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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
April 11 2012 15:02 GMT
#1921
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
April 11 2012 15:02 GMT
#1922
On April 11 2012 22:57 tdt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2012 21:32 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:25 pdd wrote: On April 11 2012 21:21 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote: On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote: TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no? Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ? The terrans who won these competitions won PvTs on the way there. Also terran is 60-40% over toss in Korea and 54-46% over toss internationally. What the hell more do you want? 70-30? 80-20? Terrans are more flexible and have better tools to win in the early-mid game. Issue is Protosses can win in the early-mid game just as much as Terran can (just look at today for example, with that 8 gate after quick 2nd expo build). The game seems somewhat balanced in that sense, and Protosses are learning to deal with those early-mid game timings. It's virtually impossible for Terran to win when Protosses get up to late game Colossi-chargelot- archon-templar compositions. That's just frustrating to watch as a viewer. (I mostly play Protoss) Not true at all. Terran still win a lot more in the mid game. 1-1-1 may be 'figured' out in terms of what you're supposed to do but that doesn't make it easy to defend. It's like ZvP in that respect. The fact is terran are still winning more in Korea and internationally. Start whining again when their winrates drop below 50% against protoss. lol even appraching 50% and still majority in GSL they whine like crazy I'd like to see them <45% which protoss put up with for months and 5-6 in GSL. They'd probably go on suicide watch. Sorry, but I will never have sympathy for protoss. They've been the master cheese race since Beta and half of their army doesn't require micro-- (zealots, archons, collosi). The more work you put in, the more dividends you'll see. User was warned for this post | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
April 11 2012 15:11 GMT
#1923
On April 12 2012 00:02 xrapture wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2012 22:57 tdt wrote: On April 11 2012 21:32 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:25 pdd wrote: On April 11 2012 21:21 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote: On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote: TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no? Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ? The terrans who won these competitions won PvTs on the way there. Also terran is 60-40% over toss in Korea and 54-46% over toss internationally. What the hell more do you want? 70-30? 80-20? Terrans are more flexible and have better tools to win in the early-mid game. Issue is Protosses can win in the early-mid game just as much as Terran can (just look at today for example, with that 8 gate after quick 2nd expo build). The game seems somewhat balanced in that sense, and Protosses are learning to deal with those early-mid game timings. It's virtually impossible for Terran to win when Protosses get up to late game Colossi-chargelot- archon-templar compositions. That's just frustrating to watch as a viewer. (I mostly play Protoss) Not true at all. Terran still win a lot more in the mid game. 1-1-1 may be 'figured' out in terms of what you're supposed to do but that doesn't make it easy to defend. It's like ZvP in that respect. The fact is terran are still winning more in Korea and internationally. Start whining again when their winrates drop below 50% against protoss. lol even appraching 50% and still majority in GSL they whine like crazy I'd like to see them <45% which protoss put up with for months and 5-6 in GSL. They'd probably go on suicide watch. Sorry, but I will never have sympathy for protoss. They've been the master cheese race since Beta and half of their army doesn't require micro-- (zealots, archons, collosi). The more work you put in, the more dividends you'll see. Actually, protoss was all about timing attacks. Terran are the cheese race, do you not remember BitbyBit? | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States43726 Posts
April 11 2012 15:13 GMT
#1924
On April 12 2012 00:02 xrapture wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2012 22:57 tdt wrote: On April 11 2012 21:32 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:25 pdd wrote: On April 11 2012 21:21 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote: On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote: On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote: TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no? Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ? The terrans who won these competitions won PvTs on the way there. Also terran is 60-40% over toss in Korea and 54-46% over toss internationally. What the hell more do you want? 70-30? 