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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
December 20 2011 19:55 GMT
#3441
NaDa and Bomber both making it through.

Good week so far, good week.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 20 2011 19:55 GMT
#3442
On December 21 2011 04:36 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 04:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On December 21 2011 04:16 striderxxx wrote:
On December 21 2011 01:44 Kira__ wrote:
Uhm morrow went 1-3 just like tassadar and ryung, I'd say he showed that the invite wasn't wasted


are you freaking kidding me?? so not getting completely destroyed is the standard for measuring success?? give me a break, morrow failed and shouldn't have even been given this opportunity.


So Tassadar and Ryung are both also players you don't think deserved to be in the up/downs? If you are evaluating this purely by results, it is fair to say the same for Ryung and Tassadar.


I think he meant that Ryung and Tassadar both worked their way through Code A to get to Up/Downs, whereas Morrow was invited straight to Up/Downs.

The "opportunity" he is talking about is Morrow given direct access to Up/Downs, not just being in the Up/Downs at all.


Right, but all he was referring to were his results. I also think that people need to consider how much more excitement and interest foreigners in GSL generates. The GSL is hugely comprised of really well performing Koreans, but throwing in some top foreigners keeps things exciting and makes a lot of people watch, whom may not have watched otherwise. Its not like the entire sanctity of the GSL has been compromised from Morrow going 1-3.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 20 2011 20:16 GMT
#3443
Does anyone else find this format exceptionally boring and tedious? I haven't managed to find the endurance to finish either up/down night, which is extremely odd for me because I sit through every GSL match.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 20 2011 20:38 GMT
#3444
On December 21 2011 05:16 Tachion wrote:
Does anyone else find this format exceptionally boring and tedious? I haven't managed to find the endurance to finish either up/down night, which is extremely odd for me because I sit through every GSL match.


I definitely prefer an up/down over a TvT or a ZvZ match.
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
December 20 2011 21:33 GMT
#3445
On December 21 2011 02:06 Steel wrote:
Poor morrow. Sucks for him. He loses against protoss because zerg can only scout once against forge FE. There's actually no way to stop double stargate from doing enough damage if you don't scout it.

Next game, he scouts an all-in, gets the right unit comp for it (it still would of been close of killer would have all-ined) and then killer just expands so Morrow is behind. Considering its pretty much impossible to pressure on antigua as zerg, I don't see how it's fair, but I guess that's just the current map pool. What could he really have done against Killer's 3 base army if he lost that badly even with superior upgrades? The answer is about 10 broodlords, which he couldn't afford because he had to make roaches and infestors (huge investment for nothing) in the mid game. He took ZERO damage the entire game, yet didn't have to income for hive tech because he had to get defenses to defend the threat of an all-in. It's REALLY hard to defend blink all-in, even with infestors, so he HAD to get these units. Really trying to figure out what he did wrong. I really don't see how you can beat a lategame protoss army if you had to make a midgame investment yielding nothing. Even if you're two bases ahead.

Still, sucks to see Morrow lose for such ridiculous reasons. His last game... well BO losses are going to happen as Zerg.



You should stop this. He is just not at the level to defeat those players and that is all. Toss is a race top Korean zergs do not lose to. What Tassadar and Killer did was not sth brilliant or what, it was sth usual and if you r good enough, u would beat them.
Look at the gsl zvp win rate, it is the easiest matchup a zerg player can play at the moment.
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
December 20 2011 21:37 GMT
#3446
On December 21 2011 04:05 Chicane wrote:
I did not realize Morrow was going to be in these up and downs. O_O In any event, with Lucky going up yesterday, and Bomber and Gumiho today, I think all the people who really deserve to be there got into code S. I suppose Ryung not being in is unfortunate, but obviously it was impossible. I'm happy with the results. :D


Ryung's tvp looked good this time, I was really surprised that he did not win a TVT and lost his T v Z game too.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 22:04:53
December 20 2011 21:55 GMT
#3447
Ah the, good old EZ Strategy to Beat Foreigners:

Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive.
Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making.
Step 3. ez wins.

Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy.
Marines > everything
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 20 2011 21:57 GMT
#3448
Is there any other foreigners in other groups?
CokeFTW
Profile Joined November 2011
United States39 Posts
December 20 2011 22:02 GMT
#3449
Ryung always looked shakey in TvP TvZ but he has some top tier TVT
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
December 20 2011 22:09 GMT
#3450
Nice to see Bomber back in form.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 20 2011 22:22 GMT
#3451
On December 21 2011 07:02 CokeFTW wrote:
Ryung always looked shakey in TvP TvZ but he has some top tier TVT


Even his TvT looked questionable today.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 20 2011 22:25 GMT
#3452
On December 21 2011 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 04:36 SeaSwift wrote:
On December 21 2011 04:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On December 21 2011 04:16 striderxxx wrote:
On December 21 2011 01:44 Kira__ wrote:
Uhm morrow went 1-3 just like tassadar and ryung, I'd say he showed that the invite wasn't wasted


are you freaking kidding me?? so not getting completely destroyed is the standard for measuring success?? give me a break, morrow failed and shouldn't have even been given this opportunity.


So Tassadar and Ryung are both also players you don't think deserved to be in the up/downs? If you are evaluating this purely by results, it is fair to say the same for Ryung and Tassadar.


I think he meant that Ryung and Tassadar both worked their way through Code A to get to Up/Downs, whereas Morrow was invited straight to Up/Downs.

The "opportunity" he is talking about is Morrow given direct access to Up/Downs, not just being in the Up/Downs at all.


