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This is not the place to talk about LoL viewership.

This is also not a place to caster bash/balance whine/flame, etc.

Please don't argue about how many views LoL has, or which game is better, or we will be upset.
(added page 174)

Also, lay off Scarlett please. (added page 227)
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 07 2012 09:57 GMT
#11561
Big sc2 tournaments will be all Korean soon. The western players need to stop slacking and their teams need to whip them. You will lose viewers if you don't.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 10:03:45
April 07 2012 10:02 GMT
#11562
gg JJakji and Byun make group D a group of death with 3 of my favourite players in it ><

Not sure if I can find any vods for them anywhere?
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 07 2012 10:02 GMT
#11563
fairplay to Scarlett, amazing run
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 10:08:35
April 07 2012 10:06 GMT
#11564
On April 07 2012 19:02 Asha` wrote:
gg JJakji and Byun make group D a group of death with 3 of my favourite players in it ><

Not sure if I can find any vods for them anywhere?

You can only find vods of broadcasted games on Pool play and Open bracket
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
April 07 2012 10:09 GMT
#11565
On April 07 2012 19:06 ragnorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 19:02 Asha` wrote:
gg JJakji and Byun make group D a group of death with 3 of my favourite players in it ><

Not sure if I can find any vods for them anywhere?

You can only find vods of broadcasted games on www.twitch.tv/ignproleague and www.twitch.tv/ignproleague2


yeah, i can't see it there but people seemed to be saying (at least in the Jjakji fc) that he at least had one series broadcast =(

oh well, I can watch Bomber vods at least ^^
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 07 2012 10:09 GMT
#11566
Huk and Sase were so close to making it to pools, that sucks =/
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
April 07 2012 10:09 GMT
#11567
damn, this tournament really overkilled on the Koreans.
They are better, so obviously they 100% deserve to be up there.

But it does take away a lot of fun for me if the championship bracket is Korean only (maybe Stephano can make it we will see).
When 2 koreans play eachother it brings good matches, but somehow I just can't 'connect' with any of them. I couldn't care less who actually ends up winning when 2 Koreans play.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 07 2012 10:11 GMT
#11568
On April 07 2012 18:31 Nifel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 18:27 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 07 2012 18:21 Nifel wrote:
To be honest, the amount of Koreans in IPL4 is probably the highest of any foreign tournament ever, and they're all signed pros while many of the foreigners seem to be unsigned and relatively unknown (we still saw some breakthroughs here).

Of course the Korean scene got a broader talent pool, and overall better players, but I see no reason to lose hope in the foreign scene and think of it as less legit just because of this event.

..meanwhile in Norway and Denmark you've got the top of the EU scene (with some exceptions) duking it out. The foreign scene is spread really thin due to tons of great events being scheduled in the worst possible way.


o___________________________O (Literally made this face in real life by the way, hard to believe but it really did happen)

Every foreigner at IPL4 is a big name besides Scarlett... the biggest names even.

And I've seen a list of players at these EU events this weekend and I promise not a single one stood a chance at making it into Pool Play. You either have to be crazy or not watch a whole lot of Starcraft (specifically the GSL and Korean play in general) to think that the foreign scene is even CLOSE to the Korean scene at this point.


I'm not saying it's close, I'm saying there's no point in losing hope in it since it can still produce legit contenders.

Perhaps I'm ignorant and clueless about the NA talent pool, if so please do enlighten me, but the first rounds of the open bracket in IPL4 contained a ton of names I've never heard of.

Like these: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_4/Open_Bracket

*edit*
What names are the biggest is really debatable, but Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain, Titan, Snute, Nerchio, Socke, Mana etc. are names as big as any foreign player at IPL4 (except for Stephano/HuK).


The only foreigner not at IPL that I see maybe making into Pools is Naniwa, but even that is a stretch. Thorzain could win a couple rounds but that is it (I do miss those days right after his stint with SlayerS though when he was on top of the foreign scene, and I don't even like the whole "foreign hope" concept). All I am getting at is the Pools would still look the same with or without the rest of those EU players, and if you don't make pools its almost like you didn't even attend this event sadly.

On April 07 2012 18:37 Giku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 18:27 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 07 2012 18:21 Nifel wrote:
To be honest, the amount of Koreans in IPL4 is probably the highest of any foreign tournament ever, and they're all signed pros while many of the foreigners seem to be unsigned and relatively unknown (we still saw some breakthroughs here).

Of course the Korean scene got a broader talent pool, and overall better players, but I see no reason to lose hope in the foreign scene and think of it as less legit just because of this event.

..meanwhile in Norway and Denmark you've got the top of the EU scene (with some exceptions) duking it out. The foreign scene is spread really thin due to tons of great events being scheduled in the worst possible way.


o___________________________O (Literally made this face in real life by the way, hard to believe but it really did happen)

Every foreigner at IPL4 is a big name besides Scarlett... the biggest names even.

