EPT[GSL] Jan Up/Down Matches D2 - Page 172
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On December 21 2011 01:43 las91 wrote: I think Protoss players need to not freak out about this group. SangHo has been sooooooo off his game for months now, he hasn't looked good since like September GSL or something along those lines. As for Tassadar, he is a largely unproven talent, with one good Code A run and a couple stints in Code B (I'm a Protoss player btw, I just don't think all that much of these two in particular). Agreed. This group didn't exactly contain the Protoss race's hopes and dreams. SangHo is a slightly better HongUn - quite consistent, pretty good but not as sick as you have to be to make it to Code S now. Tassadar is the king of all-ins who got crushed by Puzzle in Code A finals - a bit like MC, but without the flair, originality or unpredictability. And yesterday. Alicia hasn't looked promising in god knows how long, and Huk has only been hyped up because he's a foreigner and won an MLG playing mostly PvPs (and has since then been highly inconsistent in PvP). Out of the bunch, I would say HuK is probably the most promising, and he has looked streaky since forever. Currently, I think there are only 2 REALLY good Protoss players in the world: Oz and MC. Behind them, you have the likes of Brown, Huk, HerO, Puzzle and Naniwa, all of whom have made splashes but have yet to make it big in GSL or else appear to have gaping flaws in their play. The 3rd tier of Protoss consists of Tassadar, SangHo, Alicia et al. None of them have a big chance of making big splashes, but are still notable. | ||
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jakoh
Canada237 Posts
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FreshVegetables
Finland513 Posts
On December 21 2011 00:12 human_ko wrote: I think because there're many terrans in Code S already. Or am I wrong? Tell us why. Your exactly right. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On December 21 2011 01:44 Kira__ wrote: Uhm morrow went 1-3 just like tassadar and ryung, I'd say he showed that the invite wasn't wasted Well, he now has a better record than NaNiwa (and most foreigners) in the GSL, so his invite wasn't a waste at all. I only watched Morrow's match against Ryung, and gosh is Morrow ever bad at dealing with nukes. And drops, really. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if he kept Code A next season. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
Next game, he scouts an all-in, gets the right unit comp for it (it still would of been close of killer would have all-ined) and then killer just expands so Morrow is behind. Considering its pretty much impossible to pressure on antigua as zerg, I don't see how it's fair, but I guess that's just the current map pool. What could he really have done against Killer's 3 base army if he lost that badly even with superior upgrades? The answer is about 10 broodlords, which he couldn't afford because he had to make roaches and infestors (huge investment for nothing) in the mid game. He took ZERO damage the entire game, yet didn't have to income for hive tech because he had to get defenses to defend the threat of an all-in. It's REALLY hard to defend blink all-in, even with infestors, so he HAD to get these units. Really trying to figure out what he did wrong. I really don't see how you can beat a lategame protoss army if you had to make a midgame investment yielding nothing. Even if you're two bases ahead. Still, sucks to see Morrow lose for such ridiculous reasons. His last game... well BO losses are going to happen as Zerg. | ||
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alepov
Netherlands1132 Posts
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 21 2011 01:53 SeaSwift wrote: Agreed. This group didn't exactly contain the Protoss race's hopes and dreams. SangHo is a slightly better HongUn - quite consistent, pretty good but not as sick as you have to be to make it to Code S now. Tassadar is the king of all-ins who got crushed by Puzzle in Code A finals - a bit like MC, but without the flair, originality or unpredictability. And yesterday. Alicia hasn't looked promising in god knows how long, and Huk has only been hyped up because he's a foreigner and won an MLG playing mostly PvPs (and has since then been highly inconsistent in PvP). Out of the bunch, I would say HuK is probably the most promising, and he has looked streaky since forever. Currently, I think there are only 2 REALLY good Protoss players in the world: Oz and MC. Behind them, you have the likes of Brown, Huk, HerO, Puzzle and Naniwa, all of whom have made splashes but have yet to make it big in GSL or else appear to have gaping flaws in their play. The 3rd tier of Protoss consists of Tassadar, SangHo, Alicia et al. None of them have a big chance of making big splashes, but are still notable. But today at least proved that in macro games, the lesser player loses, even if the matchup is PvT and he is Protoss, and I think that's good for the game. I was almost convinced by the bunch of whining on TL that TvP was unwinnable after 15 minutes. Well, it's not if you're better than your opponent apparently. Otherwise, I completely agree with you on Oz and MC. Especially MC, people disregard him too quickly, even though he's probably still the best Protoss in the world. I don't remember too much of Oz's PvZ though. