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good job making the thread ty :p
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Any reason these aren't in the calendar? Would be fun to see one of the foreigners living in Korea participating. If you could get Stephano to give another show before he heads for Europe, it would be appreciated. Thanks, khaldor (and whoever else is involved in arranging there tournaments)!
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Sorry for the missing info I don't know the lineup, I'll be updating as they play
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Heh, got the stream on in the background while I do some technical diagrams. Cracked up hearing "Emoverlords" xD
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thx for the thread!
does anybody know why isn't this on the Live Section?
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월요일(Monday)
김정훈 oGsTOP(T) vs 김광섭 NSH_Flower(Z)
이형섭 FXOChoya(P) vs 채도준 MVPNoblesse(T)
황강호 IMLosirA(Z) vs 장현우 CreatorPRIME(P)
박준성 ZeNEX_TREME(P) vs 최지성 StarTale_Bomber(T)
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Hoping for Losira vs Bomber
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On December 12 2011 22:45 Khaldor wrote:
월요일(Monday)
김정훈 oGsTOP(T) vs 김광섭 NSH_Flower(Z)
이형섭 FXOChoya(P) vs 채도준 MVPNoblesse(T)
황강호 IMLosirA(Z) vs 장현우 CreatorPRIME(P)
박준성 ZeNEX_TREME(P) vs 최지성 StarTale_Bomber(T)
Thanks, updated the OP
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On December 12 2011 22:45 Khaldor wrote:
월요일(Monday)
김정훈 oGsTOP(T) vs 김광섭 NSH_Flower(Z)
이형섭 FXOChoya(P) vs 채도준 MVPNoblesse(T)
황강호 IMLosirA(Z) vs 장현우 CreatorPRIME(P)
박준성 ZeNEX_TREME(P) vs 최지성 StarTale_Bomber(T)
THX for the Thread
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You might want to change the date! OP date is wrong
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Proxy Speed Prism?
Actually it is proxy Colossus. oO
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Khaldor love your dedication, but casting this much could burn you out man!
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some big names playing today, excited
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King Choya son, don't mess.
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Wow, that build dominated Noblesse even with the huge supply block.
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On December 12 2011 23:13 Ysellian wrote:
Khaldor love your dedication, but casting this much could burn you out man!
He's sleeping in between casts, so it's ok.
PS: Wild cocaster appears - yeeaaaah!
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Imba tactics, whats next proxy Mothership =).
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oGsTOP(T) vs NSH_Flower(Z)
FXOChoya(P) vs MVPNoblesse(T)
IMLosirA(Z) vs CreatorPRIME(P)
ZeNEX_TREME(P) vs StarTale_Bomber(T)
in my opinion only choyavs Nobleese could go eitheir way!!!
EDIT: Just noticed this has already started lol... why is it not on the right hand side!!!!
Anyway got one game right...lol
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I believe the co-caster is Australian player Shuffle.
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Sound not working? Or is it just me?
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haha khaldor who you talkin to?
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Yea, can't hear Khaldor at all.
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ur mic is muted khaldor, we cant ear you !
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Your mic is muted khlador
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We need someone to put this on the calendar. I guess Virgil did it before ?
I would do it if I had a source other than this thread for the lineups.
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On December 13 2011 00:17 MrCon wrote:
We need someone to put this on the calendar. I guess Virgil did it before ?
I would do it if I had a source other than this thread for the lineups.
Khaldor said he tried submitting the event but no one's approved it yet. Something like that at least.
lol @ dancing marines.
Bomber struggles so much in TvP lately, but I hope he can win here =)
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On December 12 2011 23:17 qqK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 23:13 Ysellian wrote:
Khaldor love your dedication, but casting this much could burn you out man! He's sleeping in between casts, so it's ok. PS: Wild cocaster appears - yeeaaaah!
Wouldn't worry anyway... Khaldor did some crazy long solo casts back in the days and he did just fine.
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On December 13 2011 00:35 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 23:17 qqK wrote:On December 12 2011 23:13 Ysellian wrote:
Khaldor love your dedication, but casting this much could burn you out man! He's sleeping in between casts, so it's ok. PS: Wild cocaster appears - yeeaaaah! Wouldn't worry anyway... Khaldor did some crazy long solo casts back in the days and he did just fine.
Yeah - Khaldor, why no A Capella Contest 2011?
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Yay Bomber, Losira vs Bomber in the semis!
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Why would you retreat your whole army against ghosts >< 1A syndrome here, just send stalklots and kill them ?
And that no robo unitplay not strong enough imo.
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Time for King Choya to stamp out TOP
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On December 13 2011 00:45 Asha` wrote:
Time for King Choya to stamp out TOP
I know what TOP means now, Totally Obliterated by Protoss.
