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The time has come for our fourteenth IGN Pro League Team Arena! This is a (follow closely) weekly winner's format team king of the hill showmatch series. For better clarification, check out our IPL Team Arena General Discussion thread!
When: Friday, Dec 02 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Dec 02 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Prizes
The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9) will earn $500 for their team to split however they want. To make things even more interesting, we are including a $100 bounty for each victory that a team earns, for new challengers to try and claim. For example, if a team wins 3 weeks in a row, they will have earned themselves $1,500 total, and have $300 worth of bounty on them. If a new team defeats them, they will earn the $500 for winning the week, as well as claim the $300 bounty.
SlayerS is the fourth team to win the IPL Team Arena, and they have earned themselves $2,500 and a $500 bounty on their heads. TyLoo is our first Chinese team to participate in IPL Team Arena, and they stand as good a chance as anyone at taking out the current champions. They are underdogs for sure due to their relative anonymity, but they are anxious to show their skills to the world. Here are their full rosters:
TyLoo Uhen XiaoKai  M Jim Kid  WP Infi SlayerS BoxeR Lots Dragon GanZi MMA Ryung TaeJa Clide Cella YuGiOh Golden Min CoCa Alicia Brown Crank Puzzle SocceR
New teams will be invited each week to take on the previous week's winner.
The First Match of the IPL Team Arena is on Friday, Dec 02 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Dec 02 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Poll: Who Will Win?!SlayerS (173) 82% TyLoo (39) 18% 212 total votes Your vote: Who Will Win?! (Vote): TyLoo
(Vote): SlayerS
Results!+ Show Spoiler [SlayerS vs. TyLoo Results] +Golden < Dual Sight > WP
Golden < Shattered Temple > Jim
Golden < Metalopolis > XiaoKai
Golden < Shakuras Plateau > M
Golden < Tal'Darim Altar > Uhen
Dragon < Antiga Shipyard > Uhen
SocceR < Xel'Naga Caverns > Uhen
Crank < Daybreak > Uhen
Alicia < Crevasse > Uhen
Congratulations to SlayerS for winning 5-4 and stopping Uhen from completing the reverse all-kill!
Map List
Xel'Naga Caverns
Metalopolis
Shakuras Plateau
Crevasse
Tal Darim Altar
Dual Sight
Xel'Naga Fortress
Terminus
Shattered Temple
Daybreak
Antiga Shipyard
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, HDStarCraft, and/or PainUser
We have already invited several teams and have more in mind, but if you would like your team to be considered for the IPL Team Arena as well, please send a letter of interest as well as a description of your team and a roster to iplquestions@ign.com!
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... Who?
I don't see slayers losing this one.
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Didn't see this coming when you said we should redefine what we think as foreign teams.
Uhen and Jim are pretty good from what I've seen, but yeah, no way Slayers loses.
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This is going to be a slaughter.
But maybe Infi will make an appearance -- unless he's too busy jerking off TH000, I guess.
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Watch slayers troll us all and send out MMA first.
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Clide should be in the slayers roster aswell! ;-)
I doubt slayers will lose but I root for Tyloo so we can see some interesting games.
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sorry but i dont know the team :s
Would be awesome if they win though 
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lol, chinese team. Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I wish China was doing as well as they did in WC3, but it just aint happening. I hope that turns around soon, as the BW pros are slowly coming out of BW Korea.. O_O
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I don't know the team either, but it's obviously a chinese team. Come on guys, think a bit :O
Edit : I dont know anyone but Infi and i don't know his current level as well, so kinda hard to tell how good they are ( i mean they're obviously gonna loose, since it's Slayers, but..)
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While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6
Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =)
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Should be interesting...
Always curious to see how those Chinese are coming along.
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On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =)
On the other hand that tournement is quite long ago and at the more recent IEM in china the chinese representives kinda failed.
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They might have a shot, honestly, but....... yeah, its time for IM or oGs to make a showing, honestly.... Slayers won't have any issues.
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![[image loading]](http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1964/slayersicon.png) VS![[image loading]](http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2511/tylooicon.png)
Should be pretty interesting, however I don't think SlayerS will have a problem beating TyLoo.
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China is the great unknown in terms of SC2 right now...we know they've got great players, but unfortunately opportunities to see them in action are few and far between. I'm for sure tuning in, who knows, maybe TyLoo is really good
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Great to see the Chinese scene gain some exposure. China is a huge market, and with millions of gamers, I am sure that many of them would follow competitive SC2. I wonder if these matches will be broadcasted in China.
Slayers wins this though...
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On November 30 2011 06:11 Tigi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) On the other hand that tournement is quite long ago and at the more recent IEM in china the chinese representives kinda failed.
To be fair to them, none of their really top players showed up, except for XiGua, who never really impressed me, though his ZvP wasn't bad. xiaOt quit a while back, which is a shame; during the time of the StarsWar tournament, he was the best Chinese Protoss and showed off some incredible games with great decision-making and crisis management. I honestly thought he was at least Code A level at the time. Then his team got bought out twice and now he's a manager. 
SC2 in general was pretty much a flop in China more so than it was in Korea. All the top Chinese progamers are still playing War3 and just mess around in SC2 from time to time (see: Infi), kind of like Lyn and Moon except probably even less seriously than those two.
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My bet? TyLoo proves to be a greater challenge to Slayers than most foreign teams...
We got so few opportunities to watch chinese players in action, thanks a lot to IPL!
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On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =)
isn't that the tournament where half the games were played on the china server and genius ragequit and forfeited because it was lagging too hard?
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On November 30 2011 06:16 VirgilSC2 wrote:VSShould be pretty interesting, however I don't think SlayerS will have a problem beating TyLoo.
On the plus side though, both teams have pretty sexy logos
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this has brown all kill written all over it... but gl to tyloo
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On November 30 2011 06:27 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) isn't that the tournament where half the games were played on the china server and genius ragequit and forfeited because it was lagging too hard?
Servers were decided randomly based on spawning position. Some games were played on Chinese server, some on NA server, some on Korean server.
Maybe one of Tyloo's Protoss players can knock out one of the SlayerS Terrans, given how terrible their TvP has always been.
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On November 30 2011 06:29 amazingoopah wrote:
this has brown all kill written all over it... but gl to tyloo
I think we'll see a Crank all-kill, but that's just me. Crank is scary good.
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On November 30 2011 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:
lol, chinese team. Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I wish China was doing as well as they did in WC3, but it just aint happening. I hope that turns around soon, as the BW pros are slowly coming out of BW Korea.. O_O
uhh you are crazy and delusional.
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On November 30 2011 06:29 amazingoopah wrote:
this has brown all kill written all over it... but gl to tyloo
EvE all kill inc
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gogo uhen,~~all kill -__-
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Who? The only player I recognize is Infi. Ah well, who do you think all-killed this time?
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Slayers Cella all-kill please 
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I'm blown away that 6 people think Slayers will lose 5 games to Tyloo. Anyone care to explain their thinking? O_o I just don't see that possibly happening.
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On November 30 2011 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:
lol, chinese team. Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I wish China was doing as well as they did in WC3, but it just aint happening. I hope that turns around soon, as the BW pros are slowly coming out of BW Korea.. O_O
You are embarrassing yourself.
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On November 30 2011 07:05 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm blown away that 6 people think Slayers will lose 5 games to Tyloo. Anyone care to explain their thinking? O_o I just don't see that possibly happening.
No need to exaggerate with your Jessica comment either. Yes, Slayers will win in a landslide, but Uhen, WP, and Jim can give some good games.
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People asking Tyloo to defeat SlayerS are crazy and overdemanding. If they manage to take 2 sets, they'll be better than any other foreigner "top" team, so remember that before judging.
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On November 30 2011 07:22 mordk wrote:
People asking Tyloo to defeat SlayerS are crazy and overdemanding. If they manage to take 2 sets, they'll be better than any other foreigner "top" team, so remember that before judging.
If they get one win, I will be satisfied.
Infi really shouldn't have picked Terran for his SC2 race. It's not a good fit. Should've went with Zerg. T.T
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Very anxious to see how chinese players will fair, we don't see enough of them!
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On November 29 2011 08:27 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 07:56 Alex.IGN wrote:
The actual team has still not been named TT Apollos? It's Gosu? TeamLiquid (wow no one said that yet i think) MTW? Tyloo ? WE? (ESC? aAa? Grubby? iP?)
Called it! Kind of
Well I think Slayers will take this, but apparently the games are good -.-
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It doesn't really matter who they send out against SlayerS. Arguably only Incredible Miracle would have a chance at beating them in this type of setting. = /
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On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =)
Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon)
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GET iG IN! THE SICKEST CHINESE TEAM.
Can't believe there's so many people who don't know who TyLoo is :S seriously?
Uhen can beat anyone on that team imo
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On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon)
At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0.
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On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0.
IEM was very strange...maybe it was nerve issues, but XiGua in particular played extremely poorly, below his usual standard. And at Blizzcon, the players weren't the winners of the Bnet Invitational because of Visa issues, they were just last minute replacements, not the players who qualified.
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On November 30 2011 07:43 Corrik wrote:
It doesn't really matter who they send out against SlayerS. Arguably only Incredible Miracle would have a chance at beating them in this type of setting. = /
No not at all, IM is bad at team leagues because mvp and Nestea suck in them. In a best of 9 series, I don't see any team beating slayers because the depth they have on their team. They could go to the 9th game and still have a top Code A player playing.