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On December 21 2011 02:06 Steel wrote: Poor morrow. Sucks for him. He loses against protoss because zerg can only scout once against forge FE. There's actually no way to stop double stargate from doing enough damage if you don't scout it. Next game, he scouts an all-in, gets the right unit comp for it (it still would of been close of killer would have all-ined) and then killer just expands so Morrow is behind. Considering its pretty much impossible to pressure on antigua as zerg, I don't see how it's fair, but I guess that's just the current map pool. What could he really have done against Killer's 3 base army if he lost that badly even with superior upgrades? The answer is about 10 broodlords, which he couldn't afford because he had to make roaches and infestors (huge investment for nothing) in the mid game. He took ZERO damage the entire game, yet didn't have to income for hive tech because he had to get defenses to defend the threat of an all-in. It's REALLY hard to defend blink all-in, even with infestors, so he HAD to get these units. Really trying to figure out what he did wrong. I really don't see how you can beat a lategame protoss army if you had to make a midgame investment yielding nothing. Even if you're two bases ahead. Still, sucks to see Morrow lose for such ridiculous reasons. His last game... well BO losses are going to happen as Zerg. Stop trying to whine about Zerg while not appearing to. Every statement you make has implications that ZvP is really imbalanced, and you keep going on about how "it's going to happen as Zerg". No. ZvP was highly Zerg favoured in Korea (out of mostly how the metagame is developed, and because for a long time Protoss followed MC and only MC for guidance) for the past few months, and there's no indication that Protoss is too good in PvZ at the moment. In all of the games today, it's pretty safe to say that the better player won. | ||
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Mortal
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Sabu113
United States11068 Posts
Unfortunate that there are two more terran but Tassadar hasn't looked the same since his Code A run and Sang Ho has had a history of just stupid decision making (or in this case a will to lose all his templar t.t). | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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WCX
74 Posts
On December 20 2011 23:13 Soma.bokforlag wrote: atleast something good came out of Nanis actions.. we will never again see GOM force us to see meaningless games remember this haters! you got naniwa to thank for this *reads post* *checks poster's country* *sighs* | ||
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babo213
United States266 Posts
I'm surprised he didn't get a warn considering some other posts got warns for stuff.. People need to get over the naniwa stuff and realize the blizzcup was a special year-end tournament. and gom never has players do up&down matches that aren't neceessary. | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
On December 21 2011 01:44 Kira__ wrote: Uhm morrow went 1-3 just like tassadar and ryung, I'd say he showed that the invite wasn't wasted are you freaking kidding me?? so not getting completely destroyed is the standard for measuring success?? give me a break, morrow failed and shouldn't have even been given this opportunity. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:16 striderxxx wrote: are you freaking kidding me?? so not getting completely destroyed is the standard for measuring success?? give me a break, morrow failed and shouldn't have even been given this opportunity. So Tassadar and Ryung are both also players you don't think deserved to be in the up/downs? If you are evaluating this purely by results, it is fair to say the same for Ryung and Tassadar. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:32 Mohdoo wrote: So Tassadar and Ryung are both also players you don't think deserved to be in the up/downs? If you are evaluating this purely by results, it is fair to say the same for Ryung and Tassadar. I think he meant that Ryung and Tassadar both worked their way through Code A to get to Up/Downs, whereas Morrow was invited straight to Up/Downs. The "opportunity" he is talking about is Morrow given direct access to Up/Downs, not just being in the Up/Downs at all. | ||
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