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On March 08 2012 01:24 Tsubbi wrote: my god no matter how far foreigners get ahead they cant close it out vs the koreans this tourney
Dimaga wasn't really far ahead though. He took a risk by double expanding and it didn't pay off.
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On March 08 2012 01:19 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:18 nooboon wrote:On March 08 2012 01:13 jj33 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:11 Velr wrote:On March 08 2012 01:09 gozima wrote:On March 08 2012 00:58 Chrian wrote:On March 08 2012 00:56 WigglingSquid wrote: By chance, does Mr. Bitter play Zerg? His casting seems quite... biased. Plays zerg, doesn't follow Korean scene at all, generally massively biased towards European players he's friends with (DIMAGA, Kas etc.), and biased towards foreigners in general. I generally don't mind the bias, but he doesn't follow the Korean scene at all? This dude is getting paid and flown around the world to talk about starcraft, and he can't take a little extra time out of his day to watch a few GSL games? That's pathetic. Yeah.. Shame on him for actually "sleeping" and having a little "freetime". He obviously should use at least 22h of his day to watch SC2... OH please. take what he said and completely warp it. mrbitter is a "professional caster" any guy on TL who isn't a pro player or caster can follow the Korean scene casually and at least know some players and who are the up and comers etc. that caster is wilfully ignorant of the korean scene and yet hes supposed to be a professional caster. thats' just retarded. So someone can't be professional if they don't follow the korean scene? In terms of Starcraft, pretty much. If you don't have at least a decent knowledge of GSL, you shouldn't be casting SC2.
His job is pretty much to cast and follow the european scene and there's nothing wrong with focusing 100% on that.
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Im not sure, why do you make 15 mutas and just chill with them and kill a few random overlords? Yea sure he got the hatch (and lost his own in the trade) but he couldve harassed or at the very least scouted infestor tech?
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Zenio is such a zvz monster with really deep knowledge of how to handle all sorts of situations. Not the korean dimaga would want his tournament life to rest on.
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On March 08 2012 01:25 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:24 Tsubbi wrote: my god no matter how far foreigners get ahead they cant close it out vs the koreans this tourney Dimaga wasn't really far ahead though. He took a risk by double expanding and it didn't pay off.
dimaga was miles ahead, MILES with quicker spire and better eco
also didn't kill the overlord in front of his nat that saw the drone transfer to the right expansion, lost his 3rd vs 6 roaches with 12 mutas on the map, just fell apart
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On March 08 2012 01:25 Kreb wrote: Im not sure, why do you make 15 mutas and just chill with them and kill a few random overlords? Yea sure he got the hatch (and lost his own in the trade) but he couldve harassed or at the very least scouted infestor tech? He didn't because he knew there must have been infestors around. Trying to harass would have just ended like it eventually ended, with mutas overextending once and being chain-fungaled to death... just sooner.
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On March 08 2012 01:25 Kreb wrote: Im not sure, why do you make 15 mutas and just chill with them and kill a few random overlords? Yea sure he got the hatch (and lost his own in the trade) but he couldve harassed or at the very least scouted infestor tech? You go mutas so you have map control and can have a superior economy. Dimaga lost his third so he wasn't that ahead in economy.
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1. PuMa 4-0 8-2 2. Killer 3-1 8-5
3. Zenio 2-2 6-5 4. SeleCT 1-3 5-7
5. DIMAGA 1-3 4-8 6. MaNa 1-3 4-8
SeleCT 0:0 PuMa (no stream!?!?!) DIMAGA 0:1 Zenio MaNa 1:1 Killer
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On March 08 2012 01:26 Maghetti wrote: Zenio is such a zvz monster with really deep knowledge of how to handle all sorts of situations. Not the korean dimaga would want his tournament life to rest on.
I dont agree with that I think his ZvZ is his worst matchup by fare. His multitasking seems very slow sometimes in the matchup.
