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Not a Coin-Flip at all IMO wasn't a blind counter either july had that spire up way before spotting too much tech from Hero. He was going 2 base spire (with an expand behind pressure) no matter what.
I'm surprised hero didn't warp in his army with a proxy pylon though.
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On December 23 2011 18:50 HowardRoark wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 18:46 HowardRoark wrote:
I am happy Hero goes for Templars, because it makes PvZ games interesting to watch compared to balls of Colossus, but why do it when Colossus balls seem to much better (albeit so much more boring)? Do he skip Colossus balls for entertainment or that the skill cap for Templars are higher than Colossus balls? He skipped Colossi as soon as his entire army died to mutas because you can't defend mutas on Dual Sight when going fast colossi off 2 base. Ok. Protoss is so much more fun to watch whenever they skip Colossus completely, feels like a different race, feels like Protoss again with storms, archons and good action all over the place.
It's really cool when Protosses use other comps, but this was more necessity than anything else.
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On December 23 2011 18:53 Tachion wrote:
They don't usually do game reviews in up/down do they? Cause.....there's still 13 games to go.... ;o
Probably to fill time while the players get ready.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
HERE WE GO!!! JYP TIME!!!
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On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas..
standard lair timing? what game did u watch?
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Is it just me ore they spending an absurdly long time on that replay/highlight? I feel like we almost just watched the game in its entirety again.
Which I like the highlight reel idea, but honestly nothing that exciting even happened that game.
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Shut your hole Wolf! All you do is bitch and moan and put down every player even though you don't know shit about the game. July won by so much and all he does is nitpick every little thing. It really gets old.
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On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third
I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
Btw, was anyone around during KPOP? Do u guys know
a) which groups were shown?
b) which songs those groups sang?
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On December 23 2011 18:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:50 HowardRoark wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 18:46 HowardRoark wrote:
I am happy Hero goes for Templars, because it makes PvZ games interesting to watch compared to balls of Colossus, but why do it when Colossus balls seem to much better (albeit so much more boring)? Do he skip Colossus balls for entertainment or that the skill cap for Templars are higher than Colossus balls? He skipped Colossi as soon as his entire army died to mutas because you can't defend mutas on Dual Sight when going fast colossi off 2 base. Ok. Protoss is so much more fun to watch whenever they skip Colossus completely, feels like a different race, feels like Protoss again with storms, archons and good action all over the place. It's really cool when Protosses use other comps, but this was more necessity than anything else.
Imagine if Storms could stack, then there would not be any need to ever go Colossus ball again. It would be insanely OP, but it would rock to be able to enjoy P games again.
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July fighting like a baws
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On December 23 2011 18:52 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas.. He went lair before third (the standard third timing nowadays is 4:30-5mins, his was at like 6:30 lol), went for a ton of lings to be safe (near identical worker counts, July just had the 3rd for the gas) and scouted at the fastest possible timing reliably. You're wrong dude =/ Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:51 hugedong wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o It was the least safe muta build you could've done other than 1 base muta. He had 10 lings and 0 spines which would've very easily died to any 5+ gate pressure. He did do 5gate pressure O_o He just did the warp prism variant that Sase and a few others do. There were a lot more than 10 lings out before the mutas. I don't know what else to say, haha.
i seriously doubt 10 min muta was reactionary to what he scouted. that's all i'm saying
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On December 23 2011 18:55 Seeker wrote:
Btw, was anyone around during KPOP? Do u guys know
a) which groups were shown?
b) which songs those groups sang?
I got B covered
Working out A is the hard part 
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
Has Hassybaby already done the stats for TDA?
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On December 23 2011 18:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:50 gruff wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o I see this all the time. When a player choose a risky or simply bad strategy and lose, people call it like the other player blind counter him. I don't think they really understand what it means. Going straight to spire on just lings is very risky, but July must've studied Hero's builds. When's the last time you've seen Hero do like a 7 gate all in?
i heard that july evolved a special overlord to study hero's build for him, and thats why there were only lings before spire.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
Game Three on Tal'Darim Altar
In the bottom left is  JYP
In the top right is  Luvsic
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On December 23 2011 18:56 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:52 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas.. He went lair before third (the standard third timing nowadays is 4:30-5mins, his was at like 6:30 lol), went for a ton of lings to be safe (near identical worker counts, July just had the 3rd for the gas) and scouted at the fastest possible timing reliably. You're wrong dude =/ On December 23 2011 18:51 hugedong wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o It was the least safe muta build you could've done other than 1 base muta. He had 10 lings and 0 spines which would've very easily died to any 5+ gate pressure. He did do 5gate pressure O_o He just did the warp prism variant that Sase and a few others do. There were a lot more than 10 lings out before the mutas. I don't know what else to say, haha. i seriously doubt 10 min muta was reactionary to what he scouted. that's all i'm saying
Of course he was rushing muta - the 'safety' of it was what he adjusted based on his scouting. By his third and lair timing alone he was pretty much locked into his tech lol.
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On December 23 2011 18:56 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:52 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas.. He went lair before third (the standard third timing nowadays is 4:30-5mins, his was at like 6:30 lol), went for a ton of lings to be safe (near identical worker counts, July just had the 3rd for the gas) and scouted at the fastest possible timing reliably. You're wrong dude =/ On December 23 2011 18:51 hugedong wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o It was the least safe muta build you could've done other than 1 base muta. He had 10 lings and 0 spines which would've very easily died to any 5+ gate pressure. He did do 5gate pressure O_o He just did the warp prism variant that Sase and a few others do. There were a lot more than 10 lings out before the mutas. I don't know what else to say, haha. i seriously doubt 10 min muta was reactionary to what he scouted. that's all i'm saying
As mentioned earlier - july is the underdog and weaker player. I don't like either player and I wanted july to lose actually. Yes, july coin-flipped on the mutas. However, hero say the overseer and knew mutas could be on the way, but he coin flipped that there wasn't one when he had scouting options available to him.
Saying that hero's coin flip was justifiable because july coin flipped is incorrect.
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