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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
February 02 2012 11:15 GMT
#1741
On February 02 2012 20:13 Blueblister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:07 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.

lol...

Don't overestimate the GSL. Look at the other top terrans and do a comparison, Polt has beaten MK and Fin recently while both Mvp and Bomber is slumping...

Since when have MKP and Fin been top Terrans?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
February 02 2012 11:15 GMT
#1742
On February 02 2012 20:05 decerto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote:
Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.


Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches

I see how terran dominates the early game when Puzzle(and many other toss players) wins every time they do these rushes, regardless of how many bunkers and of who he is playing against.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:16:22
February 02 2012 11:15 GMT
#1743
I like the gamble to take a fast third by MMA.

I suspect Puzzle might push again on thermal lance and a third colossus?
RockStarCrft
Profile Joined February 2011
Turkey470 Posts
February 02 2012 11:15 GMT
#1744
On February 02 2012 20:13 bennyaus wrote:
Lots of toss do these immortal pushes ^^ Need a marine heavier composition and like 3 layers of bunkers to be able to hold it.


3 layers? like 6 bunkers...

It seems like 4 bunkers is easily died to this push...
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1745
On February 02 2012 20:12 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:09 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:06 poorcloud wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.


MVP has beat millions of other players who has beaten MMA. Just because MMA beats MVP in head to head confrontations dosen't make MVP the weaker overall player. Achievements don't lie. MVP status as best player should not be debated until he shows poor form for a few months and someone else takes over.

Hmm so MVP not winning GSL since August and MMA winning the past 2 GSLs means nothing to u I guess...


I wouldn't count Blizzard cup as GSL and if I remember right the reason why MMA/Polt were at Blizzard Cup because MVP won too much too. MMA is great player but he doesn't achieve as much as MVP.


Blizzard cup was an invite only tournament featuring two players that clearly didn't deserve to be there (Stephano and Naniwa). It doesn't count.
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Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1746
When he's pushing with 4-5 immortals and the 2 colossi with range it's game over
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1747
Honestly, what can MMA do here if Puzzle gets colossi? Puzzle already has immortals to demolish marauders and he wont have near enough vikings without gimping his ground army completely.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
Maitolasi
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland441 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1748
Goddamnit Artosis still believes Carriers have the highest dps.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1749
On February 02 2012 20:11 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:10 dragonborn wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:09 Teoita wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.


In which universe? Polt isn't even in code s...

MVP isnt even in code S.

There is a difference between actually starting the season in code a and dropping to code a from Code S ro16. if MVP makes it back up he wont have missed a code s season.

but at the end of the tournament, it just doesn't matter if you don't win it all.
rod-
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway379 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1750
My liquidbets says Puzzle and Supernova to advance, with puzzle beating supernova and mma take out oz. This can be the first time I get it right :D
IMmvp~~
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1751
On February 02 2012 20:15 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:13 Blueblister wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:07 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:06 Blueblister wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:03 SpicyCheese wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:55 Olinimm wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:54 SpicyCheese wrote:
lol... if MVP is much better then why does he always lose to MMA. Artosis confuses me sometimes

So by your logic polt is better than MMA. but anyone with common sense knows thats not the case.

Umm MMA has played MVP in bo7, bo5, and another bo5 in Geforce ProAM defeating him CONVINCINGLY every time, with the only time that MVP won was at MLG where he was already ahead in extended series anyway.... Also these were all pretty much during MVP's prime. If ur saying MVP was better then he should at least have won some of those sets right? Or at least make them close( which they were all one sided ). The Polt MMA games are pretty much one series of build order, where MMA wasn't even in his prime form and Polt has just sunk into the abyss.

Polt hasn't sunk anywhere he's likely the second best terran in the world at the moment.

lol...

Don't overestimate the GSL. Look at the other top terrans and do a comparison, Polt has beaten MK and Fin recently while both Mvp and Bomber is slumping...

Since when have MKP and Fin been top Terrans?


Fin i agree with, he's too new to be called a top terran...but not calling MKP a top terran is pretty delusional, sorry.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1752
On February 02 2012 20:15 IMPrime wrote:
The reason why this immortal bust works on this map is that the ramp is in front of the expo, so no matter how many bunkers you throw down, the toss can FF the ramp to stop reinforcements.


Also the fact that the surface area around the natural is so narrow. The best way to hold this is to spread out as many bunkers as u can mitigating the effectiveness of forcefields.

In the area around the natural on crossfire u cant make that many bunkers and if you make them close to the high ground ramp they are pointless.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1753
On February 02 2012 20:12 Mobius_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:09 Mobius_1 wrote:
GSL Ro16 Group B
Match 3 Game 3
SlayerS_Puzzle vs SlayerS_MMA
Crossfire SE 1.1

0:00
Puzzle spawns P1
MMA spawns T7

MMA opens 1 rax marauders expansion
Puzzle takes both gases, standard opening


5:00
Puzzle adds on robo, gateways, expands, building immortals
MMA up to 3 raxes and upgrading infantry attack
Puzzles pushes forward, catches a few marines and marauders with forcefields


10:00
Puzzle attacks with 3 immortals, all the bunkers go down and natural is forced to lift
Puzzle continues to pressure the front with all 3 immortals still alive, adding on 3 more gateways, goes home
MMA expanding to the 8 o'clock expansion
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1754
On February 02 2012 20:14 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:05 decerto wrote:
On February 02 2012 20:02 Bagi wrote:
Games like these really make me wish terran had some better lategame tech to throw at protoss.


Because even though they dominate early and mid game unless toss goes all in they should also dominate late game even though they can play 50/50 late game v toss. Thats like saying you want to play zerg with stim and medivacs for your roaches

Late game TvP is NOT 50/50.

Late game TvP is 'you will trade armies evenly MAYBE, then he warps in 100 supply instantly'.

Eitherway, whenever one side gets an advantage in TvP it just snowballs way too hard, its annoying.

I feel thats how every matchup works in SC2 and it`s due to the DPS of the game. At some point of a battle one player gets a favor and then he almost stops losing units, while killing the whole enemy army. Then the winner of that battle is free to do whatever he wants to.

on topic: very cool BO by puzzle with that many immortals.

its the standart "if u dont scout it its autowin if you scout it you have small chance of holding" allin every second toss does
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1755
immortal push perfect if you scout the wallin 2 free depots at least. Love it when terrans do it on ladder. And if you see a pro struggle with it, then you can imagine how much easier it is on ladder xD. The Bunker placement wasn't to good again and if you don't have marauders with slow in bunkers to snipe the immortals once their shields are down, there is no reason to try to hold the natural. The observers snipe pretty much gave MMA some breathing time.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
February 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#1756
On February 02 2012 20:16 Maitolasi wrote:
Goddamnit Artosis still believes Carriers have the highest dps.


If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
February 02 2012 11:17 GMT
#1757
on low quality stream 2 zealots look like a small immortal
bisu
jjmmtt
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
February 02 2012 11:17 GMT
#1758
You basically need to be producing 3 vikings at a time just to keep up with 1 colossus production :S
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
February 02 2012 11:17 GMT
#1759
Wouldn't it be easier if Puzzle just walk into the main and kill him?
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
February 02 2012 11:17 GMT
#1760
Puzzle!!!
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