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Wow, TOP scout and shoot was crazy perfect here, his marauders fired without even stopping, a very rare sight.
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LOL at khaldor cursing at the storm... Choya is looking pretty solid in these KSL dailies tho!
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LOL love Khaldor's casting "AND THE HIGH TEMPLAR"...*huh* "well wtf was he trying to do right there?"
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King Choya the Terran crusher.
manner nexus lol
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choya's pvt is awesome. i think living with Oz must help with that though 
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On December 13 2011 01:00 ABear wrote:choya's pvt is awesome. i think living with Oz must help with that though
no, Oz gets to have good PvT because he's coached by Choya *nods*
(king choya has a winning record against MVP!)
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Lol Khaldor completely missed the dropped, and the blink onto it.
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Sigh, Choya getting all in'd ¬__¬
Dirty Terrans unable to take on the king without resorting to such low brow nonsense.
Well, presuming players can choose the maps Choya should be able to choose Calm? In which case he'll just need to defend against a marine/hellion drop and he'll be set.
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King choya not at the top of his game today.
:D
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Wasn't a bad time to drop down an auto turret there. It definitely tanked a bit against the zealots.
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Your stream is live for me Khaldor
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My own3d is working, stream is still up. Don't worry Khaldor!
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onw3d working for me Khaldor
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I love it how he said that he needed to get a drink but in the game chat you can read that he said he needed to go to the toilet. Wierd how you dont just say that you need to go to the toilet.
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haha i knew top would cheese cuz he did this to sage yesterday(sage won 4:2 tho) :p bad luck for choya going nex first
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TOP....(facepalm) He's like aLive, whenever he tried these scv pulls or proxy shenanigans it loses him a match he could have won with superior macro lol
edit: nvm choya got another expo...this could go either way now..choya y u no just make units >.>
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On December 13 2011 01:25 Badfatpanda wrote:
TOP....(facepalm) He's like aLive, whenever he tried these scv pulls or proxy shenanigans it loses him a match he could have won with superior macro lol
TOP doesn't win macro TvP's anymore, only all ins =p
ack Choya, losing 3 stalkers while microing back at home
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is Choya on 2 gate 3 nexus 2 forge? xD
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Choya losing 3 stalkers because he's microing to save ONE stalker at another place xD
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Choya doesn't need Stalkers.
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strange how they both double expanded and turned back into a normal game but with less everything lol
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this game is ridiculous...
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6 depots at a time from TOP ^^^^
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what did I just watch? wow
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King Choya the indestructible.
You have to all in him to have any chance at taking him down.
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WTF I stopped watching when choya had like 3 nexus and a good supply lead, I come back 5-10min later and they are trying to do a macro game?
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Can someone summarize the ZvP games?(Creator vs Losira)
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Sweet, a TvZ. =)
Against LosirA no less.
Gogo Bomber!
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On December 13 2011 01:25 Badfatpanda wrote:
TOP....(facepalm) He's like aLive, whenever he tried these scv pulls or proxy shenanigans it loses him a match he could have won with superior macro lol
edit: nvm choya got another expo...this could go either way now..choya y u no just make units >.>
superior macro doesn't win you TvP lategame , great micro and decision making is ALOT more important these days combined with decent macro. And TOP was never know for those 2 things.
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2am Khaldor? man up!
5 mates over here watching and its 4am, don't get tired on us!
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On December 13 2011 01:40 dmnum wrote:
Can someone summarize the ZvP games?(Creator vs Losira)
Dual Sight = Losira plays an odd build, perhaps meant to be a direct counter to a 2 base all in that never comes. Creator rolls over him with a lategame army vs a roach heavy zerg composition.
Daybreak = Intense game as Creators 2 base blink build clashes with Losira's ling/infestor play. Losira has a ton of spines but is unable to hold his third. He does however push Creator back and double expands while Creator takes his third. Losira techs quickly to Hive and despite Creator repeatedly killing expos he's able to amass a big broodlord/infestor force that Creator can't deal with
Tal'Darim = Creator goes FFE and Losira kills him with a succesful baneling bust.
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On December 13 2011 01:45 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:40 dmnum wrote:
Can someone summarize the ZvP games?(Creator vs Losira) Dual Sight = Losira plays an odd build, perhaps meant to be a direct counter to a 2 base all in that never comes. Creator rolls over him with a lategame army vs a roach heavy zerg composition. Daybreak = Intense game as Creators 2 base blink build clashes with Losira's ling/infestor play. Losira has a ton of spines but is unable to hold his third. He does however push Creator back and double expands while Creator takes his third. Losira techs quickly to Hive and despite Creator repeatedly killing expos he's able to amass a big broodlord/infestor force that Creator can't deal with Tal'Darim = Creator goes FFE and Losira kills him with a succesful baneling bust.