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On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0.
The reason that he beat Ret is because Ret is extremely greedy and Toodming's cheese got the best of him. If Toodming would have played a Zerg that is not as greedy as Ret such as Leenock or Nestea, maybe even Idra since he has not been as greedy lately, he would have gotten roflstomped.
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After like 10 wins they should give SlayerS the bonus pool they racked up and retire them from the league.
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On November 30 2011 08:04 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0. The reason that he beat Ret is because Ret is extremely greedy and Toodming's cheese got the best of him. If Toodming would have played a Zerg that is not as greedy as Ret such as Leenock or Nestea, maybe even Idra since he has not been as greedy lately, he would have gotten roflstomped.
Note, your original comment was, 'the Chinese got destroyed.' I'm merely stating that it's factually incorrect, unless you and I have a different understanding on the definition of "destroyed."
No one is arguing that Toodming is a better player than Ret or any of those other names you listed.
@Ruscour: Yeah, Xigua played WAY below his usual level at IEM.
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Even if TyLoo doesn't win... they surely have one of the most awesome logos ever created. I wouldn't count them out, though.
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I don't think that they can win... but i think they can at least take it to better than an AK by slayers anybody
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On November 30 2011 08:13 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:04 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0. The reason that he beat Ret is because Ret is extremely greedy and Toodming's cheese got the best of him. If Toodming would have played a Zerg that is not as greedy as Ret such as Leenock or Nestea, maybe even Idra since he has not been as greedy lately, he would have gotten roflstomped. Note, your original comment was, 'the Chinese got destroyed.' I'm merely stating that it's factually incorrect, unless you and I have a different understanding on the definition of "destroyed." No one is arguing that Toodming is a better player than Ret or any of those other names you listed. @Ruscour: Yeah, Xigua played WAY below his usual level at IEM.
Just because Toodming won 1 series against Ret who is extremely vunerable to cheese doesn't mean that the Chinese did not get dominated. Overall yes, they did get dominated. Its like in a bo7 series where a guy wins 1 game because of cheese but still loses 4-1, he got dominated.
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awesome, ipl bringing exposure to lesser known teams/players~!
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On November 30 2011 08:27 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:13 Qaatar wrote:On November 30 2011 08:04 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0. The reason that he beat Ret is because Ret is extremely greedy and Toodming's cheese got the best of him. If Toodming would have played a Zerg that is not as greedy as Ret such as Leenock or Nestea, maybe even Idra since he has not been as greedy lately, he would have gotten roflstomped. Note, your original comment was, 'the Chinese got destroyed.' I'm merely stating that it's factually incorrect, unless you and I have a different understanding on the definition of "destroyed." No one is arguing that Toodming is a better player than Ret or any of those other names you listed. @Ruscour: Yeah, Xigua played WAY below his usual level at IEM. Just because Toodming won 1 series against Ret who is extremely vunerable to cheese doesn't mean that the Chinese did not get dominated. Overall yes, they did get dominated. Its like in a bo7 series where a guy wins 1 game because of cheese but still loses 4-1, he got dominated.
Are you actually trying to argue against results? Loner went 1-2 against both Sheth and Brat_ok, and he didn't play very well. Toodming went 2-0 Ret, 1-2 MVP, 2-1 Jazbas, and 0-2 Dimaga. That's 7-9 total in games by the two Chinese. That's dominated? Ok...
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I'm stoked for this match, I think it's only a matter of time before the Chinese scene starts owning it up... that said Slayers will probably win this easily. Props to IGN for giving the Chinese scene more exposure though.
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Another easy win for SlayerS I'm guessing ^_^
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Well, Tyloo is kinda more famous for WC3 right? I don't think they would stand a chance against SlayerS... but anyway hope there would be good games
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On November 30 2011 08:12 Corrik wrote:
After like 10 wins they should give SlayerS the bonus pool they racked up and retire them from the league.
lol I second this. Or they could re-use teams previously played in the league (oGs-TL in mind)
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If Slayers doesn't win at worst by 5-1 it will be a surprise, I would totally rofl if Slayers losses but that probably won't happen.
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On November 30 2011 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:
lol, chinese team. Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I wish China was doing as well as they did in WC3, but it just aint happening. I hope that turns around soon, as the BW pros are slowly coming out of BW Korea.. O_O
I personally know a lot of americans like you.
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Tyloo may have a chance because Slayers wont be able to prepare against them that well...but yes, Slayers should take this no problem
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On November 30 2011 08:47 mcgriffin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:12 Corrik wrote:
After like 10 wins they should give SlayerS the bonus pool they racked up and retire them from the league. lol I second this. Or they could re-use teams previously played in the league (oGs-TL in mind)
TL may possibly be able to beat slayers if they use ogs members, and even then its tough.
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They shouldve never brought SlayerS into the team league.
No offence to any team in the world thats non korean
but I honestly do not think anyone out there can beat a High level Korean team
unless its a Korean team itself.
Dont think I hate, I love watching SlayerS everyweek
I just wish it wasnt a roll over everyweek(just about)
If they bring in a Korean team, it will just be GSTL(not to mention SlayerS being the only team to win it 2x)
I cant see any non-korean team taking a win from them
so if we bring in another korean team we are still in the same position.
Who will beat that Korean Team?
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On November 30 2011 09:12 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:
lol, chinese team. Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I wish China was doing as well as they did in WC3, but it just aint happening. I hope that turns around soon, as the BW pros are slowly coming out of BW Korea.. O_O I personally know a lot of americans like you.
I've seen a lot of people on TL like you, who make condescending posts without backing up their opinion at all. It doesn't serve your purpose well and certainly adds nothing to the discussion. Care to enlighten me with tournament results that show Tyloo able to compete with slayers in a team league? Maybe something besides losing a couple series 1-2 instead of 0-2? China is great at dota and WC3. Its not like I'm china-bashing. Its just that their results have been extremely lacking and they make no effort to catch up by competing in foreign events.
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Really look forward to seeing more of the Chinese scene. If we want to grow the global Sc2, we need fans, lots of them, and China is a huge market for potential growth, and with an established WC3 fanbase, it is not unconceivable for the Chinese to start taking interest in SC2 if some of their players or teams become successful (national pride is huge in China).
That being said, Slayers will most likely dominate Tyloo
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Tyloo will totally get all-killed, don't see them winning one single set.
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I was hoping SlayerS would send Eve out but shes not even on the roster
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Despite how much I love China and Tyloo, they're getting owned. I heard while in China that the top of the Chinese have trouble with some medium-level progamers from their forums/fans.
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the only 'problem' slayers might have is with the 3 protoss on tyloo
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Cheering for SlayerS but good luck to Tyloo, I could see them taking a game or two (at best).
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SlayerS ez. Though, I would definitely love to see the chinese giving SlayerS a run for their money.
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Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now?
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On November 30 2011 13:31 red4ce wrote:
Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now?
The ignorance in this thread is getting pretty ridiculous. Chinese players have always been ridiculously talented and there are several documented cases of Chinese players competing with highest level of Korean's during BW.
When this series turns out to be a lot close than everybody thinks, I'm going to quote this post =).
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This should be really easy for SlayerS. I remember thinking the Chinese scene was especially good, but after the latest IEM where they were all dominated it seems like they're too insular to advance quickly. It seems a lot like the SEA scene in that regard -- the top players don't really win for whatever reason.
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On November 30 2011 13:31 red4ce wrote:
Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now?
Of course he's not full-time SC2. What kind of question is that?
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On November 30 2011 08:01 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:43 Corrik wrote:
It doesn't really matter who they send out against SlayerS. Arguably only Incredible Miracle would have a chance at beating them in this type of setting. = / No not at all, IM is bad at team leagues because mvp and Nestea suck in them. In a best of 9 series, I don't see any team beating slayers because the depth they have on their team. They could go to the 9th game and still have a top Code A player playing.
Idk if it's really those two sucking so much as they're still in Code S RO8/4 when their team league matches come up. If they've been practicing one specific matchup, they're stuck in a weird situation where they don't want to play it (or they'll reveal strategies) but they're not as polished on the matchups they are willing to play.
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On November 30 2011 13:44 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:31 red4ce wrote:
Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now? The ignorance in this thread is getting pretty ridiculous. Chinese players have always been ridiculously talented and there are several documented cases of Chinese players competing with highest level of Korean's during BW. When this series turns out to be a lot close than everybody thinks, I'm going to quote this post =).
Wake me up when Lx or Pj start playing SC2 seriously. For now all I need to know about the mainland China scene is that Loner is still placing highly in Chinese events.
On November 30 2011 13:48 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:31 red4ce wrote:
Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now? Of course he's not full-time SC2. What kind of question is that?
I don't follow WC3. I just know Infi exists and is very good at WC3 but has played in several SC2 events, so I was wondering if he was like Grubby and plays SC2 all the time or if he's like Lyn who is mainly WC3 and dabbles in SC2 periodically.
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On November 30 2011 09:50 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 09:12 chosenkerrigan wrote:On November 30 2011 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:
lol, chinese team. Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I wish China was doing as well as they did in WC3, but it just aint happening. I hope that turns around soon, as the BW pros are slowly coming out of BW Korea.. O_O I personally know a lot of americans like you. I've seen a lot of people on TL like you, who make condescending posts without backing up their opinion at all. It doesn't serve your purpose well and certainly adds nothing to the discussion. Care to enlighten me with tournament results that show Tyloo able to compete with slayers in a team league? Maybe something besides losing a couple series 1-2 instead of 0-2? China is great at dota and WC3. Its not like I'm china-bashing. Its just that their results have been extremely lacking and they make no effort to catch up by competing in foreign events.
