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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
I'm amazed as well! Happy, though. Not for Hero so much as for MC. Even if Jjakji didn't want to reveal his strategies, he still should have crushed Hero in a straight up series. $500 is enough to actually try to win the series, even if he doesn't try as hard as for GSL. Of course X > Y and Y > Z doesn't always mean X > Z in Sc2 terms, but I think it's safe to say that if Jjakji plays MC like he played against Hero, he will get slaughtered. | ||
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
that would be the third slayers player... | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On February 05 2012 20:29 GoSuChicken wrote: that would be the third slayers player... Did casters say who will be next for Hero next week? | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On February 05 2012 19:11 double620 wrote: Also, he probably never saw if not rarely saw Nestea and MVP in top 3 GM. But the fact is they won gsls. actually thats how MVP first made a splash in the scene, by destroying everyone and claiming #1 on the ladder. Looking at ladder right now, Nestea played as many games as HerO this season, he just lost more, but he's also in top10. MC is so amazing he would destroy everyone if he just played? well already with less games played he has a considerably worse win ratio than HerO. These guys have won GSLs, HerOs failing at GSL... Yea thats why xeo said he needs to overcome his nerves. As long as HerO doesnt start doing well in GSL all of this matters little, but I fully agree that by watching his stream (and I've also watched MCs, Puzzle's, Sages, JYPs) it looks like he might be the best toss when his nerve's dont get in the way Hopefully him and Creator get their shit together so we can finally see the most awesome protosses in Code S. Being high in ladder doesnt mean youre gonna win GSLs but it does mean that youre damn good. If you look at the other guys in top 10 (out of those whose names are recognizable to non koreans..) you dont find random noobies, you find nestea, gsl champ, polt, gsl champ, Marine King, gsl 2nd place and aLive, who is destroying people in GSL atm. | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On February 05 2012 20:32 double620 wrote: Did casters say who will be next for Hero next week? Dimaga, after the IEM games it will be awesome | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
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double620
China804 Posts
On February 05 2012 20:36 7mk wrote: actually thats how MVP first made a splash in the scene, by destroying everyone and claiming #1 on the ladder. Looking at ladder right now, Nestea played as many games as HerO this season, he just lost more, but he's also in top10. MC is so amazing he would destroy everyone if he just played? well already with less games played he has a considerably worse win ratio than HerO. These guys have won GSLs, HerOs failing at GSL... Yea thats why xeo said he needs to overcome his nerves. As long as HerO doesnt start doing well in GSL all of this matters little, but I fully agree that by watching his stream (and I've also watched MCs, Puzzle's, Sages, JYPs) it looks like he might be the best toss when his nerve's dont get in the way Hopefully him and Creator get their shit together so we can finally see the most awesome protosses in Code S. Nestea has a worse winrate on ladder even if it is true he played as many games as Hero does on ladder? So what !! Almost every codeS player if not all of them would agree that Nestea is top 3 zerg in the world while I doubt if there is any codeS player would tell u that Hero is top 3 toss in Korea. Last week oGs playing zenex on tv, they were in danger of losing because of zenex extreme played so well there and then Supernova came out to win it for the team. Supervona's ladder account shows he is like top 50 in master league Korea, so why did ogs not use Hero who is top 3 in GM? DRG would try to convince Nestea not picking him but would he do the same to Hero? Nestea crushed players like Polt and ASD and stays in codeS easily while Hero losing to them and struggled badly in the up and down. Keep trying to convince ppl Hero is the best toss in the world while at the same time we were seeing Mc got his best toss player award and Huk got his most improved toss award from gomtv. Creator on the other hand in my opinion is playing simply better than Hero and he is also able to show that he can win a lot for his team in the teamleague in Korea. Well, Mc has left oGs and we will see if Hero can take Mc's role and back his team up in Korea. | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On February 05 2012 20:36 7mk wrote: actually thats how MVP first made a splash in the scene, by destroying everyone and claiming #1 on the ladder. Looking at ladder