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iSometric
2221 Posts
On December 02 2011 12:38 zev318 wrote: question is, if this guy was any good at macro games, would he really all in 5 games in a row? the answer is no. What a stupid suggestion/ shallow insight. He does what he needs to win. Even if he is good at macro, he sees a quick win, anyone will do it. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
 , and an ace match involving slayers, we need more of these. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:59 Ruscour wrote: GET iG IN! THE SICKEST CHINESE TEAM. Can't believe there's so many people who don't know who TyLoo is :S seriously? Uhen can beat anyone on that team imo called it! missed the games but Uhen is awesome | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 02 2011 13:52 Ruscour wrote: called it! missed the games but Uhen is awesome iG or PanDa, IMO. PanDa might have a bit of an edge since they have Lyn. | ||
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote: TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!" Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!" If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa. Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance. Nope. If Stephano did it I'd call him a cheeser too. Cheese is cheese no matter which way you slice it. Edit: At the end of the day Uhen did what he had to do to try to win the series for his team. I can respect that; but it doesn't mean I have to be a fan of his play. | ||
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Kubricks
284 Posts
Here's the thing about Leenock: we have lots of information and insight into his abilities as a macro player. Despite the fact that he aimed for a much more aggressive, short-term style against Naniwa to take the win at Providence, we also have plenty of evidence displaying his indomitable long-term play. What's clear with Leenock isn't quite the case with Uhen. I think the primary reason for this is that many folks simply don't have much insight into the Chinese SC2 scene outside of its minimal exposure at Blizzcon, GSL, and IEM Guangzhou. So seeing as this, for many, is the first time Uhen's skills have been displayed, it's pretty easy to make the judgment that he's only a Roach/Ling all-in'er. It's easy to get swept up in with the details in a series that was just played but give it some time. I'm sure we'll see him again. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
WC 3 = all micro and strategy. They're great at that. But macro mechanics are something specific to BW and very few present day Chinese pros in SC 2 are actually ex-BW players. F91 might be it, and he's in poor form. The Chinese SC 2 server has barely broken 300,000 accounts and is a year behind everywhere else in terms of game release. SC 2 is basically a flop in China and I don't expect that to change unless Blizzard makes a real effort to understand how the market there works. For those talking about "the Chinese are coming" - If SC 2 was more popular in China they'd likely be as good as other foreigners. But it's not, so I don't expect them to be. That said, Uhen cheesed five games in a row probably for the same reason Leenock did - because it works, so why wouldn't he? | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On December 02 2011 13:27 HuKPOWA wrote: Problem is, leenock basically all in'd his games in MLG finals to naniwa..and he won....but Leenock is being idolized b/c he showed his macro in GSL....We just need to see these Chinese players somewhere other than china :O Wrong. Naniwa had 1 build and Leenock knew it so he was easily able to dominate the inferior player. Try not to be so biased before making a dumb post. =D | ||
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Coldviolet
United States110 Posts
On December 02 2011 12:51 bokchoi wrote: SlayerS still refuses to take team arena seriously and doesn't send out any one of their star players everyone wants to see... Where's the fan service?  Minor leagues and team leagues are the only place where the team can help their B-teamers practice and experience outside of the team house. It's really important for the eSports scene to have many small leagues where non-superstar progamers can make living. Even if they don't get paid well or win the prize, it gives them the purpose and incentive. In fact, if they weren't serious they would send out MMA and 5-0 every week with cheesy builds. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 02 2011 14:34 Azarkon wrote: Chinese players in general are bad at macro. XiaoT is an exception but he quit the scene. WC 3 = all micro and strategy. They're great at that. But macro mechanics are something specific to BW and very few present day Chinese pros in SC 2 are actually ex-BW players. F91 might be it, and he's in poor form. The Chinese SC 2 server has barely broken 300,000 accounts and is a year behind everywhere else in terms of game release. SC 2 is basically a flop in China and I don't expect that to change unless Blizzard makes a real effort to understand how the market there works. For those talking about "the Chinese are coming" - If SC 2 was more popular in China they'd likely be as good as other foreigners. But it's not, so I don't expect them to be. That said, Uhen cheesed five games in a row probably for the same reason Leenock did - because it works, so why wouldn't he? To be honest, xiaOt's macro wasn't that great either; he could get away with it being mediocre since he played Protoss and could bank resources for a massive warp-in, but it was really his strategy, crisis-management, decision-making, and knack for good positioning that put him ahead of the curve. Also, his micro was superb. So, all in all, everything that he knew from War3 that he could carry over, he did. He had some tremendously scary blink stalker timings too where he would just chrono out the fastest upgrades you'd ever seen. Meh, there's macro in War3. It's just not what most people mean when they say "macro." >.< | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
I hope IGN can consider iG sometime in the future though, I think that's China's powerhouse. | ||
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Slakkoo
Sweden1119 Posts
On December 02 2011 13:09 woobsauce wrote: Perhaps you didn't watch the matches, or are you being hyperbolic? The scores alone are not what functions to indicate someone as "cheesy" or "bonjwa" material. I don't disagree that TL bias isn't irritating, but, frankly, Uhen's playstyle was very desperate, and his mechanics were hardly tested by the strategies he picked. The sample size is too low to call him a cheeser (especially given that he was in an emergency situation to win money for his team), but it is true he went for 5 all ins in a row in order to just end things quickly one way or the other. Frankly, I'd have to see more from Uhen to be impressed at all. None of the games I saw were really an indicator of skill, just build order brute force. So what if he did 5 games in a row? He won 4 of them and last I checked SC2 is play to win not play to appeal to viewers | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 02 2011 15:11 Slakkoo wrote: So what if he did 5 games in a row? He won 4 of them and last I checked SC2 is play to win not play to appeal to viewers Well doing roach/ling timing attacks and if it fails you lose is definitely a sign of a bad player lol. He did good to beat 4 of slayers players but they played greedy | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On December 02 2011 14:37 Hall0wed wrote: Wrong. Naniwa had 1 build and Leenock knew it so he was easily able to dominate the inferior player. Try not to be so biased before making a dumb post. =D lol...if it failed...leenock woulda been behind and would have a 99% chance to lose...aka all-in...no way of recovering...with someone with so many posts...u sure don't read the posts u comment on. An all in is an all in no matter what the other person does. Grats to SlayerS tho, i wanna see a Boxer all kill pls <3 <3 <3 | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
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