Thanks a bunch, will watch game 2 later.
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Bomber losing so many units just with horrible unit positioning, spreading out too much.
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Lmao, Losira just killed like 50 marines with fungals.
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The number of times Bomber misses scouting Hive tech timings makes me so sad
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Guys have you noticed the creep spread?
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On December 13 2011 01:57 theBALLS wrote:
Guys have you noticed the creep spread?
It's pretty hard not to, it takes up 90% of the centre of map, lol.
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Wayyyy too passive from Bomber there.
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This is so good, why does this thread only have 5 pages. Khaldor doing great to 
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And that is why you dont stay passive for 15 minutes against zerg
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awesome casting khaldor! I love you ... no homo!
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I wish zerglings were modified , hit harder/more hp or something like that but only one at a time and the same supply as a marine, every fight the z army looks so much bigger and able to surround/attack from multiple angles despite it being 200 vs 200, so annoying.
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Great casting :D
DAT FUNGAL!
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I love the way Khaldor says Bomber, makes me smile.
Awesome casting too, especially for 2am.
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What was Bomber doing exactly? No fourth, no Ghosts, no wall on the third, wandering unsieged on creep, moving Marines in giant balls to be fungaled to death...
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Bomber should just 2 rax losira lol
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On December 13 2011 02:00 R!! wrote:
I wish zerglings were modified , hit harder/more hp or something like that but only one at a time and the same supply as a marine, every fight the z army looks so much bigger and able to surround/attack from multiple angles despite it being 200 vs 200, so annoying.
They also have 20 less health (assuming combat shields), do less damage and can't stim.
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The weird thing about that game was that, presuming Losira is the Hydra smurf as most people seem to think, they've played a ton on ladder recently and Bomber plays so much better than that against basically the exact same thing from Losira.
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sling runby in bombers nat denied on minimap, I know it's late tho so its OK
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Haha oh god, I can't get over how Khaldor pronounces 'Bomb'-'ber' haha.
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Losira playing so well right now. He should step up on his z v p now son.
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Upgraded bunkers look pretty boss
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the map looks so weird by now^^
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Bombers TvZ used to be better than that oO
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bomber's heart is being ripped out losira style
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Wow, bomber's playing very sloppy
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didnt know that one of teh 12 dwarves played sc2!
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GAAAAAAH i have to leave for finals this game is so fucking good >.> ahksjldnabf alas I'll have to wait for vods
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On December 13 2011 02:23 ramon wrote:
bomber's heart is being ripped out losira style
Is he going to re-dye his hair with the blood? =p
Losira showing how to handle a Terran army with ghost support pretty nicely so far.
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Omg this game is awesome!
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wow... bomber's army control is pretty lacking.
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I think Khaldor just orgasm'd when those fungals landed at losira's fifth.
They were nice fungals.
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Where is the bomber that can beat DRG TT
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Getting your whole army caught in two Fungals like that? Really Bomber? :x
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aaaaaaaaaarg stop that ultra crap Losira...
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bomber's tvz is sloppy as hell.
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That misread of the situation might cost losira the game
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On December 13 2011 02:24 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:23 ramon wrote:
bomber's heart is being ripped out losira style Is he going to re-dye his hair with the blood? =p Losira showing how to handle a Terran army with ghost support pretty nicely so far.
It's actually pretty obvious, just because some zergs are dumb and keep bulding blords/ultras/infestors that doesn't mean others haven't figured out, cjentushydra simply changed back to bling/sling and crushed mass ghosts against bomber twice yesterday, wasn't hard.
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Sooo fucking epic... How is this only six pages?
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On December 13 2011 02:26 sirreginold wrote:
bomber's tvz is sloppy as hell.
I don't think so, its unreal to force every terran to get CTS if they want to win in a matchup, bomber is playing pretty well.
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bad control from bomber ;/
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Mediocre play but it's a fkn epic game, lol.
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how did losira throw away that 70 supply advantage he had at one time?
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Looks like bomber is gonna win this...
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Freaking epic game so far lol. T v Z played like a TvT
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On December 13 2011 02:31 Luk_e wrote:
how did losira throw away that 70 supply advantage he had at one time?
He didn't really, he was just passive for a while and Bomber was able to remax fast since he was on 4 bases.
Made some questionable decisions on subsequent remaxes though.
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Does Khaldor still hate this map?
I sure fucking hope not, this map has never produced a bad game.
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Losira threw this game away, so many bad pushes, just loosing so many units for little gain :-(
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Pretty epic game
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Bomber would win a gsl if he played zerg, only player I watch that constantly has more supply and remaxes so fast against zerg.
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What a fantastic map Daybreak is. You rule, WinparkPrime.
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MY MONEY
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This game is getting ridiculous.
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Hoyl shit, don't tell me this is going to end in a draw.
