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darkevilxe
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada346 Posts
January 15 2012 20:18 GMT
#2981
hahahahh insane french accents
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 20:18:24
January 15 2012 20:18 GMT
#2982
dApollo french accent... I'm dying xD
My heart aches with pain, When I see you I vomit, Die away from me
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 15 2012 20:18 GMT
#2983
Haha wth was that accent :D
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
January 15 2012 20:18 GMT
#2984
OMG we don't sound SO bad when we speak english guys c'mon
I got five reasons for you to shut up
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
January 15 2012 20:18 GMT
#2985
why not double expand? taking a 3rd was a good move, but dobule expanding would have been eve better, wouldn't it?
o choro é livre
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 15 2012 20:18 GMT
#2986
On January 16 2012 05:17 wangstra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 05:14 Roe wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:06 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 04:59 Pure-SC2 wrote:
This is where SC2 is heading I think, as players get so much better at defending it becomes a long macro game, and it seems everyone is still learning what that even means.

At the highest levels, thats what we saw with Leenoc vs ForGG...




It's not even a macro game. It's a crappy stalemate because of not well thought abilities like fungal. This is the kind of crap you wouldnt see in a hundred years on BW

you never heard of dark swarm?


yeah duh. it would have allowed zerg to engage. not prolong a stalemate.

i still dont get it, how does fungal growth prolong a stalemate while swarm doesnt?
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 20:18 GMT
#2987
On January 16 2012 05:17 Flonomenalz wrote:
The fact of the matter is if Terran wants to camp in SC2, they will. There is next to nothing you can do to force engagements against a dedicated camper like Thorzain, especially on maps that allow splitting like that. Ultra drop? Yeah killed some tech then they all died to 20 cloaked ghosts. What would have been REAL strategy would be stephano dropping a few infestors with the ultras, and sending 1-2 overseers, to lure the ghosts, then fungaling and killing them all.

But SC2 simply has not reached that level.


One day mate, Jaedong is coming!
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 15 2012 20:19 GMT
#2988
On January 16 2012 05:15 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 05:14 HappyChris wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:13 Seraphone wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:11 Penke wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:06 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 04:59 Pure-SC2 wrote:
This is where SC2 is heading I think, as players get so much better at defending it becomes a long macro game, and it seems everyone is still learning what that even means.

At the highest levels, thats what we saw with Leenoc vs ForGG...




It's not even a macro game. It's a crappy stalemate because of not well thought abilities like fungal. This is the kind of crap you wouldnt see in a hundred years on BW


Firstly, I agree that some abilities like fungal are not the best from a game design standpoint, but I don't think that's the reason for these drawn out games in the first place. And secondly I think that my opinion is shared with most of the community when I say that these long epic games are really entertaining.


Great games are games where two players play perfectly and are always on the map attacking and looking for an advantage.

For example Jjakji vs Leenock on Taldarim, that is the perfect game.

This game was full of mistakes and both players sat still doing nothing.


Thats you oppinion.

Personaly I thought this was a great game 20min of intence action followed by somethign we dont see that much.


I wouldn't expect the blindest Stephano fanboy on TL to understand why any Stephano game was a bad game.


I woulnt expect the biggest korean elitist that thinks Koreans dont make mistakes to enjoy a game where none korean are playing

But im sure you thought Rain vs Boxer was epic right?
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 20:20 GMT
#2989
On January 16 2012 05:19 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 05:15 Seraphone wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:14 HappyChris wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:13 Seraphone wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:11 Penke wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:06 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 04:59 Pure-SC2 wrote:
This is where SC2 is heading I think, as players get so much better at defending it becomes a long macro game, and it seems everyone is still learning what that even means.

At the highest levels, thats what we saw with Leenoc vs ForGG...




It's not even a macro game. It's a crappy stalemate because of not well thought abilities like fungal. This is the kind of crap you wouldnt see in a hundred years on BW


Firstly, I agree that some abilities like fungal are not the best from a game design standpoint, but I don't think that's the reason for these drawn out games in the first place. And secondly I think that my opinion is shared with most of the community when I say that these long epic games are really entertaining.


Great games are games where two players play perfectly and are always on the map attacking and looking for an advantage.

For example Jjakji vs Leenock on Taldarim, that is the perfect game.

This game was full of mistakes and both players sat still doing nothing.


Thats you oppinion.

Personaly I thought this was a great game 20min of intence action followed by somethign we dont see that much.


I wouldn't expect the blindest Stephano fanboy on TL to understand why any Stephano game was a bad game.


