On February 14 2012 05:22 Jakkerr wrote: If naniwa got punished by GOM, Idra should get punished by NASL. Just never invite Idra again for showmatches, there's no point in inviting him.
i totally agree with that.Idra is bm AND bad so lstop invite him....
it's not about good play, but about viewer numbers. you watched and probably would again
NASL perhaps get a decent ammount of viewers for 45 mins. But say 3/4 of thoes would have tuned in for a showmatch involving 2 other players that lasted 2-3 hours instead. What would you choose?
These showmatches take time to plan, schedule, cast, and prepare for the show. It's not like we can just call out 2 players in our stable and cast another series because IdrA vs aLive were bad games. They played their series, and that's what we had to work with, and unfortunately, the series was really lackluster (unless you enjoy the rage and comedy aspect of it).
We hope that the players we invite for our matches will put forth their best effort each game, but this clearly isn't the case. As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.
<3 great decision! I think everyone understands that you cannot control what a player will do, I just hope reconsider means wouldn't ever even dream of it ;D
"we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future. "
I dunno, but Idra got spot in code S and he allining Nestea, didn't won a single game, and even lost in code A (right?), so I think this might be not enough, I think Idra is not helping progamming community at all, watching players like stephano, DRG, leenock rising so high while he dedicated his live to starcraft, has a good team and living in a gaming house and not improving is not ok IMO, I think his train has passed.
On February 14 2012 05:22 Jakkerr wrote: If naniwa got punished by GOM, Idra should get punished by NASL. Just never invite Idra again for showmatches, there's no point in inviting him.
i totally agree with that.Idra is bm AND bad so lstop invite him....
it's not about good play, but about viewer numbers. you watched and probably would again
NASL perhaps get a decent ammount of viewers for 45 mins. But say 3/4 of thoes would have tuned in for a showmatch involving 2 other players that lasted 2-3 hours instead. What would you choose?
These showmatches take time to plan, schedule, cast, and prepare for the show. It's not like we can just call out 2 players in our stable and cast another series because IdrA vs aLive were bad games. They played their series, and that's what we had to work with, and unfortunately, the series was really lackluster (unless you enjoy the rage and comedy aspect of it).
We hope that the players we invite for our matches will put forth their best effort each game, but this clearly isn't the case. As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.
Sounds fair enough. Forfeiting his $100 and having a black smear on his reputation is enough in my opinion. He's unlikely to get many tournament invites after this, so I think the overall matter is pretty much settled.
On February 14 2012 05:44 Durp wrote: You guys do realize the six pool in game three was most likely not a rage induced/give up build? I think it's important to emphasize that six pool timing hit perfectly on crossfire, and was a good metagame decision. Unfortunately the execution was pretty poor from IdrA.
I don't expect better from IdrA, and I don't know why anyone else does. He rarely (if not never) plays out 3-0 or 2-0 deficits.
Sure, it was a legitimate opener, but the execution was flawed (as in game 2). He could have tried to stop the command center from landing. He could have let some lings hit the barrack while going in the main with the rest (and therefore scout the bunker and try to force a cancel). At the end, he could also have waited for the 3 roaches to arrive before suiciding his lings.
I mean, 6 pool was fine and could have worked much better considering the fact that Alive didn't have a wall. Unfortunately for Idra, Alive reacted perfectly and he played badly. But I bet in his next interview, he'll point out how ZvT is imba or whatever.
On February 14 2012 05:22 Jakkerr wrote: If naniwa got punished by GOM, Idra should get punished by NASL. Just never invite Idra again for showmatches, there's no point in inviting him.
i totally agree with that.Idra is bm AND bad so lstop invite him....
it's not about good play, but about viewer numbers. you watched and probably would again
NASL perhaps get a decent ammount of viewers for 45 mins. But say 3/4 of thoes would have tuned in for a showmatch involving 2 other players that lasted 2-3 hours instead. What would you choose?
These showmatches take time to plan, schedule, cast, and prepare for the show. It's not like we can just call out 2 players in our stable and cast another series because IdrA vs aLive were bad games. They played their series, and that's what we had to work with, and unfortunately, the series was really lackluster (unless you enjoy the rage and comedy aspect of it).
We hope that the players we invite for our matches will put forth their best effort each game, but this clearly isn't the case. As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.
Thanks for the update Xeris, and thanks for all the work in putting these things together
On February 14 2012 05:48 bdair2002 wrote: "we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future. "
I dunno, but Idra got spot in code S and he allining Nestea, didn't won a single game, and even lost in code A (right?), so I think this might be not enough, I think Idra is not helping progamming community at all, watching players like stephano, DRG, leenock rising so high while he dedicated his live to starcraft, has a good team and living in a gaming house and not improving is not ok IMO, I think his train has passed.