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LOL game.
Losira can have ended the game long time ago.
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bomber will win for sure, he's got money banked and double the army supply
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Hey, Terran understood they need Ravens !
56min into the game :D
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I want bomber to win to see what kind of bm he will do at the end of the game
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Why isn't Losira maxing out with zerglings?
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On December 13 2011 02:38 Noocta wrote:
Hey, Terran understood they need Ravens !
56min into the game :D
Oh no they dont. He's just kinda making them because yes xD
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Again, how the fuck is this thread less than 10 pages? Fuuuuuuck.
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exactly like khaldor says it, why no zerglings?
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rofl 61 drones long distance mining gas
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It seems like he's completely forgotten about injects.
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God this game has been so epic, but now it is getting boring...
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THIS IS MADNESS!!!! No... THIS IS KSL :D
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On December 13 2011 02:38 Telcontar wrote:
Why isn't Losira maxing out with zerglings?
I've wondered about that as well. Both players had a lot of resources at some point, but the production bar was empty. At least Bomber is spending his now.
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I guess Losira wants to somehow get gas and infestors, but given that everything is mined out it's really really wierd :O
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why bomber doesnt drop some marine in the main ?
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wtf is losira doing, at least return the gas lol
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I think he's having as massive mindblock.
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On December 13 2011 02:40 BansheeDK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:38 Telcontar wrote:
Why isn't Losira maxing out with zerglings? I've wondered about that as well. Both players had a lot of resources at some point, but the production bar was empty. At least Bomber is spending his now.
because it doesn't make sense to build zerglings against 3/3 marines. Though I agree with Khaldor, it also doesnt make a lot of sense to not build them. I guess he just doesn't want to far down on money so he could at least win a baserace by building hatches somewhere.
Also 1800:50=36 supply, so losing the drones would be wrong right now, as he is under 150supply.
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On December 13 2011 02:24 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:23 ramon wrote:
bomber's heart is being ripped out losira style Is he going to re-dye his hair with the blood? =p Losira showing how to handle a Terran army with ghost support pretty nicely so far.
good catch 
unfortunately it doesn't look like he is gonna get the dye here... maybe in his up&down group
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Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go.
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On December 13 2011 02:42 vOkk wrote:
why bomber doesnt drop some marine in the main ?
Why would he do that? Losira doesn't look like he's gonna produce anything, and there is no mining to interrupt. He is better off keeping his army together.
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PDD for thez spore crawler ! :O
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That game was pretty cool
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That was a long ass game, kinda sloppy but a hell of a ride.
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Holy mackanaw that was one hell of a game.
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I think Bomber just wanted to pass 1 hour game time...
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That "decision-making" was really weird.
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That was a cool game! But why didn't Losira return the gas he had with the drones before he went and died with them?! Guess he was flustered
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On December 13 2011 02:43 Telcontar wrote:
Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go.
Are you just gonna throw some vague observation in and not back it up with an argument?
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I know Bomber was playing pretty bad, his decision making, controllin, positioning are slipping but damn the macro is still second to none
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Bomber was really smart by making ravens. Since they make turrets which only cost energy he can keep trading army for energy. Unfortunately losira couldn't do the same with his infestors since they would get sniped.
Also, wtf naruto.
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On December 13 2011 02:43 Telcontar wrote:
Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go.
Actually it's pretty nice to se these situation in a non mirror match up, it mean the match up is developped enough to allow any moment in a TvZ to be balanced.
If two players from the same level keep not succed in killing each other until the map is mined out, it's better than having a race kill the other after a certain point like it used to be.
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On December 13 2011 02:45 Zorgaz wrote:That was a cool game! But why didn't Losira return the gas he had with the drones before he went and died with them?! Guess he was flustered
He was dead before he threw 40 supply of zerglings in the last runby.
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On December 13 2011 02:43 Telcontar wrote:
Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go.
These are two of the best progamers right now, please be respectful when you talk about them, and don't judge based on one game. Thanks alot.
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On December 13 2011 02:45 R!! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:43 Telcontar wrote:
Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go. Are you just gonna throw some vague observation in and not back it up with an argument?
his argument is implied: SC2 bad, broodwar good.
I guess he just forgot about the other implication: watching this game even though he thinks it was bad makes him what? dumb?
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On December 13 2011 02:45 R!! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:43 Telcontar wrote:
Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go. Are you just gonna throw some vague observation in and not back it up with an argument?
Did you not watch the game yourself? Bomber endlessly refusing to split his army and getting fungal'd in the face. In fact both players losing units sloppily all over the place. That decision by losira to take out bomber's top left when it was being mined out and lose all of his army.... and many other mistakes here and there. The game was very entertaining but pretty bad in terms of quality of play.