No, it's you who need to "back up" your "condescending" post when you said Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I never said Tyloo was able to compete with slayers in any format of league, and I don't think any foreign team can do. But I don't make stupidly over-exaggerated post to make me look cool.
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On November 30 2011 14:04 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:48 babylon wrote:On November 30 2011 13:31 red4ce wrote:
Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now? Of course he's not full-time SC2. What kind of question is that? I don't follow WC3. I just know Infi exists and is very good at WC3 but has played in several SC2 events, so I was wondering if he was like Grubby and plays SC2 all the time or if he's like Lyn who is mainly WC3 and dabbles in SC2 periodically.
No, he's like Lyn. He basically seems to dick around in SC2 and if he manages to qualify for or is invited to an SC2 event, he'll play in it, but he mainly defaults back to War3. In fact, he's playing in the War3 G-League on Dec. 3rd as the defending champion. Fun times, man. Fun times.
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Officially, Lyn is on Tyloo as a dual player WC3/SC2 player.
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On November 30 2011 13:44 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:31 red4ce wrote:
Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now? The ignorance in this thread is getting pretty ridiculous. Chinese players have always been ridiculously talented and there are several documented cases of Chinese players competing with highest level of Korean's during BW. When this series turns out to be a lot close than everybody thinks, I'm going to quote this post =).
uhen has performed like shit in esv, infi lost to softball in bnet invitational, and jim's most recent result was rolling jinro at IEM.
i don't think tyloo is going to do very well unless slayers feeds them eve.
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Go Infi! Wc3 players represent. Although they are going to get destroyed cause there's barely a Starcraft2 scene in China
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On November 30 2011 14:48 DoomsVille wrote:
Officially, Lyn is on Tyloo as a dual player WC3/SC2 player.
Didn't Lyn sign with Pandarea or did he change teams?
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On November 30 2011 15:08 Gh86 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 14:48 DoomsVille wrote:
Officially, Lyn is on Tyloo as a dual player WC3/SC2 player. Didn't Lyn sign with Pandarea or did he change teams?
Yes, he's on PanDa. DoomsVille misspoke. He was referring to Infi, not Lyn.
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WoW first time I see infi made the switch Hope he'll do well in SC2, he was a pretty darn good human player in wc3
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What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible.
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On November 30 2011 15:46 Skwid1g wrote:
What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible.
Apparently that event was plagued by bad lag.
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Lyn, as a Code B player back in Korea, is now a dominant player in Chinese scene (by beating top Chinese players like XiGua, F91, Lovecd ezpz), this will help you guys know about Chinese scene.
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@Slayer's HQ
"Hey guys we've got IPL today, who wants to stomp mid-lvl foreign dudes ?"
"No sorry I've got serious things to do, no time for fun games"
"Please I need at least 5 players ................."
"LOL LOL LOL LOL"
"Nah I'm just kidding :p 1 will be fine"
Must be something like that :p
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On November 30 2011 15:46 Skwid1g wrote:
What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible.
SlayerS went 15-1 the past 3 weeks using B teamers against Western players like Stephano, Nerchio, Elfi, etc who are far more proven than any Chinese player. StarsWar is about as accurate a guage of the strength of the Chinese scene as TSL3 was of the Western scene. It was a (mostly) online tournament and happened way too long ago to say anything about what the scene is like now. And for the record Chinese players did not do well against MC at all. Got stomped by him as a matter of fact. Stating honest observations isn't 'China bashing.' Chinese players will get respect when they perform well at major international LANs. It's the same standard applied to everyone.
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I see an infi all kill
Guard towers
towers
towers
EVERYWHERE
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On November 30 2011 15:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 15:46 Skwid1g wrote:
What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible. Apparently that event was plagued by bad lag.
The NA-China games at least were played alternating servers. So, for example, Xiaot beat Idra on both the Chinese and NA server for the 2-0. I believe that the EU vs Asia games were played on NA. They took lag into account, and tried to make the choice of servers fair.
Also, the replacements that were sent to the Blizzcon weren't the top players. Their results at the Chinese qualifier were similar to their results at Blizzcon. They're probably top 16 material, but Xigua would roflstomp toodming and loner any day.
I agree that IEM looked really bad, but Xigua really shouldn't be judged solely from the few games that he played there. Everyone has off days.
Try to learn more about the scene. The Chinese scene is fairly isolated, but they do occasionally play other Asian countries. China has wrecked in SEA tournaments, and players compete on fairly evenly with Koreans in the recent FXOpen KOTHs.
They also play on Korean ladder and have high enough MMR to play lots of the well known korean pros.
They'll probably lose to Slayers by a good margin, but I can see them taking a couple games.
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On November 30 2011 16:36 SilverRiver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 15:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 30 2011 15:46 Skwid1g wrote:
What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible. Apparently that event was plagued by bad lag. The NA-China games at least were played alternating servers. So, for example, Xiaot beat Idra on both the Chinese and NA server for the 2-0. I believe that the EU vs Asia games were played on NA. They took lag into account, and tried to make the choice of servers fair. Also, the replacements that were sent to the Blizzcon weren't the top players. Their results at the Chinese qualifier were similar to their results at Blizzcon. They're probably top 16 material, but Xigua would roflstomp toodming and loner any day. I agree that IEM looked really bad, but Xigua really shouldn't be judged solely from the few games that he played there. Everyone has off days. Try to learn more about the scene. The Chinese scene is fairly isolated, but they do occasionally play other Asian countries. China has wrecked in SEA tournaments, and players compete on fairly evenly with Koreans in the recent FXOpen KOTHs. They also play on Korean ladder and have high enough MMR to play lots of the well known korean pros. They'll probably lose to Slayers by a good margin, but I can see them taking a couple games.
i've watched both xigua and uhen play in fxo/ESV and they're significantly worse than low-tier koreans
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On November 30 2011 16:36 PowerDes wrote:
I see an infi all kill
Guard towers
towers
towers
EVERYWHERE
Turtle like a mofo.
I don't expect Infi to do really well in SC2 until HotS when the shredder comes out. >.<
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On November 30 2011 16:47 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 16:36 PowerDes wrote:
I see an infi all kill
Guard towers
towers
towers
EVERYWHERE Turtle like a mofo. I don't expect Infi to do really well in SC2 until HotS when the shredder comes out. >.<
in my eyes infi could have played protoss instead and made nothing but photon cannons
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On November 30 2011 16:54 Theifzz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 16:47 babylon wrote:On November 30 2011 16:36 PowerDes wrote:
I see an infi all kill
Guard towers
towers
towers
EVERYWHERE Turtle like a mofo. I don't expect Infi to do really well in SC2 until HotS when the shredder comes out. >.< in my eyes infi could have played protoss instead and made nothing but photon cannons
He would get fast Shield Upgrades just for them, you know it.
Hahha, that reminds me of this really early game of his I watched where he actually went for fast Building Armor upgrades against a Zerg, and they didn't help one bit, and he got completely rolled. I laughed.
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On November 30 2011 16:36 SilverRiver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 15:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 30 2011 15:46 Skwid1g wrote:
What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible. Apparently that event was plagued by bad lag. The NA-China games at least were played alternating servers. So, for example, Xiaot beat Idra on both the Chinese and NA server for the 2-0. I believe that the EU vs Asia games were played on NA. They took lag into account, and tried to make the choice of servers fair. Also, the replacements that were sent to the Blizzcon weren't the top players. Their results at the Chinese qualifier were similar to their results at Blizzcon. They're probably top 16 material, but Xigua would roflstomp toodming and loner any day. I agree that IEM looked really bad, but Xigua really shouldn't be judged solely from the few games that he played there. Everyone has off days. Try to learn more about the scene. The Chinese scene is fairly isolated, but they do occasionally play other Asian countries. China has wrecked in SEA tournaments, and players compete on fairly evenly with Koreans in the recent FXOpen KOTHs. They also play on Korean ladder and have high enough MMR to play lots of the well known korean pros. They'll probably lose to Slayers by a good margin, but I can see them taking a couple games.
It's not like SEA has a lot of great players though. And online events such as KOTH are way different from actual events.
If Western teams struggled to take more than a game or 2 off of slayers I doubt Tyloo can take more than 1
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i really look forward to seeing the games from the Chinese players... they got the game later so i dont think we've come close to seeing the top chinese players yet. Its still working itself out there.