What he has done before this season in the GSL was perfectly fine. He played horribly, but we do not punish players for poor play, as their elimination from the tournament is "punishment" enough. In the end, it is up to EG to decide if Idra is worth keeping on the roster. Don't be so quick to praise Stephano either, he is a great player but he has his own controversies.
On February 14 2012 05:35 redviper wrote: I certainly hope idra doesn't get undeserved invites into GSL. Naniwa is a million times more mannered and professional than idra.
But I have to say, Alive calling the 6 pool was incredible. And hilarious. And shows how little respect koreans have for idra.
I've never been much of a nani fan, the personality bit just wasn't up my alley. I tend to like sheth/hero type players. That said, I'm behind that 100%
Nani made a mistake and got his ass kicked for it.
IdrA doesn't give a shit.
Major difference. I've liked and supported IdrA through his bullshit "don't give a fuck" showings and now I can't be bothered to actively support him anymore, there's so many players who would appreciate the support like Snute, Ostooijoy, Goswser and Gix to name but four up and comings.
On February 14 2012 05:22 Jakkerr wrote: If naniwa got punished by GOM, Idra should get punished by NASL. Just never invite Idra again for showmatches, there's no point in inviting him.
i totally agree with that.Idra is bm AND bad so lstop invite him....
it's not about good play, but about viewer numbers. you watched and probably would again
NASL perhaps get a decent ammount of viewers for 45 mins. But say 3/4 of thoes would have tuned in for a showmatch involving 2 other players that lasted 2-3 hours instead. What would you choose?
These showmatches take time to plan, schedule, cast, and prepare for the show. It's not like we can just call out 2 players in our stable and cast another series because IdrA vs aLive were bad games. They played their series, and that's what we had to work with, and unfortunately, the series was really lackluster (unless you enjoy the rage and comedy aspect of it).
We hope that the players we invite for our matches will put forth their best effort each game, but this clearly isn't the case. As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.
Sure, sixpooling two games in a row can be seen as a player giving up. But on the other hand, the terran player also did two early game "rushes".
Punishing players for doing "stupid builds" are a very slippery slope unless you specify the builds in the tournament / showmatch rules in advance – otherwise the players will be punished arbitrarily as soon as NASL feels they're not performing to some unspecified standard.
Therefore – can we now conclude that all six pool builds are banned from NASL matches or do NASL retain the right to indiscriminately punish players as NASL please?
On February 14 2012 05:22 Jakkerr wrote: If naniwa got punished by GOM, Idra should get punished by NASL. Just never invite Idra again for showmatches, there's no point in inviting him.
i totally agree with that.Idra is bm AND bad so lstop invite him....
it's not about good play, but about viewer numbers. you watched and probably would again
NASL perhaps get a decent ammount of viewers for 45 mins. But say 3/4 of thoes would have tuned in for a showmatch involving 2 other players that lasted 2-3 hours instead. What would you choose?
These showmatches take time to plan, schedule, cast, and prepare for the show. It's not like we can just call out 2 players in our stable and cast another series because IdrA vs aLive were bad games. They played their series, and that's what we had to work with, and unfortunately, the series was really lackluster (unless you enjoy the rage and comedy aspect of it).
We hope that the players we invite for our matches will put forth their best effort each game, but this clearly isn't the case. As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.
Sure, sixpooling two games in a row can be seen as a player giving up. But on the other hand, the terran player also did two early game "rushes".
Punishing players for doing "stupid builds" are a very slippery slope unless you specify the builds in the tournament / showmatch rules in advance – otherwise the players will be punished arbitrarily as soon as NASL feels they're not performing to some unspecified standard.
Therefore – can we now conclude that all six pool builds are banned from NASL matches or do NASL retain the right to indiscriminately punish players as NASL please?
what about leaving the games without a GG. Seems for me that he doesn´t give a shit. And also i doesn´t look like that he have tried to win the last game
On February 14 2012 05:22 Jakkerr wrote: If naniwa got punished by GOM, Idra should get punished by NASL. Just never invite Idra again for showmatches, there's no point in inviting him.
i totally agree with that.Idra is bm AND bad so lstop invite him....
it's not about good play, but about viewer numbers. you watched and probably would again
NASL perhaps get a decent ammount of viewers for 45 mins. But say 3/4 of thoes would have tuned in for a showmatch involving 2 other players that lasted 2-3 hours instead. What would you choose?
These showmatches take time to plan, schedule, cast, and prepare for the show. It's not like we can just call out 2 players in our stable and cast another series because IdrA vs aLive were bad games. They played their series, and that's what we had to work with, and unfortunately, the series was really lackluster (unless you enjoy the rage and comedy aspect of it).
We hope that the players we invite for our matches will put forth their best effort each game, but this clearly isn't the case. As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.
Sure, sixpooling two games in a row can be seen as a player giving up. But on the other hand, the terran player also did two early game "rushes".