And I've seen a list of players at these EU events this weekend and I promise not a single one stood a chance at making it into Pool Play. You either have to be crazy or not watch a whole lot of Starcraft (specifically the GSL and Korean play in general) to think that the foreign scene is even CLOSE to the Korean scene at this point.

You're still missing a lot of foreigners who could have a chance on IPL

Naniwa, Thorzain, maybe Grubby, Morrow and Happy could have taken a match vs some koreans


You should define "have a chance". "Have a chance" at winning a game or 2, sure why not, but as I said, Naniwa and Thorzain would have been the only foreigners missing that could have made a small run.

I should say that for myself even though I knew Sase and HuK were going deep into the bracket, I never once thought that they "had a chance" to make it into pools. Even if a decent foreigner gets a good matchup vs. a Korean here there is always a much tougher Korean waiting on the other side.


Sigh. I probably always make myself look like a huge Korean fanboy or something but I am just a fan of the best possible games and the whole foreign hope concept and people thinking players are better than they really are annoys me. I used to enjoy believing in it but all you get is disappointment from that line of thinking. >_< I mean it is fine if others want to keep up their hope but ah, whatever...
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
April 07 2012 10:13 GMT
#11569
On April 07 2012 19:09 Jakkerr wrote:
damn, this tournament really overkilled on the Koreans.
They are better, so obviously they 100% deserve to be up there.

But it does take away a lot of fun for me if the championship bracket is Korean only (maybe Stephano can make it we will see).
When 2 koreans play eachother it brings good matches, but somehow I just can't 'connect' with any of them. I couldn't care less who actually ends up winning when 2 Koreans play.

Speak for yourself. The more good players, the better, imo =)
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
April 07 2012 10:15 GMT
#11570
On April 07 2012 19:13 speknek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 19:09 Jakkerr wrote:
damn, this tournament really overkilled on the Koreans.
They are better, so obviously they 100% deserve to be up there.

But it does take away a lot of fun for me if the championship bracket is Korean only (maybe Stephano can make it we will see).
When 2 koreans play eachother it brings good matches, but somehow I just can't 'connect' with any of them. I couldn't care less who actually ends up winning when 2 Koreans play.

Speak for yourself. The more good players, the better, imo =)


He pretty much stated that he was speaking for himself....
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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
April 07 2012 10:17 GMT
#11571
On April 07 2012 19:13 speknek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 19:09 Jakkerr wrote:
damn, this tournament really overkilled on the Koreans.
They are better, so obviously they 100% deserve to be up there.

But it does take away a lot of fun for me if the championship bracket is Korean only (maybe Stephano can make it we will see).
When 2 koreans play eachother it brings good matches, but somehow I just can't 'connect' with any of them. I couldn't care less who actually ends up winning when 2 Koreans play.

Speak for yourself. The more good players, the better, imo =)


I'm pretty sure I spoke for myself?
I never said that's the way every1 should think, I just said what my opinion was.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
April 07 2012 10:20 GMT
#11572
Heh, for people saying some of the top EU players aren't here, many of them tried to qualify thru UK qualifiers or online but didn't make it. And I don't think they wanted to fly over to play in the open bracket especially with tournaments at EU. Although I think some of the EU players would have taken series off Koreans, don't think the outcome would be that different. Remember that Koreans like DRG, Genius, MVP (probably wrist issue) and many others didn't come and MMA, MKP, Nestea, etc were already in pools.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 07 2012 10:21 GMT
#11573
On April 07 2012 19:09 Jakkerr wrote:
damn, this tournament really overkilled on the Koreans.
They are better, so obviously they 100% deserve to be up there.

But it does take away a lot of fun for me if the championship bracket is Korean only (maybe Stephano can make it we will see).
When 2 koreans play eachother it brings good matches, but somehow I just can't 'connect' with any of them. I couldn't care less who actually ends up winning when 2 Koreans play.


Watch more GSL? Most of the current SC2 Korean pros have great personalities, you just aren't familiar with them and it certainly is more difficult to be familiar with them due to the different language and culture, but you should try atleast.

Best games + understanding the best players = lots of awesome :3
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 07 2012 10:22 GMT
#11574
Pretty sad that the big foreigner tournaments are basically all Korean now .
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
April 07 2012 10:25 GMT
#11575
Can someone give me the link for VODs? On IGN Proleague page at Twitch.tv, I only see vods for the open bracket.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
April 07 2012 10:25 GMT
#11576
On April 07 2012 19:22 Logros wrote:
Pretty sad that the big foreigner tournaments are basically all Korean now .