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On November 30 2011 16:44 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 16:36 SilverRiver wrote:On November 30 2011 15:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 30 2011 15:46 Skwid1g wrote:
What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible. Apparently that event was plagued by bad lag. The NA-China games at least were played alternating servers. So, for example, Xiaot beat Idra on both the Chinese and NA server for the 2-0. I believe that the EU vs Asia games were played on NA. They took lag into account, and tried to make the choice of servers fair. Also, the replacements that were sent to the Blizzcon weren't the top players. Their results at the Chinese qualifier were similar to their results at Blizzcon. They're probably top 16 material, but Xigua would roflstomp toodming and loner any day. I agree that IEM looked really bad, but Xigua really shouldn't be judged solely from the few games that he played there. Everyone has off days. Try to learn more about the scene. The Chinese scene is fairly isolated, but they do occasionally play other Asian countries. China has wrecked in SEA tournaments, and players compete on fairly evenly with Koreans in the recent FXOpen KOTHs. They also play on Korean ladder and have high enough MMR to play lots of the well known korean pros. They'll probably lose to Slayers by a good margin, but I can see them taking a couple games. i've watched both xigua and uhen play in fxo/ESV and they're significantly worse than low-tier koreans
Oh man, XiGua was TERRIBLE in the recent ESV Weekly; he looked completely lost. I think we've seen enough of the Chinese players to lay rest to the "mystery" behind them -- their lack of exposure isn't hiding any secret banjos, that's for sure. They're just middling at best.
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On November 30 2011 15:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 15:46 Skwid1g wrote:
What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible. Apparently that event was plagued by bad lag.
While the Chinese scene seems pretty terrible now, Fruitdealer and Nestea were both knocked out on the KR server by Chinese players for all 3 sets played. Servers weren't being changed for KR-CN games.
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I remember jim beating jinro in iem... That's quite good. Slayers should win easily but tyloo may struggle a bit. How are servers chosen in I'Ll although Korea and China are very close. the ping may not be too bad.
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ALL THE GAMES will be played on KR server
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On November 30 2011 17:50 dinosrwar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 16:44 rauk wrote:On November 30 2011 16:36 SilverRiver wrote:On November 30 2011 15:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 30 2011 15:46 Skwid1g wrote:
What's with all the China bashing? Did you all forget about Starswar, where the Chinese were doing well against top (Nestea, MC, etc.) Korean players? Yeah, it was a while ago, but I doubt they somehow got bad enough to get stomped by mediocre players.
Tyloo will probably lose 5-2 at best, but they're not terrible. Apparently that event was plagued by bad lag. The NA-China games at least were played alternating servers. So, for example, Xiaot beat Idra on both the Chinese and NA server for the 2-0. I believe that the EU vs Asia games were played on NA. They took lag into account, and tried to make the choice of servers fair. Also, the replacements that were sent to the Blizzcon weren't the top players. Their results at the Chinese qualifier were similar to their results at Blizzcon. They're probably top 16 material, but Xigua would roflstomp toodming and loner any day. I agree that IEM looked really bad, but Xigua really shouldn't be judged solely from the few games that he played there. Everyone has off days. Try to learn more about the scene. The Chinese scene is fairly isolated, but they do occasionally play other Asian countries. China has wrecked in SEA tournaments, and players compete on fairly evenly with Koreans in the recent FXOpen KOTHs. They also play on Korean ladder and have high enough MMR to play lots of the well known korean pros. They'll probably lose to Slayers by a good margin, but I can see them taking a couple games. i've watched both xigua and uhen play in fxo/ESV and they're significantly worse than low-tier koreans Oh man, XiGua was TERRIBLE in the recent ESV Weekly; he looked completely lost. I think we've seen enough of the Chinese players to lay rest to the "mystery" behind them -- their lack of exposure isn't hiding any secret banjos, that's for sure. They're just middling at best.
In general, you can say their Terran players are terrible, and their Zerg players are weak, but their top Protoss players aren't bad (and for a while, I'd say their Protoss players were pretty good). Too bad xiaOt retired; he was the first Protoss player I liked and showed a lot of promise.
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On November 30 2011 16:21 ChApFoU wrote:
@Slayer's HQ
"Hey guys we've got IPL today, who wants to stomp mid-lvl foreign dudes ?"
"No sorry I've got serious things to do, no time for fun games"
"Please I need at least 5 players ................."
"LOL LOL LOL LOL"
"Nah I'm just kidding :p 1 will be fine"
Must be something like that :p
^^ROFL
Please let SlayerS_Dragon perform some funny strats :D.
But seriously, SlayerS will probably rape face as usual :-P
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Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money.
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tyloo will lose, i cant possibly see them winning. unless slayers send out a bunch of mediocre players.
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On December 01 2011 03:59 GreEny K wrote:
Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money.
i dont really agree. all the chinese players were overhyped at the events they attended and they all underperformed. the only 2 players who stood up against koreans and other foreigern in, at least, online events were LoveCD and LoveTT.
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Every time there's some chinese players participating it is the same story. "The chinese scene is getting gosu behind the scenes, wait until they make a real appearence" Followed by all chinese players going 0-X in the first stages of the tournament. Maybe this time someone can win a map, but nothing more...
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On December 01 2011 04:07 BiG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 03:59 GreEny K wrote:
Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money. i dont really agree. all the chinese players were overhyped at the events they attended and they all underperformed. the only 2 players who stood up against koreans and other foreigern in, at least, online events were LoveCD and LoveTT.
But the players that were sent to those events aren't really the best players in China. I think the best Chinese player can easily keep up or beat the top foreigner currently. And quite possibly Koreans as well.
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On November 30 2011 09:17 IOvEggY wrote:
They shouldve never brought SlayerS into the team league.
No offence to any team in the world thats non korean
but I honestly do not think anyone out there can beat a High level Korean team
unless its a Korean team itself.
Dont think I hate, I love watching SlayerS everyweek
I just wish it wasnt a roll over everyweek(just about)
If they bring in a Korean team, it will just be GSTL(not to mention SlayerS being the only team to win it 2x)
I cant see any non-korean team taking a win from them
so if we bring in another korean team we are still in the same position.
Who will beat that Korean Team?
But think of the great storyline every single week. Will a foreign team take down the juggernaught? Will a foreign team not get all-killed?
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For those who dont know, tyloo is firstly a dotA team, and complete in the $1,000,000 dotA2 tourny, apparently they have a sc2 team as well (obv not using the dota players) and the chinese are strong in wc3 throught years of practise, even just 5 years back koreans were dominate in wc3 as well, just give them a little time and who knows.
On the plus side its always good if there are more players/teams playing
so good luck tyloo (even tho your probaby gonna lose....slayers have too much experience)
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Words can't express how scary Slayers terran lineup is right now.
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On December 01 2011 04:12 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 04:07 BiG wrote:On December 01 2011 03:59 GreEny K wrote:
Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money. i dont really agree. all the chinese players were overhyped at the events they attended and they all underperformed. the only 2 players who stood up against koreans and other foreigern in, at least, online events were LoveCD and LoveTT. But the players that were sent to those events aren't really the best players in China. I think the best Chinese player can easily keep up or beat the top foreigner currently. And quite possibly Koreans as well.
That depends on who's the actual top Chinese player. As of yet, there really hasn't been one named, now that everyone who went to IEM Guangzhou got destroyed and Uhen was recently taken down in the NASL open.
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Ohhhh really excited to see how Chinese teams stack up against top korean teams!!
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On December 01 2011 19:40 Packawana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 04:12 GreEny K wrote:On December 01 2011 04:07 BiG wrote:On December 01 2011 03:59 GreEny K wrote:
Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money. i dont really agree. all the chinese players were overhyped at the events they attended and they all underperformed. the only 2 players who stood up against koreans and other foreigern in, at least, online events were LoveCD and LoveTT. But the players that were sent to those events aren't really the best players in China. I think the best Chinese player can easily keep up or beat the top foreigner currently. And quite possibly Koreans as well. That depends on who's the actual top Chinese player. As of yet, there really hasn't been one named, now that everyone who went to IEM Guangzhou got destroyed and Uhen was recently taken down in the NASL open.
Yeah, Jim and Uhen didn't seem too strong.
I don't think Tyloo will do better than the other foreign teams so far.
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I hope coca plays, but he probably wont
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SlayerS should win this no problem just like any other week. Have they used any GSL players since their series vs Liquid?
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On December 01 2011 22:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
SlayerS should win this no problem just like any other week. Have they used any GSL players since their series vs Liquid?
Ryung, Coca and Puzzle the following week against mousesports.
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On December 01 2011 03:59 GreEny K wrote:
Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money.
..........................................................................SlayerS 5-1.
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I really hope Slayers_Dragon plays. God he makes me laugh so much on his stream haha.
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Really curious about this, hope we see some good games.
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On November 30 2011 06:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Watch slayers troll us all and send out MMA first.
Haha that would be funny.
I want Infi and TyLoo to do well, but it's SlayerS. I don't see TyLoo winning this. Golden all-kill is a definite possibility.
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Infi shall show these slayers scrubs how humanity can static defense rush a guy.
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Maybe we will see Clide play?
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Tyloo dosnt stand a chance in hell of taking down SlayerS B team so why would there be a shot against their a team? They would is the answer to that question, so SlayerS will win in a landslide 5-0 ezpz
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On December 01 2011 04:07 BiG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 03:59 GreEny K wrote:
Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money. i dont really agree. all the chinese players were overhyped at the events they attended and they all underperformed. the only 2 players who stood up against koreans and other foreigern in, at least, online events were LoveCD and LoveTT.
You can't forget Loner, he actually did fairly well in the events I saw him play in. Surely not Top Korean level, but he was good.
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people are like: tyloo doesnt stand a chance. but nobody know who they are, its like when tails raped mvp and nestea back to back
we dont know who these guys are, it could be people from bw.
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Slayers have got this, the question is, can Tyloo beat one of SlayerS b team players??
