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On December 23 2011 18:56 Seeker wrote:
Has Hassybaby already done the stats for TDA?
TAL'DARIM ALTAR
JYP is 2-3 on this map in the GSL, while Luvsic is 1-1
Luvsic has only played Protoss on this map, going 1-1 overall (beating HongUn, but losing to Creator.) Too bad JYP is unbeaten on this map vZ, taking out DRG, Life, Sleep and WCG runner up Xigua! These guys have yet to play each other
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On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to.
Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay.
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On December 23 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Tal'Darim AltarIn the bottom left is  JYP In the top right is  Luvsic
3:00
Pool first for Luvsic
Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
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On December 23 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:
3:00Pool first for Luvsic Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
3:50
Expansion on the way for Luvsic
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On December 23 2011 18:59 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:On December 23 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Tal'Darim AltarIn the bottom left is JYP In the top right is Luvsic
3:00Pool first for Luvsic Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
3:50Expansion on the way for Luvsic
4:10
Double gas and a gate for JYP
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On December 23 2011 18:57 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:56 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:52 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas.. He went lair before third (the standard third timing nowadays is 4:30-5mins, his was at like 6:30 lol), went for a ton of lings to be safe (near identical worker counts, July just had the 3rd for the gas) and scouted at the fastest possible timing reliably. You're wrong dude =/ On December 23 2011 18:51 hugedong wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o It was the least safe muta build you could've done other than 1 base muta. He had 10 lings and 0 spines which would've very easily died to any 5+ gate pressure. He did do 5gate pressure O_o He just did the warp prism variant that Sase and a few others do. There were a lot more than 10 lings out before the mutas. I don't know what else to say, haha. i seriously doubt 10 min muta was reactionary to what he scouted. that's all i'm saying As mentioned earlier - july is the underdog and weaker player. I don't like either player and I wanted july to lose actually. However, hero say the overseer and knew mutas could be on the way, but he coin flipped that there wasn't one when he had scouting options available to him.
But is he? Hero has never made a convincing case that he is a Code S level Protoss.
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On December 23 2011 18:56 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:52 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas.. He went lair before third (the standard third timing nowadays is 4:30-5mins, his was at like 6:30 lol), went for a ton of lings to be safe (near identical worker counts, July just had the 3rd for the gas) and scouted at the fastest possible timing reliably. You're wrong dude =/ On December 23 2011 18:51 hugedong wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o It was the least safe muta build you could've done other than 1 base muta. He had 10 lings and 0 spines which would've very easily died to any 5+ gate pressure. He did do 5gate pressure O_o He just did the warp prism variant that Sase and a few others do. There were a lot more than 10 lings out before the mutas. I don't know what else to say, haha. i seriously doubt 10 min muta was reactionary to what he scouted. that's all i'm saying
If you know your opponent has gone for a quick lair, you simply have to consider all options. Just completely ignoring one possibility is just plain bad. Stop trying to defend Hero or make it seem like July rolled a dice and got lucky. It's Hero's fault that he lost the game.
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Now that is a very quick third. In under 5 mins!
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On December 23 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Tal'Darim AltarIn the bottom left is JYP In the top right is Luvsic
3:00Pool first for Luvsic Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
3:50Expansion on the way for Luvsic
4:10Double gas and a gate for JYP
5:00
Third base starting for Luvsic
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On December 23 2011 18:57 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:56 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:52 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas.. He went lair before third (the standard third timing nowadays is 4:30-5mins, his was at like 6:30 lol), went for a ton of lings to be safe (near identical worker counts, July just had the 3rd for the gas) and scouted at the fastest possible timing reliably. You're wrong dude =/ On December 23 2011 18:51 hugedong wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o It was the least safe muta build you could've done other than 1 base muta. He had 10 lings and 0 spines which would've very easily died to any 5+ gate pressure. He did do 5gate pressure O_o He just did the warp prism variant that Sase and a few others do. There were a lot more than 10 lings out before the mutas. I don't know what else to say, haha. i seriously doubt 10 min muta was reactionary to what he scouted. that's all i'm saying As mentioned earlier - july is the underdog and weaker player. I don't like either player and I wanted july to lose actually. However, hero say the overseer and knew mutas could be on the way, but he coin flipped that there wasn't one when he had scouting options available to him.
Get real, Hero doing well in Foreigner tours without code s competition doesn't mean he's anything on Code S players.
His success in the GSL is proof of that, the same for Puma.
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On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay.
StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL.
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On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay.
nuff said me thinks! july was by NO means the underdog.
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On December 23 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Tal'Darim AltarIn the bottom left is JYP In the top right is Luvsic
3:00Pool first for Luvsic Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
3:50Expansion on the way for Luvsic
4:10Double gas and a gate for JYP
5:00Third base starting for Luvsic
5:30
Core on the way for JYP
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On December 23 2011 18:57 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 23 2011 18:50 gruff wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o I see this all the time. When a player choose a risky or simply bad strategy and lose, people call it like the other player blind counter him. I don't think they really understand what it means. Going straight to spire on just lings is very risky, but July must've studied Hero's builds. When's the last time you've seen Hero do like a 7 gate all in? i heard that july evolved a special overlord to study hero's build for him, and thats why there were only lings before spire.
The spire was almost nearly done before then.
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The real person who completely coin-flipped was HerO LOL. He's the one who ignored the fact that overseer and hence lair was finished that mutalisks could be on the way. He guessed roaches or infestors and was completely wrong.
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On December 23 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Tal'Darim AltarIn the bottom left is JYP In the top right is Luvsic
3:00Pool first for Luvsic Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
3:50Expansion on the way for Luvsic
4:10Double gas and a gate for JYP
5:00Third base starting for Luvsic
5:30Core on the way for JYP
7:00
Stargate and three gates with warp tech and +1 for JYP
Lair roach warren and ling speed for luvsic
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On December 23 2011 19:00 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay. StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL.
If Squirtle played like he did in practice, he would be in the GSL Ro8. Doesn't really matter how someone plays when there's no pressure.
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Looks like 4 gate assault with Void ray on the cross expo.
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On December 23 2011 18:43 neoghaleon55 wrote:
July's soooo bad
lol
a failed 6pool and now banelings into stalkers when 2105981130985 probes are right next door
He still won  Go July !
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On December 23 2011 19:00 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:57 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:56 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:52 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas.. He went lair before third (the standard third timing nowadays is 4:30-5mins, his was at like 6:30 lol), went for a ton of lings to be safe (near identical worker counts, July just had the 3rd for the gas) and scouted at the fastest possible timing reliably. You're wrong dude =/ On December 23 2011 18:51 hugedong wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o It was the least safe muta build you could've done other than 1 base muta. He had 10 lings and 0 spines which would've very easily died to any 5+ gate pressure. He did do 5gate pressure O_o He just did the warp prism variant that Sase and a few others do. There were a lot more than 10 lings out before the mutas. I don't know what else to say, haha. i seriously doubt 10 min muta was reactionary to what he scouted. that's all i'm saying As mentioned earlier - july is the underdog and weaker player. I don't like either player and I wanted july to lose actually. However, hero say the overseer and knew mutas could be on the way, but he coin flipped that there wasn't one when he had scouting options available to him. Get real, Hero doing well in Foreigner tours without code s competition doesn't mean he's anything on Code S players. His success in the GSL is proof of that, the same for Puma.
Ok, whatever... anyways, my initial point - i'm criticising hero for coin flipping when he had information available. Whether july coin flipped or not is besides the point. Whether who is better or not is a moot point.
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