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On December 23 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Tal'Darim AltarIn the bottom left is  JYP In the top right is  Luvsic
3:00Pool first for Luvsic Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
3:50Expansion on the way for Luvsic
4:10Double gas and a gate for JYP
5:00Third base starting for Luvsic
5:30Core on the way for JYP
7:00Stargate and three gates with warp tech and +1 for JYP Lair roach warren and ling speed for luvsic
8:30
Mass spores for Luvsic
Big attack on the way for JYP
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On December 23 2011 19:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 19:00 Fyzar wrote:On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay. StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL. If Squirtle played like he did in practice, he would be in the GSL Ro8. Doesn't really matter how someone plays when there's no pressure.
Since when has anyone said squirtle is a top 8 GSL player in practice?
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JYP got supply blocked and is gonna get rocked...!
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On December 23 2011 19:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 19:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 19:00 Fyzar wrote:On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay. StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL. If Squirtle played like he did in practice, he would be in the GSL Ro8. Doesn't really matter how someone plays when there's no pressure. Since when has anyone said squirtle is a top 8 GSL player in practice?
Maybe he was talking about pokemon speedrun practice?
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Well, that failed miserably.
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Attack fails by JYP, if Luvsic gets his 4th on his normal expo he'll be ahead.
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JYP copying his build he did vs violet on Daybreak a while ago in the GSL.
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On December 23 2011 19:00 Fyzar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay. StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL.
I really agree with this. While July does have more GSL accomplishments, considering the hype from his sc1 career, he has been rather lackluster in these later seasons. As well as his finals run was a really weak lineup, he got a bit lucky (not saying he didnt deserve it)
If Hero played his best, I would consider him a slight favorite.
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Hehe Nydus Network  JYP gonna get a nice little present
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On December 23 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Tal'Darim AltarIn the bottom left is JYP In the top right is Luvsic
3:00Pool first for Luvsic Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
3:50Expansion on the way for Luvsic
4:10Double gas and a gate for JYP
5:00Third base starting for Luvsic
5:30Core on the way for JYP
7:00Stargate and three gates with warp tech and +1 for JYP Lair roach warren and ling speed for luvsic
8:30Mass spores for Luvsic Big attack on the way for JYP
10:50
Nydus for Luvsic
JYP going tobo and blink along with a third
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Since he is part of Liquid, HerO is highly overrated, so prepare to see him loose roughly guys (just my opinion)
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On December 23 2011 19:02 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 19:00 Elefanto wrote:On December 23 2011 18:57 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:56 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:52 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Assirra wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. No he didn't. Hero failed to read the situation when he saw the lair tech. when has no spine + relatively quick 3rd + standard lair timing (after 3rd hatch) ever meant 10 min mutas.. He went lair before third (the standard third timing nowadays is 4:30-5mins, his was at like 6:30 lol), went for a ton of lings to be safe (near identical worker counts, July just had the 3rd for the gas) and scouted at the fastest possible timing reliably. You're wrong dude =/ On December 23 2011 18:51 hugedong wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Jehct wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far. July played a pretty safe/standard muta opening and he was blind countering? He actually scouted with an overseer, unlike Hero (who went prism before obs) O_o It was the least safe muta build you could've done other than 1 base muta. He had 10 lings and 0 spines which would've very easily died to any 5+ gate pressure. He did do 5gate pressure O_o He just did the warp prism variant that Sase and a few others do. There were a lot more than 10 lings out before the mutas. I don't know what else to say, haha. i seriously doubt 10 min muta was reactionary to what he scouted. that's all i'm saying As mentioned earlier - july is the underdog and weaker player. I don't like either player and I wanted july to lose actually. However, hero say the overseer and knew mutas could be on the way, but he coin flipped that there wasn't one when he had scouting options available to him. Get real, Hero doing well in Foreigner tours without code s competition doesn't mean he's anything on Code S players. His success in the GSL is proof of that, the same for Puma. Ok, whatever... anyways, my initial point - i'm criticising hero for coin flipping when he had information available. Whether july coin flipped or not is besides the point. Whether who is better or not is a moot point.
Building mutas is not a coin-flip, July just went with a 2 base muta strat and HerO just failed.
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Huge misplacement by Luvsic on that Nydus.