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I guess I hit a nerve. If you're satisfied that what you saw was the creme de la creme of TvZ, fine. I however see it differently and am not afraid to say it. Let's agree to disagree.
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On December 13 2011 02:49 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:45 R!! wrote:On December 13 2011 02:43 Telcontar wrote:
Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go. Are you just gonna throw some vague observation in and not back it up with an argument? Did you not watch the game yourself? Bomber endlessly refusing to split his army and getting fungal'd in the face. In fact both players losing units sloppily all over the place. That decision by losira to take out bomber's top left when it was being mined out and lose all of his army.... and many other mistakes here and there. The game was very entertaining but pretty bad in terms of quality of play.
Consider, that theyre maybe not playing with 100 %, considering how much money is on the table
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On December 13 2011 02:52 GoSuChicken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:49 Telcontar wrote:On December 13 2011 02:45 R!! wrote:On December 13 2011 02:43 Telcontar wrote:
Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go. Are you just gonna throw some vague observation in and not back it up with an argument? Did you not watch the game yourself? Bomber endlessly refusing to split his army and getting fungal'd in the face. In fact both players losing units sloppily all over the place. That decision by losira to take out bomber's top left when it was being mined out and lose all of his army.... and many other mistakes here and there. The game was very entertaining but pretty bad in terms of quality of play. Consider, that theyre maybe not playing with 100 %, considering how much money is on the table
no offense, but imo thats complete BS. Do you really think pro gamers can conciously decide to not play at their very best?
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that baneling mine........... wonderful bait.
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wow, those clumped banelings..........
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Wow beautiful baneling burrow there by losira
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On December 13 2011 02:56 Sackings wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 02:52 GoSuChicken wrote:On December 13 2011 02:49 Telcontar wrote:On December 13 2011 02:45 R!! wrote:On December 13 2011 02:43 Telcontar wrote:
Watching this game just reminds me how far these 'progamers' have yet to go. Are you just gonna throw some vague observation in and not back it up with an argument? Did you not watch the game yourself? Bomber endlessly refusing to split his army and getting fungal'd in the face. In fact both players losing units sloppily all over the place. That decision by losira to take out bomber's top left when it was being mined out and lose all of his army.... and many other mistakes here and there. The game was very entertaining but pretty bad in terms of quality of play. Consider, that theyre maybe not playing with 100 %, considering how much money is on the table no offense, but imo thats complete BS. Do you really think pro gamers can conciously decide to not play at their very best?
Not consciously, but I don't think they are trying their hardest when playing ladder or a tournament with far less prestige than for example the GSL. In the GSL players usually practice specific strategies for each map, that they have prepared beforehand. This also raises the level of play.
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How did bomber miss those banelings burrow mid battle 0_0
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Bomber when are you going to make a raven? -.-
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On December 13 2011 03:00 milesfacade wrote:
How did bomber miss those banelings burrow mid battle 0_0
It's not exactly easy to spot banelings burrowing amidst a sea of green death as you desperately try to micro away from them =p
Losira's ZvT is definitely much improved.
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On December 13 2011 02:50 Telcontar wrote:
I guess I hit a nerve. If you're satisfied that what you saw was the creme de la creme of TvZ, fine. I however see it differently and am not afraid to say it. Let's agree to disagree.
It was more the apostrophe's on the word pro-gamer that was offensive. It's one thing to criticize players but that's just disrespectful.
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On December 13 2011 03:01 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:00 milesfacade wrote:
How did bomber miss those banelings burrow mid battle 0_0 It's not exactly easy to spot banelings burrowing amidst a sea of green death as you desperately try to micro away from them =p Losira's ZvT is definitely much improved.
Yeah I'm really impressed, his muta ling bane is reminding me of DRG. Not as good but it's on the right path.
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Really clever play from losira. I really liked the baneling burrow mid battle, It's so nice to see a zerg finally do that.
I have to admit though that every time I hear Khaldor pronounce the silent B in bomber it makes my brain hurt.
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On December 13 2011 03:05 SolidZeal wrote:
Really clever play from losira. I really liked the baneling burrow mid battle, It's so nice to see a zerg finally do that.
It's straight out of the Leenock playbook.
Losira just looked on another level to Bomber this series; even though he lost the second game it still felt like he was pretty much the better player.
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On December 13 2011 03:01 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:00 milesfacade wrote:
How did bomber miss those banelings burrow mid battle 0_0 It's not exactly easy to spot banelings burrowing amidst a sea of green death as you desperately try to micro away from them =p Losira's ZvT is definitely much improved.
The Korean version doesn't have the sea of green! :D
It was just that as far as it sounds burrowed banelings destroyed him in game 2 as well? Jjackji scans pretty much everywhere and this just seems to highlight yet another flaw in Bomber's tvz as far as I'm concerned.