right now, Nestea played as many games as HerO this season, he just lost more, but he's also in top10. MC is so amazing he would destroy everyone if he just played? well already with less games played he has a considerably worse win ratio than HerO. These guys have won GSLs, HerOs failing at GSL... Yea thats why xeo said he needs to overcome his nerves. As long as HerO doesnt start doing well in GSL all of this matters little, but I fully agree that by watching his stream (and I've also watched MCs, Puzzle's, Sages, JYPs) it looks like he might be the best toss when his nerve's dont get in the way Hopefully him and Creator get their shit together so we can finally see the most awesome protosses in Code S. Being high in ladder doesnt mean youre gonna win GSLs but it does mean that youre damn good. If you look at the other guys in top 10 (out of those whose names are recognizable to non koreans..) you dont find random noobies, you find nestea, gsl champ, polt, gsl champ, Marine King, gsl 2nd place and aLive, who is destroying people in GSL atm. Omg...seriously one online showmatch win and we're back to this crap. "hero is best toss watch his stream!!!!!!!!!!!!" It's pointless to argue because all of your arguments are either subjective or meaningless, that being his ladder rankings and watching his stream. Go by actual results, where Hero is constantly eliminated in group stages by foreigners and you just get the nerves excuse. | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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double620
China804 Posts
On February 05 2012 21:06 Devolved wrote: Vile-Illusion would be a good choice too I think. Not sure if they've let Coca out of his cage yet though :x I want to see more toss wins in tournaments but at the same time I really miss Coca's zvp. So sad we can not see him play for such a long time. PPl keep saying how strong those toss timing in pvz are and zerg can not beat toss. But man, coca, non of those timings work against him. He is like that good. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On February 05 2012 20:57 Olinimm wrote: Omg...seriously one online showmatch win and we're back to this crap. "hero is best toss watch his stream!!!!!!!!!!!!" It's pointless to argue because all of your arguments are either subjective or meaningless, that being his ladder rankings and watching his stream. Go by actual results, where Hero is constantly eliminated in group stages by foreigners and you just get the nerves excuse. If I really wanted to I could give you a long full game analysis of the games he plays which would show why he's so good and would be far from subjective. To you and double620, calm down man, I wasn't really saying he's the best toss in the world cause the "if" is a big one, I already aid that it doesnt really matter as long as he doesnt show results, I'm just talking about his potential to win because of you look at his raw skill while practicing it's clearly there. If you think nerves is a shitty excuse thats not bound to reality then ask yourself why your godly MC was so bad he had a 10% win ratio in Pro League, even though he was good in practice. also double620.. Supernova is the most successful most stable player at OGS atm... wtf, why on earth wouldnt they choose him rofl Also how would you know what code S players think if they consider HerO top3 toss or not... have you asked them? | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On February 05 2012 20:56 double620 wrote: Nestea has a worse winrate on ladder even if it is true he played as many games as Hero does on ladder? So what !! Almost every codeS player if not all of them would agree that Nestea is top 3 zerg in the world while I doubt if there is any codeS player would tell u that Hero is top 3 toss in Korea. Last week oGs playing zenex on tv, they were in danger of losing because of zenex extreme played so well there and then Supernova came out to win it for the team. Supervona's ladder account shows he is like top 50 in master league Korea, so why did ogs not use Hero who is top 3 in GM? DRG would try to convince Nestea not picking him but would he do the same to Hero? Nestea crushed players like Polt and ASD and stays in codeS easily while Hero losing to them and struggled badly in the up and down. Keep trying to convince ppl Hero is the best toss in the world while at the same time we were seeing Mc got his best toss player award and Huk got his most improved toss award from gomtv. Creator on the other hand in my opinion is playing simply better than Hero and he is also able to show that he can win a lot for his team in the teamleague in Korea. Well, Mc has left oGs and we will see if Hero can take Mc's role and back his team up in Korea. Creator is really interesting because he does not seem to have any kind of issues with being under pressure, at least in team leagues. He has