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Never heard of TyLoo before, hopefully they can surprise us. GGs : D
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On December 02 2011 05:10 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 04:07 BiG wrote:On December 01 2011 03:59 GreEny K wrote:
Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money. i dont really agree. all the chinese players were overhyped at the events they attended and they all underperformed. the only 2 players who stood up against koreans and other foreigern in, at least, online events were LoveCD and LoveTT. You can't forget Loner, he actually did fairly well in the events I saw him play in. Surely not Top Korean level, but he was good.
and Xiaot, i remember he beat mkp in an embarrassing way in same tournament
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Why pro Chinese players don't train on the korean server ? They would be as good as them in a long run i think.
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I have just realized that the only Chinese players that I remotely know are Infi (DH Valencia, replaced by HerO?) and Loner when he got rolled by BoxeR in GSL 2
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Really excited to see these games!
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On December 02 2011 06:40 AIOL! wrote:
Why pro Chinese players don't train on the korean server ? They would be as good as them in a long run i think.
Huh? Where did you hear that? All of them train on Korean server, I know Lovett has a smurf in the Korean GM.
The level of play in Chinese server is actually quite awful, it's at least one level below the NA server, no one with the right mind would train there
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On November 30 2011 06:28 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:16 VirgilSC2 wrote:VSShould be pretty interesting, however I don't think SlayerS will have a problem beating TyLoo. On the plus side though, both teams have pretty sexy logos
yeah, seriously.
+ Show Spoiler + I'm lookin at you startale
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On December 01 2011 19:40 Packawana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 04:12 GreEny K wrote:On December 01 2011 04:07 BiG wrote:On December 01 2011 03:59 GreEny K wrote:
Since the team is Chinese, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and expect some decent games from them. Chinese teams definitely don't get the credit they deserve, because they seldom join foreign tournaments, but there are some chinese players that would give ANY Korean player a run for their money. i dont really agree. all the chinese players were overhyped at the events they attended and they all underperformed. the only 2 players who stood up against koreans and other foreigern in, at least, online events were LoveCD and LoveTT. But the players that were sent to those events aren't really the best players in China. I think the best Chinese player can easily keep up or beat the top foreigner currently. And quite possibly Koreans as well. That depends on who's the actual top Chinese player. As of yet, there really hasn't been one named, now that everyone who went to IEM Guangzhou got destroyed and Uhen was recently taken down in the NASL open.
Actually, at least one of the players in Guangzhou was considered top rank, if not the best player in china, his id is xigua. He went 0-3 in the groups though. He probably just under performed there, however, I think the Chinese scene as a whole is actually very under developed compared to the foreign scene.
I talked to Lovett before, he said the reason that Chinese players don't participate in foreign tournament is because there simply aren't enough incentive (plus, wtf visa). Also, the companies that sponsor the team don't gain much from foreign exposure.
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Go SlayerS! as much as I hope for good games I really love watching SlayerS win games lol
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On December 02 2011 06:07 j4vz wrote:
people are like: tyloo doesnt stand a chance. but nobody know who they are, its like when tails raped mvp and nestea back to back
we dont know who these guys are, it could be people from bw.
he won bo1's from mvp and nestea you consider that rape? LOL
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On December 02 2011 08:38 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:28 Emporio wrote:On November 30 2011 06:16 VirgilSC2 wrote:VSShould be pretty interesting, however I don't think SlayerS will have a problem beating TyLoo. On the plus side though, both teams have pretty sexy logos yeah, seriously. + Show Spoiler + I'm lookin at you startale
Among the Chinese esports teams, in my humble opinion Tyloo's logo is not as cool as DK, CCM (now iG), EHome and WE. I think SlayerS will kill the Ts, Chinese Ps and Zs are decent and might give SlayerS B-team a fight.
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Seriously, SlayerS lineup compared to all the other teams... :D
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I think IGN is restarting the IPL Team Arena standings next year so SlayerS can't go on a permanent winning streak.
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Maybe some allstar team Top 5 Europeans vs Slayers would be ok :D or something like that, cause no foreigner team has a chance of taking 5 games off them,.
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I'm sure Tyloo can put up a good fight.
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lost all 4 hellions for 5 drones :/ not a good trade to make...
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
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Will there be vods available or only restream?
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
On December 02 2011 10:15 Eee wrote:
Will there be vods available or only restream?
You can always find VODs from IPL productions, you just need to know where to look.
http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague
You can always go down and find their previous casts. They are not always the best when it comes to actual descriptions, but it is not too hard to find what you are looking for.
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apprently Golden's too good for WP...
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
This is pretty one-sided...
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Slayers Golden is like the DRG of Team Arena
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SlayerS B-team is too good for anyone but the top 10 foreigners.
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On December 02 2011 10:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Golden FTW!!! ♥
That's one.
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Golden has been Code B since January. He seems like Code A material.
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On December 02 2011 10:24 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Golden has been Code B since January. He seems like Code A material.
Yeah I agree. He's just sooo calm when he holds off those attacks
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IPL is slowly but surely becoming my favorite stream, just like GSL did a year ago. This is quality entertainment right here, watching my favorite team play against some unknown yet good team, with good casting and production.
IPL team arena FTW
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These CHinese players have some really weird builds....
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slayers so dominant... tyloo has tough match ahead
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Dude, Jim's username is INCEPTION :O
And I love the hallucinated phonix + real phoenix because you don't prepare for the latter thinking they are the former
Golden playing well though
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Wow, I want to see if this build will work
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Was that zero micro there from Jim?
Sure looked like it.
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Too much stuff... Jim shouldn't have done that o.o
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If Jim had better macro this game woulda been over a few minutes ago, still pretty close
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United States97276 Posts
Golden is going to get the all kill
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On December 02 2011 10:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:That's one.
That's two.
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The game was a bit frustrating. Jim tried to hide his fenixes, fine, but he was so passive with them. What a waste.
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:\ chinese isnt giving a good first impression ((((
Golden might all kill her e((
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Wait did Jim get thermal lance in that game? Interesting game, always cool to see PvZ aerial dogfights.
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Not impressed with the Chinese players at the moment. They were pretty bad at IEM China, too.
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Golden is an IPL Team Arena alltime great now. 9-0 in this league.
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On December 02 2011 10:46 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Golden is an IPL Team Arena alltime great now. 9-0 in this league.
does that record count today's result?
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opterown
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United States97276 Posts
I've seen people do this on the ladder. it's really annoying
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For those of you wondering, Xi is pronounced 'sh' so it's shaokai.
Edit: Golden is 10-0 after the last game. If he finishes the allkill he'll be 13-0.
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Its actually pretty close right now... can XiaoKai win one for China?
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oh xiaokai might be able to take down Golden... at least he's in good position now.
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opterown
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those supply blocks... =/
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Golden's got this. He's up by like 15 drones and has way better food.
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Owwwww Infested terrans take out hatchery
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Golden messed this game up really bad.
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Wow, such strange play from both players...so many spines
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Golden isn't out by a long shot... I'm loving the ling-infestor centered play with drops and stuff
OH MY GOD XIAOKAI LOSES ALL HIS TECH
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
Wow, that's some badass ZvZ from Golden.
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Golden is trolling sooo hard hahahaha infestors ftw?
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What am I watching? Destiny on steroids?
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LOL infested terrans just destroyed the main LOL!
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Wow that army of infested terrans...
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owww smart counterdrop is going to win... golden has no real army
uhhh actually idk what is going to happen anymore
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Eh... Looks like Golden got a bit too cocky. No units aside from infestors XD
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
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Pure infestor doesn't work. Fancy that.
Manner hatcheries all over.
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On December 02 2011 11:03 Caesarion wrote:Pure infestor doesn't work. Fancy that. Manner hatcheries all over.
You were saying lol
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wow. that was silly -.- sigh go Chinaaaaa
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Lord_J
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Hahahaha, that was really fun to watch, although I don't know if that's really a viable play style.
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Golden is suuuuch a sick nerd baller *-*
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rofl what in the fuck was that
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United States97276 Posts
lol infested terran everywhere
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That was one of weirdest pro ZvZs I have ever seen
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Awesome awesome awesome!!!
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Australia8532 Posts
I can't believe that actually worked ><
Base trade ZvZs is hilarious;
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lol great game but casters are bad at hyping... they sound really awkward. good try nonetheless
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On December 02 2011 10:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 10:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 10:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Golden FTW!!! ♥ That's one. That's two.
That's three.
(So far Golden has won ZvT, then ZvP, then ZvZ.)
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Marines are so OP even Zerg abuse them :D
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He did a +1 range atk Infestor IT spam to snipe the 3rd, then +2 range atk Infestor drop IT spam on the main killing all tech
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Golden is indeed a sick nerd-baller :O @IPL - How did you manage to get the SlayerS jersey? O_O
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I just want to get to see Alicia or taeja play.
Taeja prob wont play cause he has to prepare for cod a match but Alicia could make an appearance.
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That was awesome.
On December 02 2011 11:05 Lord_J wrote:
Hahahaha, that was really fun to watch, although I don't know if that's really a viable play style.
Well, it's viable....he just won with it.
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bad move by the chinese guy... he had to snip those infestors before leaving the gold at the end...
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Isn't golden the one where him and destiny had a super long zvz infestor warfare battle rofl
GG golden
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On December 02 2011 11:06 ChaLei wrote:That was awesome. Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:05 Lord_J wrote:
Hahahaha, that was really fun to watch, although I don't know if that's really a viable play style. Well, it's viable....he just won with it.