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Oh god, losira finally found something else to do other than macro and 1a (using his own words), I am praying that other zergs don't start doing the same, terran already has to achieve CTS to micro vs Z and now you have to worry about burrowed banelings in the middle of a fight.
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You always had to worry about burrowed banelings.
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On December 13 2011 03:12 StarStruck wrote:
You always had to worry about burrowed banelings.
Nah, only leenock used them like this, period, I don't think I've seen stephano use them more than twice in 500 games.
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On December 13 2011 03:13 R!! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:12 StarStruck wrote:
You always had to worry about burrowed banelings. Nah, only leenock used them like this, period, I don't think I've seen stephano use them more than twice in 500 games.
He doesn't use banelings xD. Well, not anymore anyway. I'm pretty sure when he played muta ling bling in go4sc2 he used to burrow banelings mid-battle, in fact he was the first player I saw who did it.
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That's the thing. Good players do it man. All about adapting.
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ZvP god rolling over Choya
Edit: WRROOOOONG! :D
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On December 13 2011 03:15 Big J wrote:ZvP god rolling over Choya
Never doubt King Choya
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wtf how did choya win that? + 3 attack colossus timing is so powerful
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Damn, that +3/thermal lance/2 collosus timing HURT § His units just killed lings/roaches SO FUCKING FAST § He barely lost anything :o
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Such a poor game by Losira - I don't really know what he was thinking...
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On December 13 2011 03:19 poorcloud wrote:
wtf how did choya win that? + 3 attack colossus timing is so powerful
Losira had only shitty units that would have lost to pure stalker/sentry aswell :p
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On December 13 2011 03:19 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:19 poorcloud wrote:
wtf how did choya win that? + 3 attack colossus timing is so powerful Losira had only shitty units that would have lost to pure stalker/sentry aswell :p
I think he was trying to do a muta switch, hence his low tech. Choya hit a picture-perfect timing :O
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Losira played as if it was a ZVT, colossus+sentry can't get caught of guard as easily as terran, especially since banelings can't be used for melting the entire army.
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On December 13 2011 03:22 R!! wrote:
Losira played as if it was a ZVT, colossus+sentry can't get caught of guard as easily as terran, especially since banelings can't be used for melting the entire army.
Actually he played the IM trademark ZvP style. Vs FFE you go fast 3rd get roach warren at about 7 minutes, defend whatever pressure the protoss is doing, drone up and go mutas.
Choya just hit a perfect timing.
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I'm a bit spoilt - so pretty painful having to see these games lol
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On December 13 2011 03:29 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:22 R!! wrote:
Losira played as if it was a ZVT, colossus+sentry can't get caught of guard as easily as terran, especially since banelings can't be used for melting the entire army. Actually he played the IM trademark ZvP style. Vs FFE you go fast 3rd get roach warren at about 7 minutes, defend whatever pressure the protoss is doing, drone up and go mutas.
Except for no roaches and mass ling.
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On December 13 2011 03:30 R!! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:29 dmnum wrote:On December 13 2011 03:22 R!! wrote:
Losira played as if it was a ZVT, colossus+sentry can't get caught of guard as easily as terran, especially since banelings can't be used for melting the entire army. Actually he played the IM trademark ZvP style. Vs FFE you go fast 3rd get roach warren at about 7 minutes, defend whatever pressure the protoss is doing, drone up and go mutas. Except for no roaches and mass ling.
He got roaches when choya did the first pressure, after you get your spire you really can't aford to get a lot of roaches since less than 10 mutas are completely useless vs protoss.
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On December 13 2011 03:31 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:30 R!! wrote:On December 13 2011 03:29 dmnum wrote:On December 13 2011 03:22 R!! wrote:
Losira played as if it was a ZVT, colossus+sentry can't get caught of guard as easily as terran, especially since banelings can't be used for melting the entire army. Actually he played the IM trademark ZvP style. Vs FFE you go fast 3rd get roach warren at about 7 minutes, defend whatever pressure the protoss is doing, drone up and go mutas. Except for no roaches and mass ling. He got roaches when choya did the first pressure, after you get your spire you really can't aford to get a lot of roaches since less than 10 mutas are completely useless vs protoss.
He went for +1 melee, baneling nest and ventral sacks, I don't see how roaches could ever be the back bone of his army.
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Oooooooooh 3 hatch before gas, exciting :D
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On December 13 2011 03:34 R!! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:31 dmnum wrote:On December 13 2011 03:30 R!! wrote:On December 13 2011 03:29 dmnum wrote:On December 13 2011 03:22 R!! wrote:
Losira played as if it was a ZVT, colossus+sentry can't get caught of guard as easily as terran, especially since banelings can't be used for melting the entire army. Actually he played the IM trademark ZvP style. Vs FFE you go fast 3rd get roach warren at about 7 minutes, defend whatever pressure the protoss is doing, drone up and go mutas. Except for no roaches and mass ling. He got roaches when choya did the first pressure, after you get your spire you really can't aford to get a lot of roaches since less than 10 mutas are completely useless vs protoss. He went for +1 melee, baneling nest and ventral sacks, I don't see how roaches could ever be the back bone of his army.