been used as ace to good effect so far; at least in the matches I saw, he seems not to falter in hard situations. I am under the impression that, in a relatively underdeveloped scene, good nerves can actually count more than raw talent/micro/macro. That said, I am really unhappy that Code A RO48 is Creator vs Polt ._. Neither of them deserves to be Code B, really. I will be sad either way. =( | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On February 05 2012 21:26 WigglingSquid wrote: Creator is really interesting because he does not seem to have any kind of issues with being under pressure, at least in team leagues. He has been used as ace to good effect so far; at least in the matches I saw, he seems not to falter in hard situations. I am under the impression that, in a relatively underdeveloped scene, good nerves can actually count more than raw talent/micro/macro. That said, I am really unhappy that Code A RO48 is Creator vs Polt ._. Neither of them deserves to be Code B, really. I will be sad either way. =( omg, they are both team aces for their team and one of them will be out of gsl. Creator!!!! Last time in CodeA, he needed to face mvp and now polt ! This sucks especially consider that they were teammates in the past. Why don't they use groups in CodeA? | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On February 05 2012 14:04 Inflicted_ wrote: But MMA controls everything much better; his drops are controlled well, his battle micro (tanks target-fire, marine split etc.) is impeccable and his reaction time is also much better. GuMiho is a good player and looks like what MMA was when he first came out, but he still needs to refine everything to be considered a top Terran. MMA's game-sense is also so much better in TvT and controls the game much better, by knowing when to attack, when to drop and when to transition into tanks. It just seems like GuMiho is doing multiple things for the sake of it, rather than planning it to control the game. The funny thing is, I actually think MMA has been far more consistent in showing his best play against top tier players than MVP, but that doesn't equate to him showing 'better' play overall - he consistently plays his best against the best, but that doesn't mean that the others are consistently playing their best against him. On the flip side, I find MVP to have the most memorable and awe-inspiring games, rather than MMA or Jjakji (last game against TOP in GSL August, where he baited him into a 3-way flank comes to mind). As for Gumiho's multitasking causing trouble for MVP...CTS. MVP's multitasking is some of the best in the business; he was the one doing 3-4 pronged drops in early 2011, long before MMA made it fashionable in MLG Columbus. You could argue that MMA does it better or has a more distinctive style, but he's pretty much the only player in SC2 who could claim that over MVP. Bomber said MVP's multitasking was far beyond his own when he practiced with him before their Code A Finals. However, since the middle of 2011, MVP suddenly moved away from that style of play, and started to mech a lot more, and played a much more turtling style in both TvT and TvZ. I'm starting to think that it's due to the CTS in his wrists affecting him more than usual that he toned down the heavy multitasking and micro intensive plays, and aimed for the late-game management style that he was decent at in BW. The problem is, since the mechanical demands of SC2 is lower, the better macro player doesn't necessarily get as much of an advantage in such games anymore, so I think more hectic styles is better in SC2 (DRG, I believe, said the same thing when comparing MMA to MVP). Edit: I still remember game 3 in the Ro8 of the Korean WCG qualies against Annyeong, where MVP just dropped all over the place. After watching that game, I was thinking...'damn, why doesn't he play like this more often'...then others mentioned CTS, and I thought...oh... -_- | ||
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SeriouR
Spain622 Posts
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On February 05 2012 13:39 naux wrote: idiot thats what i just said.. you are probably the only person who would trade 1 million dollars for popularity players like Naniwa,HuK already said fame is more important than money in very old interviews. Destiny,iNcontroL,machine,lzgamer-tell me,what they done in starcraft 2? nothing.They are in big teams because their marketable name. also you cant buy fame,you need to earn it.So,your logic is bad as your manner. | ||
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yann
119 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On February 05 2012 22:39 yann wrote: does anyone know when the vods will be up? Probably in 24 hours or so. They'll definatly wait until after the EU Rebroadcast. Hero-Dimaga should be fun. | ||
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