I feel pretty happy. I just get bored when I see foreigners playing because I know that I'm not watching the best.
What is up? IM NESTEAAAA!
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
April 07 2012 10:28 GMT
#11577
On April 07 2012 19:25 Bleak wrote:
Can someone give me the link for VODs? On IGN Proleague page at Twitch.tv, I only see vods for the open bracket.


http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/314129429
Heouf
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands787 Posts
April 07 2012 10:29 GMT
#11578
well a good day for the koreans in the open bracket!! And in the poolplay. Where are the foreigners???
Gokba Alhakel
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
April 07 2012 10:31 GMT
#11579
Don't understand all these don't relate to koreans bit. You almost think that a significant portion of the TL community thinks that they are from another planet or something.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 07 2012 10:31 GMT
#11580
On April 07 2012 19:11 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 18:31 Nifel wrote:
On April 07 2012 18:27 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 07 2012 18:21 Nifel wrote:
To be honest, the amount of Koreans in IPL4 is probably the highest of any foreign tournament ever, and they're all signed pros while many of the foreigners seem to be unsigned and relatively unknown (we still saw some breakthroughs here).

Of course the Korean scene got a broader talent pool, and overall better players, but I see no reason to lose hope in the foreign scene and think of it as less legit just because of this event.

..meanwhile in Norway and Denmark you've got the top of the EU scene (with some exceptions) duking it out. The foreign scene is spread really thin due to tons of great events being scheduled in the worst possible way.


o___________________________O (Literally made this face in real life by the way, hard to believe but it really did happen)

Every foreigner at IPL4 is a big name besides Scarlett... the biggest names even.

And I've seen a list of players at these EU events this weekend and I promise not a single one stood a chance at making it into Pool Play. You either have to be crazy or not watch a whole lot of Starcraft (specifically the GSL and Korean play in general) to think that the foreign scene is even CLOSE to the Korean scene at this point.


I'm not saying it's close, I'm saying there's no point in losing hope in it since it can still produce legit contenders.

Perhaps I'm ignorant and clueless about the NA talent pool, if so please do enlighten me, but the first rounds of the open bracket in IPL4 contained a ton of names I've never heard of.

Like these: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_4/Open_Bracket

*edit*
What names are the biggest is really debatable, but Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain, Titan, Snute, Nerchio, Socke, Mana etc. are names as big as any foreign player at IPL4 (except for Stephano/HuK).


The only foreigner not at IPL that I see maybe making into Pools is Naniwa, but even that is a stretch. Thorzain could win a couple rounds but that is it (I do miss those days right after his stint with SlayerS though when he was on top of the foreign scene, and I don't even like the whole "foreign hope" concept). All I am getting at is the Pools would still look the same with or without the rest of those EU players, and if you don't make pools its almost like you didn't even attend this event sadly.

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 18:37 Giku wrote:
On April 07 2012 18:27 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 07 2012 18:21 Nifel wrote:
To be honest, the amount of Koreans in IPL4 is probably the highest of any foreign tournament ever, and they're all signed pros while many of the foreigners seem to be unsigned and relatively unknown (we still saw some breakthroughs here).

Of course the Korean scene got a broader talent pool, and overall better players, but I see no reason to lose hope in the foreign scene and think of it as less legit just because of this event.

..meanwhile in Norway and Denmark you've got the top of the EU scene (with some exceptions) duking it out. The foreign scene is spread really thin due to tons of great events being scheduled in the worst possible way.


o___________________________O (Literally made this face in real life by the way, hard to believe but it really did happen)

Every foreigner at IPL4 is a big name besides Scarlett... the biggest names even.

And I've seen a list of players at these EU events this weekend and I promise not a single one stood a chance at making it into Pool Play. You either have to be crazy or not watch a whole lot of Starcraft (specifically the GSL and Korean play in general) to think that the foreign scene is even CLOSE to the Korean scene at this point.

You're still missing a lot of foreigners who could have a chance on IPL

Naniwa, Thorzain, maybe Grubby, Morrow and Happy could have taken a match vs some koreans


You should define "have a chance". "Have a chance" at winning a game or 2, sure why not, but as I said, Naniwa and Thorzain would have been the only foreigners missing that could have made a small run.

I should say that for myself even though I knew Sase and HuK were going deep into the bracket, I never once thought that they "had a chance" to make it into pools. Even if a decent foreigner gets a good matchup vs. a Korean here there is always a much tougher Korean waiting on the other side.


Sigh. I probably always make myself look like a huge Korean fanboy or something but I am just a fan of the best possible games and the whole foreign hope concept and people thinking players are better than they really are annoys me. I used to enjoy believing in it but all you get is disappointment from that line of thinking. >_< I mean it is fine if others want to keep up their hope but ah, whatever...

You are not a complete jerk after all. Best post I've read from you in a LONG while.
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