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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
March 28 2012 12:26 GMT
#1641
Wasn't this a muta map back when it was still very popular?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
SeventhPride
Profile Joined February 2012
712 Posts
March 28 2012 12:26 GMT
#1642
On March 28 2012 21:25 ThaSlayer wrote:
Why do Terrans always go double BFH after 2 rax pressure? I've seen sC go 2 fac siege tanks and its a lot beefer and safe vs all ins.

Because zerg has to pump money into slow lings after being 2 rax and they won't get gas since they want their economy up quickly.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 28 2012 12:26 GMT
#1643
I like aLive's decision to also get BF with his helions. He'll always want helions on the map to scout with and deny creep tumors and this makes them also way, way better in fights.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
March 28 2012 12:28 GMT
#1644
On March 28 2012 21:25 SeventhPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:23 MrCon wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:22 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:21 MrCon wrote:
If he chooses dual sight and falls to a 11/11, I'll die inside.

Its a proxy 11/11. Impossible to defend unless you scout and delay the rax.

But you don't need to scout. If you choose dual sight, you have to KNOW that you'll get 2 rax'ed.

Ahh.... I don't know man.. he probably didn't expect alive to bunker rush twice in a row since korean fans hate cheesy plays that are done to win back to back like when nestea got cheese to death and that player who got backlashed? Forgot his name, but he was flamed hardcore.

FnaticRC_Rain you mean?
maybe its in fnatics blood ;-)
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
March 28 2012 12:28 GMT
#1645
On March 28 2012 21:25 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:21 KristofferAG wrote:
(Z)LiquidZenio v (T)FnaticRC_aLive
1-1


Map:
Metropolis(Z)LiquidZenio
GSL Entombed Valley(T)FnaticRC_aLive
Dual Sight

5.00
(Z)Zenio spawning as the red zerg in the bottom left position.
(T)aLive spawning as the blue terran in the top right position.

Rax down on 12 at the ramp for aLive. SCV moving to the bottom right for aLive, placing down a Barracks on the right hand side.
Hatchery on 15 for Zenio.

Extrator follow up on 17 for Zenio, Spawning Pool on 16.
Marines moving out for aLive towards the natural of Zenio.

3 more SCVs moving out for aLive.
Two bunkers placed down for aLive as the Hatchery falls.

6 lings and 2 Queens coming in for Zenio. Metabolic Boost started.
A third bunker is placed at the bottom of the ramp for for Zenio.

The Natural is going to go down for Zenio.


10.00
Lings manage to take out some SCVs in the middle of the map as the hatchery goes down.
A CC is placed down for aLive.
As ling speed finishes for Zenio, the contain is broken.

Hatchery placed down immediately for Zenio.
aLive placing two bunkers in his main, as well as a Factory.

Zenio is trying to spread creep and getting up his drone count.
aLive manages to get into the main of Zenio and scouts the Hatch and the creep.

Tech lab added on the Barracks for Zenio, next to a Factory.
Zenio scouts the second CC from aLive.

Roach Warren placed down for Zenio as he takes the second geyser in his main.
Blue flame started for aLive, Hellion production on the way. Third CC on the way as well.

Baneling Nest placed down for Zenio as well as two Evolution Chambers.
Tripple Hellion production for aLive.

15.00
Hellions from aLive scout the Roaches.
Siege tank and tech started for aLive, along with Stimpak research.

Zenio gets a third base north of his main on the left hand. Lair started.
Combat Shields on the way for Zenio, also making some Marauders now.

1/1 started for Zenio.
Another Barracks added on.

Zenio tries to take another base on the bottom of the map.
Roach and Baneling Speed started for Zenio.
Double Engineering Bay placed down for aLive.

Infestation Pit is started.
Another Barracks added on. Hellions manage to take out maney Banelings, Zenio sets up for a Roach flank, but the Hellions make it out with minimal losses.

Creep spread from Zenio is really impressive.
Burrow and Pathogen Glands started for Zenio
1/1 started for aLive as he takes his third.

Zenio taking 4 more geysers.
Starport started for aLive. Third is scouted by Zenio.

Hellions run into the western base of Zenio and take out a large amount of Drones, but it's cleaned up.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
March 28 2012 12:29 GMT
#1646
On March 28 2012 21:22 SeventhPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:21 MrCon wrote:
If he chooses dual sight and falls to a 11/11, I'll die inside.

Its a proxy 11/11. Impossible to defend unless you scout and delay the rax.

Ye if you don't scout properly and 17-16 you deserve to die. Earlier pool holds it fine if you have some control.
SeventhPride
Profile Joined February 2012
712 Posts
March 28 2012 12:30 GMT
#1647
On March 28 2012 21:28 Heimatloser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:25 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:23 MrCon wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:22 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:21 MrCon wrote:
If he chooses dual sight and falls to a 11/11, I'll die inside.

Its a proxy 11/11. Impossible to defend unless you scout and delay the rax.

But you don't need to scout. If you choose dual sight, you have to KNOW that you'll get 2 rax'ed.