I missed the baneling nest and the ventral sacks. I stand corrected.
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Sentry drop incoming, eeee!
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Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
Lol choya
Where did king choya come from? Did khlador say it during a cast?
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On December 13 2011 03:40 pPingu wrote:
Lol choya
Where did king choya come from? Did khlador say it during a cast?
I'm going to take my credit for that =p
Choya is awesome, he does so many different strategies, and even when it goes wrong it's fun =)
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On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well.
i havn't seen anything but abuse in game 3:S dont like it.
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On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well.
I think it looked pretty sloppy, the first zerglings managed to go through and then the second batch did too because he missed the forcefield.
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On December 13 2011 03:41 frequency wrote:
13 minute hive? O-o
He needs to try and gamble on getting infestor BL, hes dead otherwise. Choya should really get mothership with this much gas banked
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That was a poor attack by Choya - he's still in the lead though
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On December 13 2011 03:41 R!! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well. I think it looked pretty sloppy, the first zerglings managed to go through and then the second batch did too because he missed the forcefield.
Of course it's sloppy. He's a coach, not a dedicated player, so his execution is going to be off. But the old Choya would have never bothered to get a 3rd base, let alone set himself up for a fourth. And even though his micro is iffy and his macro went to shit at one point, his decision-making is worlds better than it was when he was in the GSL.
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
King Choya son, claiming his crown.
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Well losira your ZvT has improved but your ZvP has fallen lol
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Losing that 3rd mattered too much. Choya macro was pretty bad the whole game but his strategy and decision making was really good.
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Maybe the players are tired, but I saw a massive supply block at 118 supply for Choya lol
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On December 13 2011 03:45 dmnum wrote:
Well losira your ZvT has improved but your ZvP has fallen lol
Yeah what happened losing to choya and brown xD
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On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well.
Choya apparently plays at a higher level then when he was in the GSL. That was amazing.
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Great games today. Well played by Choya
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how come choya is so good, is strategies are off the hook, the only problem is macro, but he is a coach so that's fine with me
LOVE CHOYA
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Losira's ZvP play is pretty outdated, relying on ling runbys which was shutdown easily. Imagine if he didn't have to waste lings on failed attacks and can use them to defend properly.
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mechanics come naturally.
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On December 13 2011 03:46 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well. Choya apparently plays at a higher level then when he was in the GSL. That was amazing.
Actually, I don't think he plays at a higher level. It's just that the players tonite are not really top-class players. I would've put Top and Bomber in the top-class category but they're in a slump atm.
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On December 13 2011 03:47 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well. Choya apparently plays at a higher level then when he was in the GSL. That was amazing. Actually, I don't think he plays at a higher level. It's just that the players tonite are not really top-class players. I would've put Top and Bomber in the top-class category but they're in a slump atm.
I know that choya has really big nerve issues and he was talking to himslef during his games in GSL to reassure himslef, so he could be playing much better at home too
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On December 13 2011 03:47 Azzur wrote:
Losira's ZvP play is pretty outdated, relying on ling runbys which was shutdown easily. Imagine if he didn't have to waste lings on failed attacks and can use them to defend properly.
Not outdated as much as being bad on that particular map. Ling runbys could have been an effective maneuver if he had defended the war prism harass at the back natural and pulled it out to the late game, where Choya's 4th and 5th would be vulnerable.
On December 13 2011 03:47 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well. Choya apparently plays at a higher level then when he was in the GSL. That was amazing. Actually, I don't think he plays at a higher level. It's just that the players tonite are not really top-class players. I would've put Top and Bomber in the top-class category but they're in a slump atm.
TOP's not in a slump. His TvP's just being exposed for what it is - incredibly mediocre for a Korean Terran. If he doesn't fix his control problems he will fall out of the GSL entirely.
Bomber's never been the best at TvZ either.
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On December 13 2011 03:51 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:47 Azzur wrote:On December 13 2011 03:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well. Choya apparently plays at a higher level then when he was in the GSL. That was amazing. Actually, I don't think he plays at a higher level. It's just that the players tonite are not really top-class players. I would've put Top and Bomber in the top-class category but they're in a slump atm. I know that choya has really big nerve issues and he was talking to himslef during his games in GSL to reassure himslef, so he could be playing much better at home too
Well, nerve issues or not, I still didn't see a great game from Choya (more like a poor game from Losira):
- Set1 was a complete debacle by Losira, difficult to understand why Losira lost. Maybe he got over-confident?
