.imgur.com/VCQcQh.png

Terran have a 61% winrate vs toss for the month of march, in korea....

Even international + Korea is 54%

Does that reflect the state of TvP better?


Win rates have always and will always be a stupid way to judge balance. One balance is really a map to map thing because each map has builds that are stronger than others on it. Secondly that poorly controlled 1 base collosus build and that awesome game 1 where he managed to hold out on 1 less base the entire game both count as 1 win and 1 loss statistically.

The game isnt so broken that it usually isnt just a map that is bad for a certain race or a build is really powerful for a month or 2 which leads to a lot of players looking ridiculously good then hitting a setback as there build is figured out. Case in point remember DRGs 2 base muta into double expand build that gave him a 75-80% TvZ winrate for like 2 months then it got figured out and he dipped back down to earth.

At least admit that if overall statistics give a big advantage for the terrans and if big tournaments also do, then it may be that at the very least terrans are not underpowered. Here I feel like when a terran win he always deserved it, but when it's a protoss it's like, "well there is no way terrans can win over OP protoss", even if the terrans are still doing overall better than any other races in competitions. When it's a toss who lose, most of the time it's the player who screwed, and most of the protoss supporters here don't even complain about that. But man, at the very very least, stop whining whereas terrans are still favored in stats.


I remember back when the win rate for terran was about 10 points higher in TvP than it is now and people were calling TvP "the most balanced mu in all of sc2" Pre the short 1-1-1 era that was all your heard from people when they talked about balanced. TvZ hadnt settled yet ZvP was going thru dramatic swings but TvP was the balanced mu. When the win rate is worse for protoss and its considered balanced by even protoss than that shows how little the statistics matter.

its fairly balanced at low level, but at high level it _heavily_ favours terran. Terran just has so many little things that benefit a lot from good micro, while protoss is largely a 1a race, same as zerg, you cant micro zealots like you can bio
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
April 11 2012 13:27 GMT
#1900
On April 11 2012 22:06 mikedebo wrote:
ForGG's new name: "ForCodeA"


I LOL'd pretty hard!

BTW, can anyone recommend games from the first two series? I can see the first match of Parting vs Fin is looking good, along with game 2 of Polt vs Oz...
"more gg, more skill"
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