Ahh.... I don't know man.. he probably didn't expect alive to bunker rush twice in a row since korean fans hate cheesy plays that are done to win back to back like when nestea got cheese to death and that player who got backlashed? Forgot his name, but he was flamed hardcore.

FnaticRC_Rain you mean?
maybe its in fnatics blood ;-)

No idea, but its the guy who relied on 2 bunker all ins to win nestea. He got flamed hard after his won. He even had to apologise for it. Korean's hate cheesy wins. Once is cool , twice is annoying. Unless you are boxer.
mandigal
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany231 Posts
March 28 2012 12:30 GMT
#1648
Zenio knows that he is up one base and has the better economy, but still he doesn't build spines on his outside bases. Then blue flame Helions arive...
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
March 28 2012 12:30 GMT
#1649
On March 28 2012 21:23 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:22 MrCon wrote:
Why no pull drones ? wtf


its impossible to defend with 17 gas 16 pool, would lose drones and cant prevent bunkers form going up anyways

Well that's kinda the point, going dual sight then not scouting then 17g16p isn't very smart imo.
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
March 28 2012 12:31 GMT
#1650
Ultralisk cavern, broodlords, 3/3... but no adrenal glands.

What's wrong with all these pro zergs?
SeventhPride
Profile Joined February 2012
712 Posts
March 28 2012 12:31 GMT
#1651
On March 28 2012 21:29 speknek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:22 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:21 MrCon wrote:
If he chooses dual sight and falls to a 11/11, I'll die inside.

Its a proxy 11/11. Impossible to defend unless you scout and delay the rax.

Ye if you don't scout properly and 17-16 you deserve to die. Earlier pool holds it fine if you have some control.

Please tell me you are not one of those who thinks 14pool 15 hatch is better then 15 hatch 14 pool against 2 rax.. I would support 15hatch 14pool would be better against 11/11. But NOT pool before hatch, it sucks terribly.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 28 2012 12:31 GMT
#1652
This is the scariest moment for Zenio, if he manages to buy 2-3 more minutes of time he can potentially win, but it will be hard, and aLive is moving out.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
March 28 2012 12:32 GMT
#1653
On March 28 2012 21:30 SeventhPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:28 Heimatloser wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:25 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:23 MrCon wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:22 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:21 MrCon wrote:
If he chooses dual sight and falls to a 11/11, I'll die inside.

Its a proxy 11/11. Impossible to defend unless you scout and delay the rax.

But you don't need to scout. If you choose dual sight, you have to KNOW that you'll get 2 rax'ed.

Ahh.... I don't know man.. he probably didn't expect alive to bunker rush twice in a row since korean fans hate cheesy plays that are done to win back to back like when nestea got cheese to death and that player who got backlashed? Forgot his name, but he was flamed hardcore.

FnaticRC_Rain you mean?
maybe its in fnatics blood ;-)

No idea, but its the guy who relied on 2 bunker all ins to win nestea. He got flamed hard after his won. He even had to apologise for it. Korean's hate cheesy wins. Once is cool , twice is annoying. Unless you are boxer.


who cares, at the end of the day, they are all playing for money, right?

cheese or not, a victory is the only thing that matters
Mvp Moon Squirtle
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
March 28 2012 12:32 GMT
#1654
On March 28 2012 21:31 SeventhPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:29 speknek wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:22 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:21 MrCon wrote:
If he chooses dual sight and falls to a 11/11, I'll die inside.

Its a proxy 11/11. Impossible to defend unless you scout and delay the rax.

Ye if you don't scout properly and 17-16 you deserve to die. Earlier pool holds it fine if you have some control.

Please tell me you are not one of those who thinks 14pool 15 hatch is better then 15 hatch 14 pool against 2 rax.. I would support 15hatch 14pool would be better against 11/11. But NOT pool before hatch, it sucks terribly.

Yeah, not pool before hatch, but a fast pool after hatch.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
March 28 2012 12:32 GMT
#1655
On March 28 2012 21:28 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:25 KristofferAG wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:21 KristofferAG wrote:
(Z)LiquidZenio v (T)FnaticRC_aLive
1-1


Map:
Metropolis(Z)LiquidZenio
GSL Entombed Valley(T)FnaticRC_aLive
Dual Sight

5.00
(Z)Zenio spawning as the red zerg in the bottom left position.
(T)aLive spawning as the blue terran in the top right position.

Rax down on 12 at the ramp for aLive. SCV moving to the bottom right for aLive, placing down a Barracks on the right hand side.
Hatchery on 15 for Zenio.

Extrator follow up on 17 for Zenio, Spawning Pool on 16.
Marines moving out for aLive towards the natural of Zenio.

3 more SCVs moving out for aLive.
Two bunkers placed down for aLive as the Hatchery falls.

6 lings and 2 Queens coming in for Zenio. Metabolic Boost started.
A third bunker is placed at the bottom of the ramp for for Zenio.

The Natural is going to go down for Zenio.


10.00
Lings manage to take out some SCVs in the middle of the map as the hatchery goes down.
A CC is placed down for aLive.
As ling speed finishes for Zenio, the contain is broken.

