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[GSL] Jan Up/Down Matches D2 - Page 173
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babylon
8765 Posts
Good week so far, good week. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:36 SeaSwift wrote: I think he meant that Ryung and Tassadar both worked their way through Code A to get to Up/Downs, whereas Morrow was invited straight to Up/Downs. The "opportunity" he is talking about is Morrow given direct access to Up/Downs, not just being in the Up/Downs at all. Right, but all he was referring to were his results. I also think that people need to consider how much more excitement and interest foreigners in GSL generates. The GSL is hugely comprised of really well performing Koreans, but throwing in some top foreigners keeps things exciting and makes a lot of people watch, whom may not have watched otherwise. Its not like the entire sanctity of the GSL has been compromised from Morrow going 1-3. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 21 2011 05:16 Tachion wrote: Does anyone else find this format exceptionally boring and tedious? I haven't managed to find the endurance to finish either up/down night, which is extremely odd for me because I sit through every GSL match. I definitely prefer an up/down over a TvT or a ZvZ match. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On December 21 2011 02:06 Steel wrote: Poor morrow. Sucks for him. He loses against protoss because zerg can only scout once against forge FE. There's actually no way to stop double stargate from doing enough damage if you don't scout it. Next game, he scouts an all-in, gets the right unit comp for it (it still would of been close of killer would have all-ined) and then killer just expands so Morrow is behind. Considering its pretty much impossible to pressure on antigua as zerg, I don't see how it's fair, but I guess that's just the current map pool. What could he really have done against Killer's 3 base army if he lost that badly even with superior upgrades? The answer is about 10 broodlords, which he couldn't afford because he had to make roaches and infestors (huge investment for nothing) in the mid game. He took ZERO damage the entire game, yet didn't have to income for hive tech because he had to get defenses to defend the threat of an all-in. It's REALLY hard to defend blink all-in, even with infestors, so he HAD to get these units. Really trying to figure out what he did wrong. I really don't see how you can beat a lategame protoss army if you had to make a midgame investment yielding nothing. Even if you're two bases ahead. Still, sucks to see Morrow lose for such ridiculous reasons. His last game... well BO losses are going to happen as Zerg. You should stop this. He is just not at the level to defeat those players and that is all. Toss is a race top Korean zergs do not lose to. What Tassadar and Killer did was not sth brilliant or what, it was sth usual and if you r good enough, u would beat them. Look at the gsl zvp win rate, it is the easiest matchup a zerg player can play at the moment. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:05 Chicane wrote: I did not realize Morrow was going to be in these up and downs. O_O In any event, with Lucky going up yesterday, and Bomber and Gumiho today, I think all the people who really deserve to be there got into code S. I suppose Ryung not being in is unfortunate, but obviously it was impossible. I'm happy with the results. :D Ryung's tvp looked good this time, I was really surprised that he did not win a TVT and lost his T v Z game too. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive. Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making. Step 3. ez wins. Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
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CokeFTW
United States39 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 21 2011 07:02 CokeFTW wrote: Ryung always looked shakey in TvP TvZ but he has some top tier TVT Even his TvT looked questionable today. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:55 Mohdoo wrote: Right, but all he was referring to were his results. I also think that people need to consider how much more excitement and interest foreigners in GSL generates. The GSL is hugely comprised of really well performing Koreans, but throwing in some top foreigners keeps things exciting and makes a lot of people watch, whom may not have watched otherwise. Its not like the entire sanctity of the GSL has been compromised from Morrow going 1-3. Maybe for you, but when they start inviting people based solely off reputation I actually watch less of the GSL | ||
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iSometric
2221 Posts
On December 21 2011 02:06 Steel wrote: Poor morrow. Sucks for him. He loses against protoss because zerg can only scout once against forge FE. There's actually no way to stop double stargate from doing enough damage if you don't scout it. Next game, he scouts an all-in, gets the right unit comp for it (it still would of been close of killer would have all-ined) and then killer just expands so Morrow is behind. Considering its pretty much impossible to pressure on antigua as zerg, I don't see how it's fair, but I guess that's just the current map pool. What could he really have done against Killer's 3 base army if he lost that badly even with superior upgrades? The answer is about 10 broodlords, which he couldn't afford because he had to make roaches and infestors (huge investment for nothing) in the mid game. He took ZERO damage the entire game, yet didn't have to income for hive tech because he had to get defenses to defend the threat of an all-in. It's REALLY hard to defend blink all-in, even with infestors, so he HAD to get these units. Really trying to figure out what he did wrong. I really don't see how you can beat a lategame protoss army if you had to make a midgame investment yielding nothing. Even if you're two bases ahead. Still, sucks to see Morrow lose for such ridiculous reasons. His last game... well BO losses are going to happen as Zerg. Wow.... Looking for flame.. Morrow has the capability beat these people, stop whining and blaming zerg now... | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
Also good to see Bomber hasn't continued his super slump. | ||
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DMKraft
476 Posts
I think Huk and Morrow can both do well this season. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On December 21 2011 06:55 vnlegend wrote: Ah the, good old EZ Strategy to Beat Foreigners: Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive. Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making. Step 3. ez wins. Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy. Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making. Isn't this how you win any game? Somone has to make a mistake for the game to finally end... Lol. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On December 21 2011 06:55 vnlegend wrote: Ah the, good old EZ Strategy to Beat Foreigners: Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive. Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making. Step 3. ez wins. Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy. idk what to say about u lol. step 1: if foreigners are too slow and can't handle pressures like others Koreans then they deserved to lose from here. step 2: Is that a obvious reason to win in every game? I mean if everyone plays perfectly and no mistake whatsoever then who'd win anyway? | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On December 21 2011 08:48 tuho12345 wrote: idk what to say about u lol. step 1: if foreigners are too slow and can't handle pressures like others Koreans then they deserved to lose from here. step 2: Is that a obvious reason to win in every game? I mean if everyone plays perfectly and no mistake whatsoever then who'd win anyway? The Terran. ... ... ... Kidding  | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On December 21 2011 06:55 vnlegend wrote: Ah the, good old EZ Strategy to Beat Foreigners: Step 1. cheese and be constantly aggressive. Step 2. wait for them to mess up in micro, macro, decision-making. Step 3. ez wins. Poor Ryung, he, apparently, didn't know about the strategy. In fairness, this is also how Koreans beat Koreans. | ||
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masakenji
Australia415 Posts
On December 21 2011 07:25 1Eris1 wrote: Maybe for you, but when they start inviting people based solely off reputation I actually watch less of the GSL you mean, you don't like seeing koreans destroying foreign fan favourites on the gsl format? i assume you should since you don't like them being there in the first place. i myself, always root for foreigners in the gsl till probably to the round of 8, then yearn for their crushing defeat afterwards. it warms my heart | ||
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