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s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
December 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#921
When Z goes Mutas, they are very vulnerable before Mutas hit, why don't P punish it. Let Z get a ton of mutas and die slowly? What would you do as P if you know you can punish Z very easily with certain timings?
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
December 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#922
On December 15 2011 19:08 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 19:06 IgnE wrote:
Why are people hating on builds that win? Tell DRG to get better. MC is going to the finals of the Blizzard Cup.


Because people like the generalise MC's play as 2-base timings when most maps basically encourage Protoss to do a 2base timing vZ.


To be fair MC has always been known for timing attacks, it used to be 1-base.
Now it's strong 2-base, which hopefully will give him more versatility and stability.
Nothing wrong with this, but like a few months ago, once people start to figure it out, it starts to be more gimmicky then stable.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 10:10:25
December 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#923
[image loading]

RAWR

[image loading]


i love how they're both kinda pouting
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#924
DRG should cheese!
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
December 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#925
On December 15 2011 19:06 rewired wrote:
When MC constantly does this and keeps winning I always just sigh
2 base timing win
2 base timing win
2 base timing win
huh well damn look at the time that bo5 ended in 45 minutes including caster bs'ing and ads


stop crying....

on DS drg went for roach/infestor and MC hit the timing perfectly(before infestors could come out)
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#926
The game mechanics mean you NEVER want to play Zerg in a macro game, since they always win at macro. You have to pressure or kill them before they get into max-remax-remax god mode.
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
December 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#927
On December 15 2011 19:06 Coolhwip wrote:
The protoss matchups atm are such a joke, blizzard needs som serious reconstruction for hots
PVZ: Do an early timing to punish or kill zerg else mutas are jsut gonna wreck you.
PVT: Get 1-1-1d 90% of the games or have an advantage in the lategame.
So fucking onedimensional matchups atm.


Protoss matchup have been terrible (from a gameplay perspective, not balance) since the beggining of sc2. I really feel like thte core mechanics of this race are flawed.
You can't blame MC for doing whatever makes him win, but from a spectator perspective these games are horrible.
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#928
On December 15 2011 19:07 realstarcrafter wrote:
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On December 15 2011 19:05 akalarry wrote:
how do zergs play so greedily on a map like that. zergs know toss will 2 base all-in, and it always hits at around 10-11 minutes. so ridiculousl getting steamrolled on a map you know a toss will all-in on.


You think 3 base is greedy? Try play against FE protoss with 2 bases.


Going 54 drones is preparing for a 2 base timing, going for 75 drones or something rediculous FAST means you are a greedy duck that has a large opening for attacks.

3 base isn't greedy, saturating that third before making a lot of units is.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#929
On December 15 2011 19:08 ambrosiaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 19:07 Killmouse wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:05 Terranist wrote:
DRG looks so stupid vs protoss.

stop calling it all-in. it's a timing attack learn the difference people.

7gateblink, how do u transist out of it when it fails? u cant! so it an allin~

Bullshit. If you've done enough damage you can take a 3rd and add a robo.


Thats the point of any all-in to do enough dmg to either kill or do soooo much that you can transition out of it.
illumn
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand437 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#930
Whining about attacking is the stupidest thing in the world.

Making units and attacking instead of making workers put you behind. Thanks for the great analysis.
rushian
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#931
On December 15 2011 19:09 mememolly wrote:
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On December 15 2011 19:07 MaestrO_ wrote:
What is it about 2 base that makes people so mad?


boring to watch, anyone can do it

except no. Put almost all other player in that situation and they wouldn't beat DRG
"Love every protoss unit" - oGsMC
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#932
On December 15 2011 19:08 Philipd122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 19:06 Coolhwip wrote:
The protoss matchups atm are such a joke, blizzard needs som serious reconstruction for hots
PVZ: Do an early timing to punish or kill zerg else mutas are jsut gonna wreck you.
PVT: Get 1-1-1d 90% of the games or have an advantage in the lategame.
So fucking onedimensional matchups atm.


PvT is a lot easier nowadays for most leagues compared to the nightmare we experienced a few months ago....

However PvZ is just..words lose me. You either have to do a timing attack before 15 minutes or go stargate or you have a very little chance of winning.


Shows how much PvZ has "evolved" right? Around a year ago Zergs were crying an ocean's worth of tears over Protoss imba.
OlorinTheWise
Profile Joined May 2010
United States173 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#933
On December 15 2011 19:07 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 19:05 Terranist wrote:
DRG looks so stupid vs protoss.

stop calling it all-in. it's a timing attack learn the difference people.

7gateblink, how do u transist out of it when it fails? u cant! so it an allin~

You can expand behind a 7-gate +2 Blink build and if you add in 4-5 Sentries, you can actually crush most Zerg mid-game compositions, including Hydras and Infestors. You just need to have extremely good map awareness and micro to pull it off.
"Evil, be thou my good."
SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#934
On December 15 2011 19:08 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 19:06 IgnE wrote:
Why are people hating on builds that win? Tell DRG to get better. MC is going to the finals of the Blizzard Cup.


Because people like the generalise MC's play as 2-base timings when most maps basically encourage Protoss to do a 2base timing vZ.


People dont realize that as protoss, if you dont do some sort of early timing, and let the zerg build up his muta ball.. well, lets just say the same thing in Game 1 happens.

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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#935
I'm conflicted. I want an MC vs MVP finals. But MC's PvZ is soooo dull, I want DRG to kill him.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#936
oh yes i love this build when P can get away with it, nexus first w/o forge...its just an amazing build imo
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#937
(P)oGsMC v (Z)DongRaeGu

2 - 1
Antiga Shipyard 1.2
(Z)DongRaeGu

Shakuras Plateau 2.0
(P)oGsMC

Dual Sight
(P)oGsMC

Calm Before the Storm

Crossfire SE 1.1

4.00
DRG spawns in the bottom left position, MC in the bottom right.

DRG goes for a hatch first at his front expansion, MC goes for a NExus first in the pocket expansion.

@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
klaxen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States361 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#938
On December 15 2011 19:09 realstarcrafter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 19:08 ambrosiaa wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:07 Killmouse wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:05 Terranist wrote:
DRG looks so stupid vs protoss.

stop calling it all-in. it's a timing attack learn the difference people.

7gateblink, how do u transist out of it when it fails? u cant! so it an allin~

Bullshit. If you've done enough damage you can take a 3rd and add a robo.


Taking out a 3rd is game-ending damage. Can't believe kids these days still defending builds like this.



Want to see way more macro toss games? Nerf mutalisks.
high master protoss - low master zerg
whirlpool
Profile Joined June 2011
2788 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#939
idk, but i saw MC do that build only with +1 atk
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
December 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#940
On December 15 2011 19:07 Tsubbi wrote:
why does everyone act like dual sight hasn't changed this season? pvz is now 9:6 on the new version: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/499_Dual_Sight_1.1


Dual Sight revisions from the previous version didn't change that much. Z v P was 31-15. Still a long way to go in terms of match-ups.
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