Yes but he's most likely far superior to his opponent.
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...Wow Golden and SlayerS gonna rape everyone in every following Team Arena...
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On December 02 2011 11:06 ChaLei wrote:That was awesome. Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:05 Lord_J wrote:
Hahahaha, that was really fun to watch, although I don't know if that's really a viable play style. Well, it's viable....he just won with it.
Well, it's not like the Chinese player was super gosu. wp by golden.
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On December 02 2011 11:06 ChaLei wrote:That was awesome. Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:05 Lord_J wrote:
Hahahaha, that was really fun to watch, although I don't know if that's really a viable play style. Well, it's viable....he just won with it.
winning one game doesnt make one style viable yet at all
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On December 02 2011 11:07 TemplarCo. wrote:
...Wow Golden and SlayerS gonna rape everyone in every following Team Arena...
If EG fields Huk, Idra, Puma, DeMuslim they might at least take some games.
Mouz also gave SlayerS their toughest run yet taking out some of their better players so maybe next time with MorroW having trained in Korea they can pull it off.
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On December 02 2011 11:06 woobsauce wrote:
Golden is indeed a sick nerd-baller :O @IPL - How did you manage to get the SlayerS jersey? O_O
SlayerS Jessica and Boxer gave the jersey to me at IPL3. It's signed on the back. Decided to show a little SlayerS love (since they're doing so well in Team Arena) and let the casters hang it up today ^_^
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On December 02 2011 11:09 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:07 TemplarCo. wrote:
...Wow Golden and SlayerS gonna rape everyone in every following Team Arena... If EG fields Huk, Idra, Puma, DeMuslim they might at least take some games. Mouz also gave SlayerS their toughest run yet taking out some of their better players so maybe next time with MorroW having trained in Korea they can pull it off.
What you said about EG and Mouz is true, but what is really scary is the fact that we have only seen a handful of Code S players (Ryung, Coca and Puzzle), but have not yet seen the really big guns in MMA and Ganzi (maybe Taeja if he plays like he does in the ESV).
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SlayerS is so awesome. Their team roster is ridiculously huge now though.
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On December 02 2011 11:12 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:09 Zzoram wrote:On December 02 2011 11:07 TemplarCo. wrote:
...Wow Golden and SlayerS gonna rape everyone in every following Team Arena... If EG fields Huk, Idra, Puma, DeMuslim they might at least take some games. Mouz also gave SlayerS their toughest run yet taking out some of their better players so maybe next time with MorroW having trained in Korea they can pull it off. What you said about EG and Mouz is true, but what is really scary is the fact that we have only seen a handful of Code S players (Ryung, Coca and Puzzle), but have not yet seen the really big guns in MMA and Ganzi (maybe Taeja if he plays like he does in the ESV).
If the EG A-team moves to Korea, they will lose the lag advantage too.
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On December 02 2011 11:12 Zzoram wrote:
SlayerS is so awesome. Their team roster is ridiculously huge now though.
No more coca~
but I want to see CLIIIIDDDEEEEEE
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LOL i love how golden is the one taking all these players out ^^
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On December 02 2011 11:15 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:12 Bagration wrote:On December 02 2011 11:09 Zzoram wrote:On December 02 2011 11:07 TemplarCo. wrote:
...Wow Golden and SlayerS gonna rape everyone in every following Team Arena... If EG fields Huk, Idra, Puma, DeMuslim they might at least take some games. Mouz also gave SlayerS their toughest run yet taking out some of their better players so maybe next time with MorroW having trained in Korea they can pull it off. What you said about EG and Mouz is true, but what is really scary is the fact that we have only seen a handful of Code S players (Ryung, Coca and Puzzle), but have not yet seen the really big guns in MMA and Ganzi (maybe Taeja if he plays like he does in the ESV). If the EG A-team moves to Korea, they will lose the lag advantage too.
oh they're playing all the games in the NA server? then it's even more impressive :O I thought they were alternating between KR and NA each game
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Golden with some star sense! Spores going up!
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lol golden ahead by a lot :O
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4 base on 11 mins after you fail dts...come on really?
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On December 02 2011 11:21 Olinimm wrote:
4 base on 11 mins after you fail dts...come on really?
mayb they know if they don't do those gimmicky builds, they'd surely lose.
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and thats gg...not microing the colossus...or anything :\ gg :\
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Results as expected. Doesn't make it less disappointing.
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does golden even know about the other 2 expos? lol
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Did he ever scout the 3rd and 4th?
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On December 02 2011 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 10:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 10:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 10:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Golden FTW!!! ♥ That's one. That's two. That's three. (So far Golden has won ZvT, then ZvP, then ZvZ.)
That's four.
(I thought SlayerS was going to lose 1 game, taking the series 5-1. Let's see if Golden all-kills instead!)
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Alright reverse all kill incoming. Just watch
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SlayerS stomp complete
Well played golden - can't say it was unexpected
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Why no Infi? (
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That was silly by M, after he held the first wave why did he walk into the middle and let himself get surrounded TT
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all the left over pins from IPL 3 lol :D
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On December 02 2011 11:27 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
That was silly by M, after he held the first wave why did he walk into the middle and let himself get surrounded TT
Why did he take 4 bases after doing no damage with dt's in the most insanely greedy display I've ever witnessed? The world may never know.
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Did anybody seriously expect anything else form this tournament?
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To those asking whether or not Golden saw M's third and fourth bases...
Golden's zergling was in the back of the second expansion area, so I assume he saw the fourth go up... but he never saw the ninja third at the top left afaik.
And he just decided to go kill the natural/ main with his attack ::shrugs::
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Recently people talking about foreigners winning (IPL 3, IEM, MLG Orlando) but after seeing Team Arena I realize how big the gap still is. Slayers Golden and Lots are just B-teamers, yet they have been able to trounce several major foreign teams and big name foreigners. Maybe the top 1% of foreigners can hold against Korea, but the results from Team Arena continue to show that there exists a huge gap
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Yet another team getting run over by slayers
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Tyloo guys messing up their starts has to be due to lag. Pro's aren't going to have those kind of simple mechanical mistakes.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Welcome to zvZ!!!! ((((
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On December 02 2011 11:31 Bagration wrote:
Recently people talking about foreigners winning (IPL 3, IEM, MLG Orlando) but after seeing Team Arena I realize how big the gap still is. Slayers Golden and Lots are just B-teamers, yet they have been able to trounce several major foreign teams and big name foreigners. Maybe the top 1% of foreigners can hold against Korea, but the results from Team Arena continue to show that there exists a huge gap
Liquid and Mouz took it to 5-3, pretty good considering SlayerS has the deepest pool of players to pull from (therefore leading to more players being used as snipers). Everyone else that has challenged SlayerS so far really isn't that good (Chinese players are actually just horrible).
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No shame for Tyloo as this happened to two other teams already
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Yes! No all-kill!
Oh Dragon. Wanted my TaeJa to play.
Uhen fighting!
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All-kill averted! For China!
I would laugh if MMA was next
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On December 02 2011 11:31 Bagration wrote:
Recently people talking about foreigners winning (IPL 3, IEM, MLG Orlando) but after seeing Team Arena I realize how big the gap still is. Slayers Golden and Lots are just B-teamers, yet they have been able to trounce several major foreign teams and big name foreigners. Maybe the top 1% of foreigners can hold against Korea, but the results from Team Arena continue to show that there exists a huge gap
I don't think many people at all have claimed that the average foreign pro = average Korean pro. It's obvious that there's a gap there... but I think the top 5-10% of foreigners are equal to the top 5-10% of Koreans.
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On December 02 2011 11:34 cablesc wrote:
Tyloo guys messing up their starts has to be due to lag. Pro's aren't going to have those kind of simple mechanical mistakes.
I highly doubt it would be much different if they were in the same room; the skill gap is too huge to matter usually.
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Nevermind, seems that Uhen has stopped the allkill and maybe we will see a reverse all-kill...
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On December 02 2011 11:36 1Eris1 wrote:
REVERSE ALL KILL INC
Lol. Made me smile. :D
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On December 02 2011 11:31 Bagration wrote:
Recently people talking about foreigners winning (IPL 3, IEM, MLG Orlando) but after seeing Team Arena I realize how big the gap still is. Slayers Golden and Lots are just B-teamers, yet they have been able to trounce several major foreign teams and big name foreigners. Maybe the top 1% of foreigners can hold against Korea, but the results from Team Arena continue to show that there exists a huge gap
People only see the top Koreans in Code S and how they are better than foreigners. But it is often not realized that Korea has not only quality but quantity. Those Code B players can take on any foreigner and could take a win off almost all code A/S players.
And the latest all-kills were still not such a big samplesize. Players like Stephano or Nerchio should be able to take a win off most koreans.
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Well fuck...good job man.
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More games!!!
Er, oh god, it's Dragon. Might be "more game".
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I actually hope Dragon loses just for the chance to see if Eve gets sent out.
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That seemed pretty anti-climactic. That wasn't really an indicator of either player's ability. Golden is a sick nerd baller regardless. 12-1 in the teamleague, wut :V
Edit: to those of you who don't think Golden is a top, top level player - he has been in 4-5 seasons of GSL. Given how hard it is to qualify, that is quite something.
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On December 02 2011 11:37 urasyupi2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:34 cablesc wrote:
Tyloo guys messing up their starts has to be due to lag. Pro's aren't going to have those kind of simple mechanical mistakes. I highly doubt it would be much different if they were in the same room; the skill gap is too huge to matter usually.
