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TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 12:39:03
February 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#2881
Might get the first Protoss GSL Champion in over 11months and Protoss imba balance whiners are out in full force already. It's this time last year all over again.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
February 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#2882
On February 08 2012 21:36 MorroW wrote:
now thats some awesome pvt to see the last few games
sad to see jjakji lose but im happy he lost in this fashion rather to some bullshit


Well i'm happy you're happy :p
Takuna
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany332 Posts
February 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#2883
This was definitely one of the better GSL days, can't wait for tomorrow
The spirits move me.
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
February 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#2884
Balance whining should be forbidden in these threads :/
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
February 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#2885
Incredible series' by those 2, best PvT I think I have ever seen, the last engagement could have gone either way but losing 8 ghosts to high templars is never good. I really do not see where people get off with the balance whining.
bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
February 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#2886
On February 08 2012 21:35 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 21:32 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:31 graNite wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:29 PapaJed wrote:
1A wins again against insane kiting micro. gratz.

It definitely had nothing to do with storms and positioning. Nope. You're right. Parting just 1A and took his hands off the keyboard.


go play toss and terran!
you will see that you have to micro terran much more than protoss.
you cant micro zealots, just send them in with 1a. and then the terran player has to micro all day to get rid of them or he will lose.

right click and s more difficult than setting up guardian shield + FF + pulling zealots back as they are being kiting too far, storming, etc?


Why would I right click then tell every unit to stop?

Maybe you need to rewatch that last engagement but there is no reason to pull back zealots when they can just eat marauders like that, similarly after the initial storms he didn't do anything else. Also I found his usage of Guardian Sheild and FF amazing with his zero sentries.


i thought ure saying in general PvT.
but if u are referring to game 2, i dont really see any insane kiting by jjakji would have saved him from dying.
His supply went from 200 to 130 when he just attack up that ramp, all the ghosts and scvs got stormed and roasted. basically he lost from that point, parting can 1a and win and why would u blame him from doing that?
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
February 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#2887
On February 08 2012 21:38 Hakanfrog wrote:
Balance whining should be forbidden in these threads :/


Oh but it is, that's the funny thing. People just never learn :p
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
February 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#2888
On February 08 2012 21:36 ChaosTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 21:32 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:31 graNite wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:29 PapaJed wrote:
1A wins again against insane kiting micro. gratz.

It definitely had nothing to do with storms and positioning. Nope. You're right. Parting just 1A and took his hands off the keyboard.


go play toss and terran!
you will see that you have to micro terran much more than protoss.
you cant micro zealots, just send them in with 1a. and then the terran player has to micro all day to get rid of them or he will lose.

right click and s more difficult than setting up guardian shield + FF + pulling zealots back as they are being kiting too far, storming, etc?


Yes it is more "difficult" because it takes forever until you can do something else, you cast guardian shield done, you a move zealots done, you storm done... now do something else. terran? kite, kite, kite, kite, kite, kite... cant macro... kite, kite. kite. kite....


Ummmm terran can totally macro while kiting I am sorry you cant.

Protoss cant no matter how good they get accept out of not warp gates.
twitch.tv/medrea
pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
February 08 2012 12:39 GMT
#2889
On February 08 2012 21:34 Resolve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 21:31 Cramsy wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:30 Resolve wrote:
does mass cloaked ghost + viking + scan work against protoss? i saw empire.happy do it against creator that time and it worked really well... maybe more terrans should try it?


This just happened but they all died to storms anyway

hm... didn't see how jjakji played it but i thought snipe + scans should be good against that, guess not :\

by mass = 24+ ghosts?


He played it like this:
Step 1:
He scanned the army thought there were no observer. He ran all his cloaked ghosts in to the protoss army.
Step 2:
There were a observer, he got stormed to hell and all his ghost died after casting like 4 emps.
Step 3:
His tier 1.5 units died to like 8 archons and ~20 zealots.

Conclusion:
Obviously not a valid strat lategame!
If you can chill.. Chill!
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
February 08 2012 12:39 GMT
#2890
On February 08 2012 21:36 Leporello wrote:
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On February 08 2012 21:35 dragoonier wrote:
What a lot of people missed was the huge worker count difference in the later part of the game. It was 45 to 71 in favor of Parting. So it wasn't very surprising that Parting could lose his whole army and still win.

Stop interrupting the whining hyperbole with your facts.


Jjakji had at least three orbitals, I didn't bother looking to see if he had macro orbitals. Still, even with three that's three MULEs constantly and therefore +12 to workers.


On February 08 2012 21:34 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 21:33 beute wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:29 PapaJed wrote:
1A wins again against insane kiting micro. gratz.

running 10 ghosts into storms = insane kiting micro (not that kiting is anything special anyway)
[image loading]

lol i wonder if he scanned before walking up that ramp, if he did, he made a bad decision.


He scanned, saw no observer, cloaked his ghosts and then moved them up the ramp in to blind storms from Parting.
@followMVT
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 08 2012 12:39 GMT
#2891
pvt today: 6-1. Nice day to be protoss.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 12:40:33
February 08 2012 12:40 GMT
#2892
On February 08 2012 21:30 Daigomi wrote:
Absolutely beautiful game. SC2 is getting closer and closer to BW by the day, and it's all because the players are getting better and the maps are getting better. Players are no longer losing to straightforward attacks, or losing the moment they fall behind. Awesome to watch.