Punishing players for doing "stupid builds" are a very slippery slope unless you specify the builds in the tournament / showmatch rules in advance – otherwise the players will be punished arbitrarily as soon as NASL feels they're not performing to some unspecified standard.
Therefore – can we now conclude that all six pool builds are banned from NASL matches or do NASL retain the right to indiscriminately punish players as NASL please?
As much as I disliked the games, I think this is a very valid point. Idra acted badly and probably lost some fans as a consequence. I don't think the tournaments should punish players based on what they do during a game (I think punishing Naniwa for probe rushing was dumb). If anyone has to punish Idra for it's bad manners, it's EG.
On February 14 2012 05:22 Jakkerr wrote: If naniwa got punished by GOM, Idra should get punished by NASL. Just never invite Idra again for showmatches, there's no point in inviting him.
i totally agree with that.Idra is bm AND bad so lstop invite him....
it's not about good play, but about viewer numbers. you watched and probably would again
NASL perhaps get a decent ammount of viewers for 45 mins. But say 3/4 of thoes would have tuned in for a showmatch involving 2 other players that lasted 2-3 hours instead. What would you choose?
These showmatches take time to plan, schedule, cast, and prepare for the show. It's not like we can just call out 2 players in our stable and cast another series because IdrA vs aLive were bad games. They played their series, and that's what we had to work with, and unfortunately, the series was really lackluster (unless you enjoy the rage and comedy aspect of it).
We hope that the players we invite for our matches will put forth their best effort each game, but this clearly isn't the case. As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.
Sure, sixpooling two games in a row can be seen as a player giving up. But on the other hand, the terran player also did two early game "rushes".
Punishing players for doing "stupid builds" are a very slippery slope unless you specify the builds in the tournament / showmatch rules in advance – otherwise the players will be punished arbitrarily as soon as NASL feels they're not performing to some unspecified standard.
Therefore – can we now conclude that all six pool builds are banned from NASL matches or do NASL retain the right to indiscriminately punish players as NASL please?
Stop it with this shit. Its been discussed to death, if you're serious then you have no understanding of context.
On February 14 2012 05:22 Jakkerr wrote: If naniwa got punished by GOM, Idra should get punished by NASL. Just never invite Idra again for showmatches, there's no point in inviting him.
i totally agree with that.Idra is bm AND bad so lstop invite him....
it's not about good play, but about viewer numbers. you watched and probably would again
NASL perhaps get a decent ammount of viewers for 45 mins. But say 3/4 of thoes would have tuned in for a showmatch involving 2 other players that lasted 2-3 hours instead. What would you choose?
These showmatches take time to plan, schedule, cast, and prepare for the show. It's not like we can just call out 2 players in our stable and cast another series because IdrA vs aLive were bad games. They played their series, and that's what we had to work with, and unfortunately, the series was really lackluster (unless you enjoy the rage and comedy aspect of it).
We hope that the players we invite for our matches will put forth their best effort each game, but this clearly isn't the case. As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.
Sure, sixpooling two games in a row can be seen as a player giving up. But on the other hand, the terran player also did two early game "rushes".
Punishing players for doing "stupid builds" are a very slippery slope unless you specify the builds in the tournament / showmatch rules in advance – otherwise the players will be punished arbitrarily as soon as NASL feels they're not performing to some unspecified standard.
Therefore – can we now conclude that all six pool builds are banned from NASL matches or do NASL retain the right to indiscriminately punish players as NASL please?
As much as I disliked the games, I think this is a very valid point. Idra acted badly and probably lost some fans as a consequence. I don't think the tournaments should punish players based on what they do during a game (I think punishing Naniwa for probe rushing was dumb). If anyone has to punish Idra for it's bad manners, it's EG.
Not only EG should punish his for his BM, but because he is a bad player overall, you can have BM but be good, but Idra is not good imo, his play style is from 2009 and did not improve since then, he didn't won a single match in GSL lately (not even in code A), he is loosing left and right.
On February 14 2012 05:58 Bellygareth wrote: Blaming him, banning him and fining him for being BM is fine. For 6 pooling after two cheeses? Not fine.
It just means that it's ok to cheese if you win it. It's not like the 2 first games where better than the two lasts...
its not just because he cheesed, its the way he cheesed. You have to look at the context of it. It's not exactly hard to tell when some one is cheesing because they think its a good way to win and when some one is 6 pooling because they just don't give a fuck....
On February 14 2012 05:58 Bellygareth wrote: Blaming him, banning him and fining him for being BM is fine. For 6 pooling after two cheeses? Not fine.
It just means that it's ok to cheese if you win it. It's not like the 2 first games where better than the two lasts...
Exactly my thoughts. Idra is to blame for the BM, but if I'm asking myself who ruined the showmatch, it started with alive. No one cares at all that alive cheesed the first two games, when Idra was trying to provide a good showmatch? Idra probably just quit caring after the first two games, but we still shouldn't make a standard of assuming a person's intentions based on their play.
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