True, but I don't think tyloo is quite as bad as those first 4 matches.
Dragon incoming. Nice.
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GO EVE!!!!!!! Hope Eve gets sent out if Dragon loses :D
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i want to see cutie eve in one of these
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They've never put Eve into a competitive match yet, I don't see why they would now. She's not a player, she's a mascot if that. At least ToSsGirL won like 25% of her competitive matches, Eve would win 0% at her Diamond skill level.
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Very impressed with uhen's play that game! Although I normally cheer on the underdogs, I'm too big of a Dragon fanboy to do that. That being said, gogogogogogo SlayerS and Dragon!!!
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On December 02 2011 11:40 Zzoram wrote:
They've never put Eve into a competitive match yet, I don't see why they would now. She's not a player, she's a mascot if that. At least ToSsGirL won like 25% of her competitive matches, Eve would win 0% at her Diamond skill level.
I doubt she's still Diamond. She played quite well in her showmatches. Would probably make Grandmasters in NA ladder.
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Nice! It's Slayers dragon!
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On December 02 2011 11:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 10:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 10:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 10:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Golden FTW!!! ♥ That's one. That's two. That's three. (So far Golden has won ZvT, then ZvP, then ZvZ.) That's four. (I thought SlayerS was going to lose 1 game, taking the series 5-1. Let's see if Golden all-kills instead!)
And Golden ends with a 4-kill... and now Slayers UNLEASHES THE DRAGON!
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Only appropriate that Dragon slays the Chinese.
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no all-kill by Golden I'm disappointed.... lol
GOGO DRAGON
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wow, fast macro hatch, BW style.
I love it !
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I sense a thor drop incoming
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I wonder if Dragon is being silly.
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actually, tbh, go Uhen, force Slayers to bring out big guns
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yeah i want to see slayers big guns come out!
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Looks like Skyrim is popular in China 
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I guess its time for an A-team Slayers player to come out.
Give us Alicia!
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And that's a gg, series goes 4-2, still in favor of SlayerS. I wonder if they will take the next game seriously or just keep messing around
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This brings a grin to my face. Go Uhen! I don't even know who you are!
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On December 02 2011 11:37 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:31 Bagration wrote:
Recently people talking about foreigners winning (IPL 3, IEM, MLG Orlando) but after seeing Team Arena I realize how big the gap still is. Slayers Golden and Lots are just B-teamers, yet they have been able to trounce several major foreign teams and big name foreigners. Maybe the top 1% of foreigners can hold against Korea, but the results from Team Arena continue to show that there exists a huge gap
People only see the top Koreans in Code S and how they are better than foreigners. But it is often not realized that Korea has not only quality but quantity. Those Code B players can take on any foreigner and could take a win off almost all code A/S players. And the latest all-kills were still not such a big samplesize. Players like Stephano or Nerchio should be able to take a win off most koreans.
Well, Stephano and Nerchio both played and lost in regards to your comment about small sample size (remember, there aren't that many pros out there). But I agree with you that they can take games off Koreans, even from the best Koreans. The problem with saying the top foreigners is on par with the top Koreans is that are definitely foreigners that can take out Koreans at the top, but still suffer odd defeats to B-teamers or mediocre Korean players in non-Bo1s...
Part of the reason is as you said, Korea just has so many hidden gosus; but it also speaks volumes about succeeding in Korea as a Korean rather than just going into Korea as a foreign player with a team already, recognition from fans who know about you, and an MLG seed.
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Who???? never heard of him :O
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 Uhen is their ace I guess,... hope he can turn the whole thing around. He's the third best zerg in China after XiGua and F91,
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TyLoo is going down with honor! But I don't think they will take the epic comeback reverse all kill.
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Tyloo have already done better than Acer, Alternate and Millennium. Baller.
SocceR next!
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Nice, Uhen. Bringing it to a 4-2!
Let's see how Soccer looks now.
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On December 02 2011 11:51 HuKPOWA wrote:
Who???? never heard of him :O
SlayerSVen aka WeMadeFoxSoccer.
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On December 02 2011 11:50 McFeser wrote:
This brings a grin to my face. Go Uhen! I don't even know who you are! I'm so happy I can read mandarin / follow the Chinese SC2 scene
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On December 02 2011 11:51 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Uhen is their ace I guess,... hope he can turn the whole thing around. He's the third best zerg in China after XiGua and F91,
He was their ace player, but you can't take much from these games.
One ZvZ which didn't last long and Dragon is like a C-Teamer. He tried to compete in some european cups and wasn't very succesful there. He got hyped up by his stream (which is really hilarious to watch).
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tyloo win win
you heard it here first.
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On December 02 2011 11:53 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:50 McFeser wrote:
This brings a grin to my face. Go Uhen! I don't even know who you are! I'm so happy I can read mandarin / follow the Chinese SC2 scene
Do you know of any other Chinese eSports site other than Tatazu? I used to go there for news, but my computer had a meltdown from a virus I got from the site, so I've been looking for another news site.
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On December 02 2011 11:53 tomwizz wrote:
tyloo win win
you heard it here first.
Actually you're like the millionth person to say it, after the chat erupted with that nonsense.
You realize SlayerS isn't fielding their top players, right?
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How funny would it be if Uhen somehow manages to reverse all-kill Slayers (I realize the probability of this is less than 1%)? That would instantly put him into the foreign spotlight.
Let's see how Slayers Ven does
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Uhen reverse AK would be pretty funny
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On December 02 2011 11:55 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:53 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 02 2011 11:50 McFeser wrote:
This brings a grin to my face. Go Uhen! I don't even know who you are! I'm so happy I can read mandarin / follow the Chinese SC2 scene Do you know of any other Chinese eSports site other than Tatazu? I used to go there for news, but my computer had a meltdown from a virus I got from the site, so I've been looking for another news site.
As for SC2 news, 163 is the best: http://s.163.com/
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SlayerS could always bust out MMA and put a stop to Uhen.
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On December 02 2011 11:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:53 tomwizz wrote:
tyloo win win
you heard it here first. Actually you're like the millionth person to say it, after the chat erupted with that nonsense. You realize SlayerS isn't fielding their top players, right?
Well not all the teams are fielding their best/worst players, so i guess winning and losing has no signifance at all?
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Gee, another all in by this guy :-/
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On December 02 2011 12:00 Pajegetc wrote:
Gee, another all in by this guy :-/
Ven played too greedy -.-
srs 2 cannon zealot + 2 sentry?
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On December 02 2011 12:00 Pajegetc wrote:
Gee, another all in by this guy :-/
Oh come on, Soccer and Dragon were playing dumb. You'd all end them too if you were the last hope for your team.
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wow.....reverse all kill? if slayers keeps throwing out b teamers :\
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Super greedy build by Ven on Xel Naga...Uhen did exactly what he had to do.
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Lord_J
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Damn, nice play by Uhen.
Despite the fact that Slayers is sending out B-teams, consider this fact:
No one has beaten more than two Slayers players in a row prior to this.
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Ahh, mmm, wtf... first time I've seen some team take 3 games off SlayerS...
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United States15275 Posts
Early bane aggression, roach/ling all-in, roach/ling all-in.
Not impressed. But he's doing what he needs to do.
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Oh wow slayers hasn't won did a test and see its getting close. Interesting
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What is SlayerS doing? I know they are letting some of the lesser played players play (that was confusing), but they need to be careful, because if this ties up they can lose to som dumb cheese
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Hm, allin vs Golden, roach-ling all in vs Dragon, roach-ling all in vs Ven. Also, in response to Cella on Crank - Crank is really, really fucking good. SlayerS_Min showed him playing 1st person (vs SlayerS_Lots). I can believe someone of his caliber becoming Code S for sure.
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United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On December 02 2011 12:02 ig0tfish wrote:
Super greedy build by Ven on Xel Naga...Uhen did exactly what he had to do. Finally some sense in an LR thread.
THere's a reason JulyZerg is awesome: He doesn't take rubbish from greedy players. He will just bumrush you if you try to be greedy.
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On December 02 2011 11:59 iSometric wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 11:53 tomwizz wrote:
tyloo win win
you heard it here first. Actually you're like the millionth person to say it, after the chat erupted with that nonsense. You realize SlayerS isn't fielding their top players, right? Well not all the teams are fielding their best/worst players, so i guess winning and losing has no signifance at all?
Relative to SlayerS I think he means. Most other teams don't have such a deep roster and they at least play most of their best players even if they don't play all their players. SlayerS often plays guys who've never appeared at tournaments.
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Reminds me of IPL in which Ryung, Boxer, and MMA all were beaten by the exact same strat/build from Lucky.
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Not much else for Z to do on the map, can't believe how greedy Ven was.
Hopefully we see some cool stuff next.
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On December 02 2011 12:03 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Reminds me of IPL in which Ryung, Boxer, and MMA all were beaten by the exact same strat/build from Lucky.
To be fair, Lucky is really good but ironically has had bad luck. He'll make his way to Code S eventually.
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Tyloo performing better than a good chunk of all the other foreigner teams. 4-3 is pretty good, man.
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On December 02 2011 12:03 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Reminds me of IPL in which Ryung, Boxer, and MMA all were beaten by the exact same strat/build from Lucky.