Right, but all he was referring to were his results. I also think that people need to consider how much more excitement and interest foreigners in GSL generates. The GSL is hugely comprised of really well performing Koreans, but throwing in some top foreigners keeps things exciting and makes a lot of people watch, whom may not have watched otherwise. Its not like the entire sanctity of the GSL has been compromised from Morrow going 1-3.



Maybe for you, but when they start inviting people based solely off reputation I actually watch less of the GSL
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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
December 20 2011 22:37 GMT
#3453
On December 21 2011 02:06 Steel wrote:
Poor morrow. Sucks for him. He loses against protoss because zerg can only scout once against forge FE. There's actually no way to stop double stargate from doing enough damage if you don't scout it.

Next game, he scouts an all-in, gets the right unit comp for it (it still would of been close of killer would have all-ined) and then killer just expands so Morrow is behind. Considering its pretty much impossible to pressure on antigua as zerg, I don't see how it's fair, but I guess that's just the current map pool. What could he really have done against Killer's 3 base army if he lost that badly even with superior upgrades? The answer is about 10 broodlords, which he couldn't afford because he had to make roaches and infestors (huge investment for nothing) in the mid game. He took ZERO damage the entire game, yet didn't have to income for hive tech because he had to get defenses to defend the threat of an all-in. It's REALLY hard to defend blink all-in, even with infestors, so he HAD to get these units. Really trying to figure out what he did wrong. I really don't see how you can beat a lategame protoss army if you had to make a midgame investment yielding nothing. Even if you're two bases ahead.

Still, sucks to see Morrow lose for such ridiculous reasons. His last game... well BO losses are going to happen as Zerg.

Wow.... Looking for flame..
Morrow has the capability beat these people, stop whining and blaming zerg now...
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 20 2011 23:25 GMT
#3454
Wow, FXO is really getting a lot of Code S members nowdays, so good to see Gumiho do well.

Also good to see Bomber hasn't continued his super slump.
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DMKraft
Profile Joined December 2010
476 Posts
December 20 2011 23:30 GMT
#3455
Morrow did not look outclassed in any game. 2/3 of players don't make it out of up and downs, doesn't mean he won't do well in code A!

I think Huk and Morrow can both do well this season.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
December 20 2011 23:36 GMT
#3456
On December 21 2011 06:55 vnlegend wrote:
Ah the, good old EZ Strategy to Beat Foreigners:

Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive.
Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making.
Step 3. ez wins.

Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy.





Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making.

Isn't this how you win any game? Somone has to make a mistake for the game to finally end... Lol.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 20 2011 23:48 GMT
#3457
On December 21 2011 06:55 vnlegend wrote:
Ah the, good old EZ Strategy to Beat Foreigners:

Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive.
Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making.
Step 3. ez wins.

Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy.

idk what to say about u lol.
step 1: if foreigners are too slow and can't handle pressures like others Koreans then they deserved to lose from here.
step 2: Is that a obvious reason to win in every game? I mean if everyone plays perfectly and no mistake whatsoever then who'd win anyway?
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
December 21 2011 00:17 GMT
#3458
On December 21 2011 08:48 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 06:55 vnlegend wrote:
Ah the, good old EZ Strategy to Beat Foreigners:

Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive.
Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making.
Step 3. ez wins.

Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy.

idk what to say about u lol.
step 1: if foreigners are too slow and can't handle pressures like others Koreans then they deserved to lose from here.
step 2: Is that a obvious reason to win in every game? I mean if everyone plays perfectly and no mistake whatsoever then who'd win anyway?


The Terran.
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Kidding
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
December 21 2011 00:27 GMT
#3459
On December 21 2011 06:55 vnlegend wrote:
Ah the, good old EZ Strategy to Beat Foreigners:

Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive.
Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making.
Step 3. ez wins.

Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy.

In fairness, this is also how Koreans beat Koreans.
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
December 21 2011 02:18 GMT
#3460
On December 21 2011 07:25 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:
On December 21 2011 04:36 SeaSwift wrote:
On December 21 2011 04:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On December 21 2011 04:16 striderxxx wrote:
On December 21 2011 01:44 Kira__ wrote:
Uhm morrow went 1-3 just like tassadar and ryung, I'd say he showed that the invite wasn't wasted


are you freaking kidding me?? so not getting completely destroyed is the standard for measuring success?? give me a break, morrow failed and shouldn't have even been given this opportunity.


So Tassadar and Ryung are both also players you don't think deserved to be in the up/downs? If you are evaluating this purely by results, it is fair to say the same for Ryung and Tassadar.


I think he meant that Ryung and Tassadar both worked their way through Code A to get to Up/Downs, whereas Morrow was invited straight to Up/Downs.

The "opportunity" he is talking about is Morrow given direct access to Up/Downs, not just being in the Up/Downs at all.


Right, but all he was referring to were his results. I also think that people need to consider how much more excitement and interest foreigners in GSL generates. The GSL is hugely comprised of really well performing Koreans, but throwing in some top foreigners keeps things exciting and makes a lot of people watch, whom may not have watched otherwise. Its not like the entire sanctity of the GSL has been compromised from Morrow going 1-3.



Maybe for you, but when they start inviting people based solely off reputation I actually watch less of the GSL


you mean, you don't like seeing koreans destroying foreign fan favourites on the gsl format? i assume you should since you don't like them being there in the first place.

i myself, always root for foreigners in the gsl till probably to the round of 8, then yearn for their crushing defeat afterwards. it warms my heart
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