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MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
January 27 2012 02:10 GMT
#221
Wow, I'm really suprised Destiny is doing so well. Mutas, but still, really well.
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
January 27 2012 02:11 GMT
#222
On January 27 2012 11:06 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.


Mutas are beatable in PvZ. Taldarim's size might make it ugly, but in no way is it unbeatable. The mutas aren't supposed to be able to do damage once you have high templar unless it is extremely inefficient damage. If it happens, the protoss made a mistake.

It is a strategy that requires a VERY specific response from the protoss, but I don't think it's broken. Destiny played well.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
January 27 2012 02:11 GMT
#223
So... Quantic is 2-1 up... They have SaSe, Naniwa to come, and Mouz have Thorzain and then Morrow?. I don't see Mouz taking this now that Destiny took out their two Protoss, but it will all come down to whether they can take out Thorzain without taking too much damage from him. I assume SaSe or Nani comes next and snipes him.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
January 27 2012 02:12 GMT
#224
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.

User was warned for this post
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obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
January 27 2012 02:12 GMT
#225
Not very impressive by hasuobs and mana.
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 27 2012 02:12 GMT
#226
destiny played well but MaNa was having lags issues (US server) also which is not porobably good when microing blink stalkers/storms gg anyway
oh in the sun sun having fun
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#227
On January 27 2012 11:07 Trsjnica wrote:
A bit sad that when Destiny wins a game, everyone just uses it as evidence of imba rather than congratulating Destiny on continued improvements and two good wins.

Its not about Destiny. People will complain about mass mutas on TalDarim no matter who plays.
Overpowered or not, Destiny played this really well.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
January 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#228
On January 27 2012 11:11 SiguR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:06 Bashion wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.


Mutas are beatable in PvZ. Taldarim's size might make it ugly, but in no way is it unbeatable. The mutas aren't supposed to be able to do damage once you have high templar unless it is extremely inefficient damage. If it happens, the protoss made a mistake.

It is a strategy that requires a VERY specific response from the protoss, but I don't think it's broken. Destiny played well.


On most maps it is completely beatable, but when the 3rd and main are close like that by air on taldarim... not gonna says its unbalanced but u have to outplay the zerg by a large margin imo
naniwa fighting!!!
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#229
On January 27 2012 11:07 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

so thats why Blizzard is contemplating throwing a whole new unit in to counter mutas
how can you say its not viable?
this is purely to placate the average players, because VERY few low level protoss are capable of dealing with a zerg that gets enough mutas out, because it isnt easy, as witnessed by a very good (but not elite) protoss in MaNa losing to it just now. but any decent korean protoss knows exactly how not to die to mass muta. you need SOMETHING else to damage to the stalkers.


stop spouting nonsense... No they don't. You can't move out against mutas without being literally all-in. MaNa is as good a protoss as any, his pvz isnt' his best MU, but it doesn't change the fact that if you have a timing that fails, and the zerg has a spire he basically cashes in on a free-win, because once you start going mutas the game enters a stage where there's very little that protoss can do outside of waiting for zerg to make a mistake, or base trading.
Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
January 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#230
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Funny that you say that when he's going up vs destiny
Dont tase me bro
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
January 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#231
Against thorzain on antiga? Ouch. Well it was a decent run, Destiny...
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
January 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#232
On January 27 2012 11:13 Letall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Funny that you say that when he's going up vs destiny


So? Having a large fanbase =/= overrated.

Nobody proclaims Destiny is a top tier player, and I see it all the time for Thorzain.
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Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#233
On January 27 2012 11:10 Baffels wrote:
Not sure why people are saying Destiny played well. Mass mutas, miss MaNa expanding past 3 bases and drag out a game that should of been over, I mean really how do you lose that many bases with 60 mutas on the field?

Still hoping for better games, thorzain coming out should be interesting.


I thought Destiny's harass and muta control was very good. He had multiple groups of mutas pulling mana all over the place, forcing him to constantly defend. It was textbook. The point of what he was doing was to drag it out. It's called starving out your opponent and he did it properly. You might not like the strategy, it might not be exciting to you, but Destiny def played well.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
January 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#234
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Rofl, because beating Nani, MC, Kas, and FD means he's totally mid-tier.
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
January 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#235
On January 27 2012 11:11 SiguR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:06 Bashion wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:01 GDbushido wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't think Blizzard anticipated mass muta being such a viable strategy on large map PvZs.

its not. as long as protoss holds on long enough to get storm and enough stalkers zerg cannot engage with pure muta. its a strategy that totally relies on protoss not knowing how/being capable of stopping it.

it's still good becasue protoss can't move out without losing everything.


And zerg can always transition into whichever tech they want. They will be way ahead on bases, they can turtle with spines, get infestor/broodlord, and Protoss cant do anything about it.


Mutas are beatable in PvZ. Taldarim's size might make it ugly, but in no way is it unbeatable. The mutas aren't supposed to be able to do damage once you have high templar unless it is extremely inefficient damage. If it happens, the protoss made a mistake.

It is a strategy that requires a VERY specific response from the protoss, but I don't think it's broken. Destiny played well.


Storm isn't instantaneous ya know?
OtoshimonoU
Profile Joined December 2011
United States509 Posts
January 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#236
On January 27 2012 11:12 mijagi182 wrote:
destiny played well but MaNa was having lags issues (US server) also which is not porobably good when microing blink stalkers/storms gg anyway


I see you're from Poland.
God Young ho
ratzp0li
Profile Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
January 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#237
On January 27 2012 11:14 tribulator wrote:
Against thorzain on antiga? Ouch. Well it was a decent run, Destiny...

yup lol

oh well, at least we'll probably get to see Naniwa or sase play vs Thorzain.
TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
January 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#238
YES!! AWESOME JOB DESTINY!!!
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MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
January 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#239
On January 27 2012 11:14 SC2NeCro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:13 Letall wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:12 SC2NeCro wrote:
Thorzain is the most overrated player of all time.

Hyped to extremes and just a mediocre mid-tier foreigner.


Funny that you say that when he's going up vs destiny


So? Having a large fanbase =/= overrated.

Nobody proclaims Destiny is a top tier player, and I see it all the time for Thorzain.


Just.... Just....

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Pokerstrategy_TSL/Bracket

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ThorZaIN

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Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
January 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#240
On January 27 2012 11:11 bennyaus wrote:
So... Quantic is 2-1 up... They have SaSe, Naniwa to come, and Mouz have Thorzain and then Morrow?. I don't see Mouz taking this now that Destiny took out their two Protoss, but it will all come down to whether they can take out Thorzain without taking too much damage from him. I assume SaSe or Nani comes next and snipes him.

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