I agree Today is like the GSL Octobver TvZ day, when all TvZ were suddenly on a level never seen before with Nestea vs Virus, Ganzi vs Leenock and DRG vs Supernova. Every single TvZ that day was just shockingly good and made me believe in sc2, and now I feel the same with TvP, awesome.
There was a Wed, October 5 TvZ day, there is now a Wed, February 8 TvP day
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
February 08 2012 12:40 GMT
#2893
On February 08 2012 21:37 Destructicon wrote:
That engagement looked plain wrong. The HT only stormed the ghosts and then died, the Archons where EMPed, the Colossus where destroyed fast, and yet despite all this a mass of chargelots cleaned it all up. I was scratching my head trying to figure out how or if Jjakji made any mistake in that engagement.

Also, to the ignorant out there saying this is going to kill mass bio, and lead to a multi-tasking style, no it won't. Toss has learned how to deal with it by placing cannons and HT at expansions, if you split your bio ball you'll just have it die piece by piece instead of all of it at once. There is also no other style apart from Bio that works against P because mech TvP is broken.

Looking forward to see how Terrans bounce back from this, Protoss is now shaping up to be a way way bigger threat than Zerg or other Terrans.


2base all ins seem to be the best way to defeat a toss at this lvl. I can't remember the last time I saw a Terran winning a 20+minute TvP. The match up is fine statistically but horrible to play.
Zest fanboy.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
February 08 2012 12:40 GMT
#2894
--- Nuked ---
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
February 08 2012 12:40 GMT
#2895
On February 08 2012 21:36 Fionn wrote:
People complain too much. You just got probably the best TvP series in GSL history (maybe SC2 history with Puma/MC and MC/Thorzain), a best-of-seven basically (Parting 4 - 1 Jjakji) and people are complaining about balance.


It seems like terran in sc2 needs to have developed mech tvp because apparently protoss can hide behind blanket storms, while terran needs desperatly to counter spell it if they dont they die, both races should have been able to fall back behind something. Because apparently fucking up and winning produce the best games (and its true both bw/sc2), so if 2 races could fuck up and continue it would be better. Mech it happen HOTS.
Stork[gm]
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
February 08 2012 12:40 GMT
#2896
On February 08 2012 21:35 Quintum_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 21:32 Logros wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:31 Kommander wrote:
After many months of templars being EMP'ed to shit......I have to say, those massive storms of death Parting unleashed on those ghosts......REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED COLD

Haha I think every Protoss player was savoring that moment .


I think Terran just need to split there army more so storms don't hit the whole bio ball.

*trollface*

Now that sounds mighty familiar does it not.



ROFL
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
February 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#2897
On February 08 2012 21:38 Hakanfrog wrote:
Balance whining should be forbidden in these threads :/

It is. I don't know why the mods have been so passive today.
What a player
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#2898
On February 08 2012 21:38 Hakanfrog wrote:
Balance whining should be forbidden in these threads :/


It is, don't worry. Mods are aware of the bullshit going on
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
February 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#2899
On February 08 2012 21:39 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 21:36 Leporello wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:35 dragoonier wrote:
What a lot of people missed was the huge worker count difference in the later part of the game. It was 45 to 71 in favor of Parting. So it wasn't very surprising that Parting could lose his whole army and still win.

Stop interrupting the whining hyperbole with your facts.


Jjakji had at least three orbitals, I didn't bother looking to see if he had macro orbitals. Still, even with three that's three MULEs constantly and therefore +12 to workers.


Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 21:34 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:33 beute wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:29 PapaJed wrote:
1A wins again against insane kiting micro. gratz.

running 10 ghosts into storms = insane kiting micro (not that kiting is anything special anyway)
[image loading]

lol i wonder if he scanned before walking up that ramp, if he did, he made a bad decision.


He scanned, saw no observer, cloaked his ghosts and then moved them up the ramp in to blind storms from Parting.


Still not even on macro, and then there was the mass of Ghosts getting stormed.

It was a really close game. Could've gone either way a couple of times.
Big water
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
February 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#2900
On February 08 2012 21:39 pAzand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 21:34 Resolve wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:31 Cramsy wrote:
On February 08 2012 21:30 Resolve wrote:
does mass cloaked ghost + viking + scan work against protoss? i saw empire.happy do it against creator that time and it worked really well... maybe more terrans should try it?


This just happened but they all died to storms anyway

hm... didn't see how jjakji played it but i thought snipe + scans should be good against that, guess not :\

by mass = 24+ ghosts?


He played it like this:
Step 1:
He scanned the army thought there were no observer. He ran all his cloaked ghosts in to the protoss army.
Step 2:
There were a observer, he got stormed to hell and all his ghost died after casting like 4 emps.
Step 3:
His tier 1.5 units died to like 8 archons and ~20 zealots.

Conclusion:
Obviously not a valid strat lategame!


And what is then ? Mech and air dies just as fast but replenishes way slower . If you lose even 1 engagement you are dead . It's hard with Bio but impossible with anything else . You can't kill the 20+ Warped in Zealots with just some scraps you just got .
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