- Set2 was not a good game at all.
- Set3 featured many mistakes. The WP drop did alot of damage because Losira was too fond of ling runbys. Also, Choya had a failed FF at the ramp. Massive supply block at 118. I didn't think it was a good game at all.
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Such an awesome music on the korean stream i like it!
Would be awesome to see track list)
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On December 13 2011 03:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:47 Azzur wrote:
Losira's ZvP play is pretty outdated, relying on ling runbys which was shutdown easily. Imagine if he didn't have to waste lings on failed attacks and can use them to defend properly. Not outdated as much as being bad on that particular map. Ling runbys could have been an effective maneuver if he had defended the war prism harass at the back natural and pulled it out to the late game, where Choya's 4th and 5th would be vulnerable. Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:47 Azzur wrote:On December 13 2011 03:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well. Choya apparently plays at a higher level then when he was in the GSL. That was amazing. Actually, I don't think he plays at a higher level. It's just that the players tonite are not really top-class players. I would've put Top and Bomber in the top-class category but they're in a slump atm. TOP's not in a slump. His TvP's just being exposed for what it is - incredibly mediocre for a Korean Terran. If he doesn't fix his control problems he will fall out of the GSL entirely. Bomber's never been the best at TvZ either.
Actually, I agree with you. If you look at set1, Losira had many failed ling attacks as well. He didn't need to be overly aggressive in the early game, and can use them with great effect in the lategame, when lings because very expandable.
A bit harsh on TOP but alot of truth in it - he had good macro but I never did see him as a great player.
I also agree on Bomber being relatively weak at TvZ but he's also definitely in a slump - which would magnify his weaknesses even more.
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How did Choya manage to win? I'm stunned since I thought he was in a more of a coaching position than player?
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He's a coach and a player. He basically controls the team as far as recruiting/who is in the house etc, and managerial stuff like going with players to matches, Code A quals etc etc. When he's not doing that, he's practising.
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On December 13 2011 04:01 eYeball wrote:
How did Choya manage to win? I'm stunned since I thought he was in a more of a coaching position than player?
I only saw last 2 games, in game 3 he did a WP sentry drop which killed drones and the hatch(Losira relying only on zerglings and runbyes -_-) while having taken his third. Was pretty much over from there as he could take 5 bases without issues while teching heavy
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On December 13 2011 03:58 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 13 2011 03:47 Azzur wrote:
Losira's ZvP play is pretty outdated, relying on ling runbys which was shutdown easily. Imagine if he didn't have to waste lings on failed attacks and can use them to defend properly. Not outdated as much as being bad on that particular map. Ling runbys could have been an effective maneuver if he had defended the war prism harass at the back natural and pulled it out to the late game, where Choya's 4th and 5th would be vulnerable. On December 13 2011 03:47 Azzur wrote:On December 13 2011 03:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On December 13 2011 03:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Choya? Can't believe he's doing so well. Choya apparently plays at a higher level then when he was in the GSL. That was amazing. Actually, I don't think he plays at a higher level. It's just that the players tonite are not really top-class players. I would've put Top and Bomber in the top-class category but they're in a slump atm. TOP's not in a slump. His TvP's just being exposed for what it is - incredibly mediocre for a Korean Terran. If he doesn't fix his control problems he will fall out of the GSL entirely. Bomber's never been the best at TvZ either. Actually, I agree with you. If you look at set1, Losira had many failed ling attacks as well. He didn't need to be overly aggressive in the early game, and can use them with great effect in the lategame, when lings because very expandable. A bit harsh on TOP but alot of truth in it - he had good macro but I never did see him as a great player. I also agree on Bomber being relatively weak at TvZ but he's also definitely in a slump - which would magnify his weaknesses even more.
I've noticed several micro mistakes in Losira's GSL matches as well, and I can't help but wonder if he's been getting lazy in that department.
You can see it in all of TOP's games, but his TvP matches and two Ro4 series against Polt make it especially noticeable. TvP is the matchup where lack of army micro gets most heavily punished.
True. It will take him a while to get back in form.
I know Choya's games don't seem especially good when you're expecting him to play like the very top Koreans, but compared to what he used to do I'd pick new Choya over old Choya any day. Old Choya had great build orders and good execution, but he was like a child when it came to making in-game decisions.
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wow choya
didnt expect that
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Choya played well but Losira played really below the standard i would expect from him. His ZvT seems to be on the rise and his ZvP seems to have fallen.
Weird huh, we need a zerg monster who is top in all 3 matchups. Nestea comes close but we have to see his ZvT tomorrow
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Holy crap nice one Choya, FXO doing a great job.
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Choya played well, sick comeback too but I think LosirA shoulda won.. tt
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