80-20? Terrans are more flexible and have better tools to win in the early-mid game. Issue is Protosses can win in the early-mid game just as much as Terran can (just look at today for example, with that 8 gate after quick 2nd expo build). The game seems somewhat balanced in that sense, and Protosses are learning to deal with those early-mid game timings. It's virtually impossible for Terran to win when Protosses get up to late game Colossi-chargelot- archon-templar compositions. That's just frustrating to watch as a viewer. (I mostly play Protoss) Not true at all. Terran still win a lot more in the mid game. 1-1-1 may be 'figured' out in terms of what you're supposed to do but that doesn't make it easy to defend. It's like ZvP in that respect. The fact is terran are still winning more in Korea and internationally. Start whining again when their winrates drop below 50% against protoss. lol even appraching 50% and still majority in GSL they whine like crazy I'd like to see them <45% which protoss put up with for months and 5-6 in GSL. They'd probably go on suicide watch. Sorry, but I will never have sympathy for protoss. They've been the master cheese race since Beta and half of their army doesn't require micro-- (zealots, archons, collosi). The more work you put in, the more dividends you'll see. I think there's plenty of cheese to go around, thanks. Every race has tons of cheesy strategies. And besides, cheese is part of the game, so I still don't know how that's a problem. And Terran has the highest skill ceiling, which is why we've been seeing more top Terran players than Zerg or Protoss. Terran is the race that apparently rewards having the best mechanics. It's ridiculous to think that all the Terrans in the GSL merely work harder than their Zerg or Protoss counterparts. You don't merely pick a race because you're lazy. | ||
KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
April 11 2012 15:24 GMT
#1925
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
April 11 2012 15:25 GMT
#1926
On April 11 2012 23:30 L3g3nd_ wrote: I see on reddit most upvoted post from todays gsl is about tasteless being a bad caster? what do you guys think? Personally i love him and his casting, he goes so well with artosis, and artosis with him. Opinions on caster's will always vary from person to person. I don't really care for Wolf's casting but I really enjoy Khaldor's. Some people feel the exact opposite. Bitterdam is probably my favorite casting duo right now, and Apollo is my favorite analyst. For others it may be way different. I don't really like Tasteless' casting anymore though. He just goes off on random shit half the time and the other half he's just doing play by play that lots of other casters do just as well as him. | ||
whiterabbit
2675 Posts
April 11 2012 15:26 GMT
#1927
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
April 11 2012 15:26 GMT
#1928
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
April 11 2012 15:34 GMT
#1929
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
April 11 2012 15:38 GMT
#1930
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
April 11 2012 15:39 GMT
#1931
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
April 11 2012 15:43 GMT
#1932
On April 12 2012 00:39 Falconblade wrote: Lol, after the countless people hyping Polt, and Fionn mercilessly drooling, he falls to ro48.... ...how was that supposed to increase his chances in any way? >.> | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States43726 Posts
April 11 2012 15:44 GMT
#1933
On April 12 2012 00:43 HaXXspetten wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2012 00:39 Falconblade wrote: Lol, after the countless people hyping Polt, and Fionn mercilessly drooling, he falls to ro48.... ...how was that supposed to increase his chances in any way? >.> I thought that's the reason why he lost... | ||
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
April 11 2012 15:46 GMT
#1934
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
April 11 2012 16:05 GMT
#1935
On April 12 2012 00:46 Bagration wrote: Wow, another last place finish for a seeded player, and he wasn't even a foreigner... yea, it's getting pretty silly, especially since Polt had just got knocked down to Code B. Not to mention any foreigner they invite is going to be the worst player in Code S. Since there isn't an exchange program I think they should do away with the seeds and let someone earn the spot. I commend them for trying to globalize their market, but it's obvious foreigners are simply outclassed by Koreans. | ||
Geegeez
Canada226 Posts
April 11 2012 16:08 GMT
#1936
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Forbidden17
666 Posts
April 11 2012 16:08 GMT
#1937
On April 12 2012 00:46 Bagration wrote: Wow, another last place finish for a seeded player, and he wasn't even a foreigner... =[ to be fair he lost to the two current best protosses in the world and one of them is reknowned for his pvt | ||
babylon
8765 Posts
April 11 2012 16:11 GMT
#1938
On April 12 2012 01:08 Geegeez wrote: Polt can beat MC regularly but loses to PartinG and Oz? Hmm... Parting's PvT is better than MC's and probably the best in the world right now. I wouldn't have expected him to lose to Oz though. | ||
Sabu113
United States11035 Posts
April 11 2012 16:20 GMT
#1939
I thought there would be more fuss about the super hyped ForGG not getting through after getting a much more... approachable group than last time. | ||
TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
April 11 2012 16:41 GMT
#1940
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