Watch Stephano vs Zenio NASL and you can really see his flawes
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On March 08 2012 01:24 Tsubbi wrote: my god no matter how far foreigners get ahead they cant close it out vs the koreans this tourney
Feast v SuperNova 2-0 DarkForce v Real 2-0 Idra v SuperNova 2-1 Feast v Real 2-0 Mana v Select 2-1 WhiteRa v MC 2-1 Elfi vs MC 2-1 Socke v JYP 2-0
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On March 08 2012 01:25 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:19 MCDayC wrote:On March 08 2012 01:18 nooboon wrote:On March 08 2012 01:13 jj33 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:11 Velr wrote:On March 08 2012 01:09 gozima wrote:On March 08 2012 00:58 Chrian wrote:On March 08 2012 00:56 WigglingSquid wrote: By chance, does Mr. Bitter play Zerg? His casting seems quite... biased. Plays zerg, doesn't follow Korean scene at all, generally massively biased towards European players he's friends with (DIMAGA, Kas etc.), and biased towards foreigners in general. I generally don't mind the bias, but he doesn't follow the Korean scene at all? This dude is getting paid and flown around the world to talk about starcraft, and he can't take a little extra time out of his day to watch a few GSL games? That's pathetic. Yeah.. Shame on him for actually "sleeping" and having a little "freetime". He obviously should use at least 22h of his day to watch SC2... OH please. take what he said and completely warp it. mrbitter is a "professional caster" any guy on TL who isn't a pro player or caster can follow the Korean scene casually and at least know some players and who are the up and comers etc. that caster is wilfully ignorant of the korean scene and yet hes supposed to be a professional caster. thats' just retarded. So someone can't be professional if they don't follow the korean scene? In terms of Starcraft, pretty much. If you don't have at least a decent knowledge of GSL, you shouldn't be casting SC2. His job is pretty much to cast and follow the european scene and there's nothing wrong with focusing 100% on that. So is there a ranking? Like if you have 80% knowledge of KR scene and 40% knowledge of european and 20% of us scene than u are allowed to cast? Would you mind sharing it with us?
On March 08 2012 01:28 Champloo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:24 Tsubbi wrote: my god no matter how far foreigners get ahead they cant close it out vs the koreans this tourney Feast v SuperNova 2-0 DarkForce v Real 2-0 Idra v SuperNova 2-1 Feast v Real 2-0 Mana v Select 2-1 WhiteRa v MC 2-1 Elfi vs MC 2-1 Socke v JYP 2-0 You forgot MMA vs ... oh ... wait.
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On March 08 2012 01:26 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:25 Bagration wrote:On March 08 2012 01:24 Tsubbi wrote: my god no matter how far foreigners get ahead they cant close it out vs the koreans this tourney Dimaga wasn't really far ahead though. He took a risk by double expanding and it didn't pay off. dimaga was miles ahead, MILES with quicker spire and better eco also didn't kill the overlord in front of his nat that saw the drone transfer to the right expansion, lost his 3rd vs 6 roaches with 12 mutas on the map, just fell apart
I guess we read that game differently. With Zenio going infestors against Dimaga's mutas, I got the impression that Dimaga had to do damage before the infestors came out in full force (which he did, killing a few queens and a 3rd). But Zenio also had much faster upgrades vs Dimaga.
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On March 08 2012 01:25 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:24 Tsubbi wrote: my god no matter how far foreigners get ahead they cant close it out vs the koreans this tourney Dimaga wasn't really far ahead though. He took a risk by double expanding and it didn't pay off.
Feast 2-0 supernova and real, i reckon they close it out in a dominating fashion :D
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Poor Dimaga. He deserve to play better. TT
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On March 08 2012 01:28 Champloo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:24 Tsubbi wrote: my god no matter how far foreigners get ahead they cant close it out vs the koreans this tourney Feast v SuperNova 2-0 DarkForce v Real 2-0 Idra v SuperNova 2-1 Feast v Real 2-0 Mana v Select 2-1 WhiteRa v MC 2-1 Elfi vs MC 2-1 Socke v JYP 2-0
true true, i was talking about the many games where foreigner got huge leads but still managed to lose, could've been even better for foreigners this tourney
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1. PuMa 4-0 8-2 2. Killer 3-1 8-5
3. Zenio 3-2 7-5
4. SeleCT 1-3 5-7 5. MaNa 1-3 4-8 6. DIMAGA 1-4 4-9
SeleCT 0:0 PuMa (no stream!?!?!) DIMAGA 0:2 Zenio MaNa 1:1 Killer
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Sad to see the last of the Ukrainians fall.
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group is decided now, bitter off again
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They keep saying Select can still advance..
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On March 08 2012 01:28 Benjamin80 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:26 Maghetti wrote: Zenio is such a zvz monster with really deep knowledge of how to handle all sorts of situations. Not the korean dimaga would want his tournament life to rest on. I dont agree with that I think his ZvZ is his worst matchup by fare. His multitasking seems very slow sometimes in the matchup. Watch Stephano vs Zenio NASL and you can really see his flawes
lol weakest matchup? Shows how much you know. ZvZ is the only matchup Zenio consistently wins.
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