I woulnt expect the biggest korean elitist that thinks Koreans dont make mistakes to enjoy a game where none korean are playing

But im sure you thought Rain vs Boxer was epic right?


No, it was terrible as well.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 15 2012 20:20 GMT
#2990
Don't get started with the France / England rivality here. Because French ain"'t the worse at stereotype. :d
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
January 15 2012 20:21 GMT
#2991
On January 16 2012 05:20 Seraphone wrote:
No, it was terrible as well.

The 10 second fight was epic!

The 1h rest was boring
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
January 15 2012 20:21 GMT
#2992
On January 16 2012 05:18 The_Unseen wrote:
OMG we don't sound SO bad when we speak english guys c'mon

did you listen to stephano's interviews at ipl3, it was pretty much 1:1 the same. but he has improved a lot since then
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
January 15 2012 20:22 GMT
#2993
Don't go spoon mode again -_-' .. Hit before broods please!
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 15 2012 20:22 GMT
#2994
On January 16 2012 05:21 Swiv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 05:18 The_Unseen wrote:
OMG we don't sound SO bad when we speak english guys c'mon

did you listen to stephano's interviews at ipl3, it was pretty much 1:1 the same. but he has improved a lot since then


Depend of which french players. Look at ToD's English for example :<
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
January 15 2012 20:23 GMT
#2995
I´ll have to be honest, I am not liking how Thorzain plays TvZ lately he just turtles too damn much. Maps like metal don´t help and now we get Shakuras.....

Its not about abilities like Fungal either this is mostly because metal and shakuras are too defensive maps. You can defend everything without giving it too much though.

And yeah as much as people may disagree there is a point where defenders advantage can be too much...
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
January 15 2012 20:23 GMT
#2996
On January 16 2012 05:18 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 05:17 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:14 Roe wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:06 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 04:59 Pure-SC2 wrote:
This is where SC2 is heading I think, as players get so much better at defending it becomes a long macro game, and it seems everyone is still learning what that even means.

At the highest levels, thats what we saw with Leenoc vs ForGG...




It's not even a macro game. It's a crappy stalemate because of not well thought abilities like fungal. This is the kind of crap you wouldnt see in a hundred years on BW

you never heard of dark swarm?


yeah duh. it would have allowed zerg to engage. not prolong a stalemate.

i still dont get it, how does fungal growth prolong a stalemate while swarm doesnt?

Because you can move out of Dark Swarm...? Dark Swarm would force Terran to unsiege, move units back, re-position himself, and engage at different angles.

Fungal makes Terran stay still, take DPS, and die. Therefore, Terran is afraid to move forward.

See the difference?
I love crazymoving
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 20:25:03
January 15 2012 20:24 GMT
#2997
On January 16 2012 05:23 windsupernova wrote:
I´ll have to be honest, I am not liking how Thorzain plays TvZ lately he just turtles too damn much. Maps like metal don´t help and now we get Shakuras.....

Its not about abilities like Fungal either this is mostly because metal and shakuras are too defensive maps. You can defend everything without giving it too much though.

And yeah as much as people may disagree there is a point where defenders advantage can be too much...


He should be going MMA mode on Stephano and punishing him for the lack of infestors. Instead he sends one medivac every 3/4 minutes and doesn't push alongside it.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 15 2012 20:26 GMT
#2998
On January 16 2012 05:23 Flonomenalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 05:18 Roe wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:17 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:14 Roe wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:06 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 04:59 Pure-SC2 wrote:
This is where SC2 is heading I think, as players get so much better at defending it becomes a long macro game, and it seems everyone is still learning what that even means.

At the highest levels, thats what we saw with Leenoc vs ForGG...




It's not even a macro game. It's a crappy stalemate because of not well thought abilities like fungal. This is the kind of crap you wouldnt see in a hundred years on BW

you never heard of dark swarm?


yeah duh. it would have allowed zerg to engage. not prolong a stalemate.

i still dont get it, how does fungal growth prolong a stalemate while swarm doesnt?

Because you can move out of Dark Swarm...? Dark Swarm would force Terran to unsiege, move units back, re-position himself, and engage at different angles.

Fungal makes Terran stay still, take DPS, and die. Therefore, Terran is afraid to move forward.

See the difference?

yeah, fungal makes it so units die, giving the advantage to zerg, while swarm can make a position almost immune to a terran moving out.
Mowr
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden791 Posts
January 15 2012 20:26 GMT
#2999
OMG thorzain is so good.
Kill one man and they'll call you a murderer. Kill an army of men and they'll call you a general. But kill all men and they'll call you a god.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 15 2012 20:26 GMT
#3000
,marines always save ass
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