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Holy shit this is the night of gigantic blunders. I'm getting so frustrated lol
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On December 23 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on Tal'Darim AltarIn the bottom left is JYP In the top right is Luvsic
3:00Pool first for Luvsic Probe blocks the expansion of Luvsic and expands
3:50Expansion on the way for Luvsic
4:10Double gas and a gate for JYP
5:00Third base starting for Luvsic
5:30Core on the way for JYP
7:00Stargate and three gates with warp tech and +1 for JYP Lair roach warren and ling speed for luvsic
8:30Mass spores for Luvsic Big attack on the way for JYP
10:50Nydus for Luvsic JYP going tobo and blink along with a third
12:20
Hydra den for Luvsic
Both nyduses fail
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On December 23 2011 19:04 Yang Wenli wrote:
Huge misplacement by Luvsic on that Nydus.
Yeah there was other spots in the base without vision.
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Nydus would be good if it didn't die against 2 probes and it didn't take ages to set up
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On December 23 2011 19:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 19:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 19:00 Fyzar wrote:On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay. StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL. If Squirtle played like he did in practice, he would be in the GSL Ro8. Doesn't really matter how someone plays when there's no pressure. Since when has anyone said squirtle is a top 8 GSL player in practice?
From what I've heard Squirtle consistently finishes 2nd in the Startale internal rankings and he's crushed Bomber several times on his stream. But you wouldn't know that if you only watched his game against Boxer, where he looked incredibly mediocre for the majority of the game.
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On December 23 2011 19:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 19:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 23 2011 19:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 19:00 Fyzar wrote:On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay. StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL. If Squirtle played like he did in practice, he would be in the GSL Ro8. Doesn't really matter how someone plays when there's no pressure. Since when has anyone said squirtle is a top 8 GSL player in practice? From what I've heard Squirtle consistently finishes 2nd in the Startale internal rankings and he's crushed Bomber several times on his stream. But you wouldn't know that if you only watched his game against Boxer.
And Bomber has never even made it to a ro8.
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On December 23 2011 19:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 19:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 19:00 Fyzar wrote:On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:45 Elefanto wrote:
Funny how all hailed Hero as the best Protoss when other were failing left and right in Code S, but now that Hero plays against the same opponents he looks as mortal / "bad" as the others were before him. how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay. StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL. If Squirtle played like he did in practice, he would be in the GSL Ro8. Doesn't really matter how someone plays when there's no pressure. Since when has anyone said squirtle is a top 8 GSL player in practice?
He's said to be top2 in Startale. GSL Ro8 is probably an exaggeration, but when you look at previous Ro8'rs, it's not a huge leap.
On December 23 2011 19:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 19:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 19:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 23 2011 19:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 19:00 Fyzar wrote:On December 23 2011 18:58 GreatestThreat wrote:On December 23 2011 18:55 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:49 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 23 2011 18:48 Azzur wrote:On December 23 2011 18:47 Alejandrisha wrote:
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how did he look bad? july blind countered him.. It wasn't so much of a blind counter - it was coin flipping by hero july flipped the biggest coin of all. the gates he scouted could have easily gone into a quick gw timing that would have smashed what he was doing (no spines, either) and it's not like he saw the pylon to know some kind of pressure was going to head to the third I don't dispute you that july coin flipped - but that's besides the point - july is the weaker player and he took a risk. Hero took the risk when he had information not to. Golden Mouse Winner. GSL Finalist. Consistent high-level Code S Zerg. The weaker player. Hahaha okay. StarCraft I, Like 5 seasons ago, and no he is not a consistent player. Not saying he is the weaker player either, but if HerO plays like he does on stream, he might be. Though, I do agree that he has not shown good stuff yet in GSL. If Squirtle played like he did in practice, he would be in the GSL Ro8. Doesn't really matter how someone plays when there's no pressure. Since when has anyone said squirtle is a top 8 GSL player in practice? From what I've heard Squirtle consistently finishes 2nd in the Startale internal rankings and he's crushed Bomber several times on his stream. But you wouldn't know that if you only watched his game against Boxer. And Bomber has never even made it to a ro8.
July made a finals =/ You have to compare practice with practice or GSL with GSL, don't arbitrarily switch O_o
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