Hatchery placed down immediately for Zenio.
aLive placing two bunkers in his main, as well as a Factory.

Zenio is trying to spread creep and getting up his drone count.
aLive manages to get into the main of Zenio and scouts the Hatch and the creep.

Tech lab added on the Barracks for Zenio, next to a Factory.
Zenio scouts the second CC from aLive.

Roach Warren placed down for Zenio as he takes the second geyser in his main.
Blue flame started for aLive, Hellion production on the way. Third CC on the way as well.

Baneling Nest placed down for Zenio as well as two Evolution Chambers.
Tripple Hellion production for aLive.

15.00
Hellions from aLive scout the Roaches.
Siege tank and tech started for aLive, along with Stimpak research.

Zenio gets a third base north of his main on the left hand. Lair started.
Combat Shields on the way for Zenio, also making some Marauders now.

1/1 started for Zenio.
Another Barracks added on.

Zenio tries to take another base on the bottom of the map.
Roach and Baneling Speed started for Zenio.
Double Engineering Bay placed down for aLive.

Infestation Pit is started.
Another Barracks added on. Hellions manage to take out maney Banelings, Zenio sets up for a Roach flank, but the Hellions make it out with minimal losses.

Creep spread from Zenio is really impressive.
Burrow and Pathogen Glands started for Zenio
1/1 started for aLive as he takes his third.

Zenio taking 4 more geysers.
Starport started for aLive. Third is scouted by Zenio.

Hellions run into the western base of Zenio and take out a large amount of Drones, but it's cleaned up.


20.00
2/2 on the way for Zenio as 1/1 finishes up for aLive. Hive tech started.
Armory placed down for Zenio as he tries to take a fifth, but it's taken out immediately by a group of marines.

Creep is now covering about half the map.
+1 mech attack started for aLive.

Spire finished up for Zenio, an attempted ling runby is stopped easily.
aLive has sieged up near the norther Xel'Naga Tower, manages to shell the Roaches standing there.

2/2 on the way for aLive
3/3 on the way for Zenio as Ultralisk Cavern and Greater Spire are being built.

Another Hatchery coming in on the bottom right expansion from Zenio.
Another CC placed down for aLive too. Pushing further on the left side.

A drop in the main of aLive spots the Greater Spire.
Brood lords are now on the way. Zerglings run into the natural of Zenio once again, managing to take out a Bunker, but not much else doing.

The fourth of Zenio finally go down, nice fungals keep the marines from running from the Brood lords.
Zenio retakes the western base.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 28 2012 12:32 GMT
#1656
Zenio is looking good
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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SeventhPride
Profile Joined February 2012
712 Posts
March 28 2012 12:33 GMT
#1657
On March 28 2012 21:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:31 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:29 speknek wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:22 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:21 MrCon wrote:
If he chooses dual sight and falls to a 11/11, I'll die inside.

Its a proxy 11/11. Impossible to defend unless you scout and delay the rax.

Ye if you don't scout properly and 17-16 you deserve to die. Earlier pool holds it fine if you have some control.

Please tell me you are not one of those who thinks 14pool 15 hatch is better then 15 hatch 14 pool against 2 rax.. I would support 15hatch 14pool would be better against 11/11. But NOT pool before hatch, it sucks terribly.

Yeah, not pool before hatch, but a fast pool after hatch.

Oh thank God.. yeah.. zenio screwed up by assuming alive would not try cheesing him. Really silly imo, since its the last game
Unfrozious
Profile Joined October 2011
France11 Posts
March 28 2012 12:33 GMT
#1658
MKP used to 2 rax a lot when he met Nestea during GSL Open Season 2 Finals (3 ? I dont remember) cause he knew he has great control and that he couldn't stand a chance against Nestea in a macro game.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
March 28 2012 12:34 GMT
#1659
On March 28 2012 21:30 SeventhPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:28 Heimatloser wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:25 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:23 MrCon wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:22 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 28 2012 21:21 MrCon wrote:
If he chooses dual sight and falls to a 11/11, I'll die inside.

Its a proxy 11/11. Impossible to defend unless you scout and delay the rax.

But you don't need to scout. If you choose dual sight, you have to KNOW that you'll get 2 rax'ed.

Ahh.... I don't know man.. he probably didn't expect alive to bunker rush twice in a row since korean fans hate cheesy plays that are done to win back to back like when nestea got cheese to death and that player who got backlashed? Forgot his name, but he was flamed hardcore.

FnaticRC_Rain you mean?
maybe its in fnatics blood ;-)

No idea, but its the guy who relied on 2 bunker all ins to win nestea. He got flamed hard after his won. He even had to apologise for it. Korean's hate cheesy wins. Once is cool , twice is annoying. Unless you are boxer.

rain did 1 bunker all-in and 2 scv-all-ins. so you probably dont mean him.
nah, just kidding. he didnt get flamed because of cheesing but because of the beating fan-favourite and reigning champion nestea with cheese . because he was a complete nobody, he didnt even play bw. and instead of doubtng the game, ppl began hating on rain. IMHO.
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 28 2012 12:34 GMT
#1660
GSL Semifinalist Curse!!!
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