Slayers Terrans pioneered greedy hellion expands.
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I don't think tyloo has a chance in hell of winning this if slayers sends out their strongest players, but outcome not withstanding, it's pretty clear the chinese players are a LOT better than when we saw them play at IEM guangzhou. The first few players they put out were playing really well, despite losing.
The chinese are coming!
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Excited to see Crank. Cella's hyping him, and he's been pretty impressive what little I've seen (took out Stephano).
I figure Slayers will go Crank and then a really good Terran (Ganzi, Taeja or even MMA) if he goes down.
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On December 02 2011 12:01 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:00 Pajegetc wrote:
Gee, another all in by this guy :-/ Ven played too greedy -.- srs 2 cannon zealot + 2 sentry?
True, but still unimpressive play by this guy. Crank should beat him, he crushed Stephano, when he played MIlliunium.
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I would love to see it go to 4-4 and then BoxeR is like "alright, you've had your fun" and sends out MMA
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Soccer looks terrible every time i see him.
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On December 02 2011 11:59 iSometric wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 11:53 tomwizz wrote:
tyloo win win
you heard it here first. Actually you're like the millionth person to say it, after the chat erupted with that nonsense. You realize SlayerS isn't fielding their top players, right? Well not all the teams are fielding their best/worst players, so i guess winning and losing has no signifance at all?
What are you talking about? Only one team has been having sick win streaks and winning decisively with lower tier players in their roster. And that's SlayerS.
That being said, props to Uhen for exploiting the weaknesses of his opponents and stretching out this series. Fourth SlayerS player coming out and still not a top tier player, although Crank is a bit better than the first three imo.
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On December 02 2011 12:03 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:02 ig0tfish wrote:
Super greedy build by Ven on Xel Naga...Uhen did exactly what he had to do. Finally some sense in an LR thread. THere's a reason JulyZerg is awesome: He doesn't take rubbish from greedy players. He will just bumrush you if you try to be greedy.
Yeah, seriously nothing wrong with that. I was about to say the exact same thing. If Uhen can takes this too an ace game I think we can call him the winner regardless if SlayerS ultimately comes out ahead.
Edit: is it just me or is SlayerSCrank the best name ever?
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Don't play greedy Crank...
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-.- it was Crank who AK'd Mill right
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Please build some fucking units Crank. Goddamn it.
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seems like getting a stargate would be wise vs this guy lol...
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On December 02 2011 12:07 CeriseCherries wrote:
-.- it was Crank who AK'd Mill right
No Crank sniped Stephano, but lost to Adel
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Seriously? Are the SlayerS coaches on holiday or something?
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wow are u serious...+1 no scouting probe...
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slayer players are so dumb at times
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United States97276 Posts
roach ling all in > Slayers
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Uhen going 4-0 vs Slayers. Congratulations!
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This is the most hilarious game series ever. Rofl.
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Holy crap, we are going to an ace match!
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Seriously. I'm a bit dissapointed in either Slayer's confusion or their general intelligence. This happened at IPL too, they all went for the same build against the same guy and they all lost.
Are they even watching their teammates? seriously...
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More all ins please, I don't like watching competitive games.
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lololol
put in a good player SlayerS
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lol, people will read wayy too much into this
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Ok, so SlayerS just needs to send out a player that can counter roaches
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Well I guess if you're a terrible chinese team that can't beat slayers, you might as well just throw out your cheeser.
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if tyloo actually beats slayers, i will eat my pants
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United States97276 Posts
what.... alicia.... he's going to die to the same thing
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I guess these players didn't watch MLG Providence at all.
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United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
Welcome to the middle kingdom land of EEHAN timings :D
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is this the finals at MLG????
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Why do slayers keep sending protoss???
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Might as well send MMA to mop it up.
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alicia just dont ffe lmao
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Heh
Pro SC2 players have absolutely no idea how to play the game yet.. it makes me go lol...
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Alicia better win this game, or I will have no clue what happened
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Alicia? Um.
I like Alicia, but his PvZ isn't that great. TT
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How does a team lose to a roach ling all in by the same player 4 times in a row?
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On December 02 2011 12:10 Horse...falcon wrote:
Seriously? Are the SlayerS coaches on holiday or something?
They're playing their B team on purpose, they'll just send out MMA or Ryung or Puzzle if they really need to win. Don't worry.
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If Alicia Forge FEs, I'm calling game right there.
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Why Alicia? The Chinese have a MILLION protoss, everyone on Tyloo has good vP.
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Really... what the f*ck! Reverse all-kill...
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ugh seriously?
SlayerS_Alicia is the ace they send? That only goes to show how little they care about IPL Team Arena.
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If SlayerS loses this Cella better cough up the 500 dollars himself.
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roach all in with speed ling is like the killer of all slayer players
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Calling it, Alicia gonna play a greedy forge FE and die to roach-ling all-in.
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If Alicia forge FEs im gonna kill something
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On December 02 2011 12:12 Olinimm wrote:
How does a team lose to a roach ling all in by the same player 4 times in a row?
HEY. 3 games in a row. Get it right.
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Somebody wake up Cella and have him slap Crank for that stupid build.
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Poll: Will Uhen roach ling all in Alicia?Yes (26) 84% No (5) 16% 31 total votes Your vote: Will Uhen roach ling all in Alicia? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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Alicia is a bad choice. I dont think they should go with a Protoss but a Terran instead. Should bring out Teaja, MMA, or Ryung imo.
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On December 02 2011 12:12 Olinimm wrote:
How does a team lose to a roach ling all in by the same player 4 times in a row?
Because they obviously thought they could get away with greedy play...
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finally someone who punishes FFE tosses!
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Alicia? You have tonnes of Terrans, start using them.
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I apologize to IPL for doubting their choice. Uhen has impressed.
Surprised we haven't seen more of Slayers good players. tbh slayers could have ended this way earlier if they wanted to.
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Just play a more aggressive opening. Not that hard to do.
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On December 02 2011 12:12 1Eris1 wrote:
Seriously. I'm a bit dissapointed in either Slayer's confusion or their general intelligence. This happened at IPL too, they all went for the same build against the same guy and they all lost.
Are they even watching their teammates? seriously... I thought they would be quite solid P v Z wise, with Coca/Min on their team hmmmm... yea totally agree with you
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Does no one on SlayerS watch the previous games in this series? Just survive for 10 minutes and you win the game...
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On December 02 2011 12:13 lee365 wrote:
If Alicia forge FEs im gonna kill something
FFE is not the problem.
Scouting, being prepared and defending is.
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On December 02 2011 11:58 swordboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 11:55 babylon wrote:On December 02 2011 11:53 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 02 2011 11:50 McFeser wrote:
This brings a grin to my face. Go Uhen! I don't even know who you are! I'm so happy I can read mandarin / follow the Chinese SC2 scene Do you know of any other Chinese eSports site other than Tatazu? I used to go there for news, but my computer had a meltdown from a virus I got from the site, so I've been looking for another news site. As for SC2 news, 163 is the best: http://s.163.com/
Do you know a good site for replays of Chinese players? I used to have a one saved back in the day to get my hands on some xiaOt replays but I can't find it anymore. SC2Rep.com is ok but it doesn't seem like there are a lot of replays of chinese players on that site.
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I hope Alicia does the same thing and dies to another roach/ling all-in for maximum lulz.
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On December 02 2011 12:13 StarVe wrote:
Calling it, Alicia gonna play a greedy forge FE and die to roach-ling all-in.
He probably won't even bother building a forge.
My guess is naked triple fast expand, because why not? Opponent probably won't pressure him early on.
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Alicia's kind of a weird pick. Would have thought an A team terran would have been a better choice.
Alicia PvZ? I'm thinking it'll be Crevasse 7-8 gate, possibly with Void rays from Alicia.
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On December 02 2011 12:14 babylon wrote:
I hope Alicia does the same thing and dies to another roach/ling all-in for maximum lulz.
I would laugh my ass off. I'm hoping it happens
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all-in to the next level
6 pool + pull all drones
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Jesus, this roach ling all in is like the kryptonite for Slayers. And I blame FXO Lucky for all this.
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On December 02 2011 12:14 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:12 1Eris1 wrote:
Seriously. I'm a bit dissapointed in either Slayer's confusion or their general intelligence. This happened at IPL too, they all went for the same build against the same guy and they all lost.
Are they even watching their teammates? seriously... I thought they would be quite solid P v Z wise, with Coca/Min on their team hmmmm... yea totally agree with you
Min was never amazing at PvZ, and Coca learned his trade completely apart from Slayers. PvZ, TvP, and early-game TvZ have always been Slayers' weaknesses.
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On December 02 2011 12:13 Surriel wrote:
Alicia is a bad choice. I dont think they should go with a Protoss but a Terran instead. Should bring out Teaja, MMA, or Ryung imo.
Indeed. If they brought out a Terran who didn't go mech as the second pick, the series would be over.
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you can try replays.net and select their sc2 section for replays (its all in chinese tho, hope u read)
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Reverse all kill, you can do it!
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I swear that if Alicia does the same stupid build to the same stupid allin im going to cry and laugh my ass off at the same time
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wait is this crevasse? I havent seen this map in months it feels like
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On December 02 2011 12:14 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Uhen needs a fan club.
Why? He's all-inned every game so far. Not a single game so far has been served as a great indicator of anyone's skill.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
I thought they would bring a code s terran to be sure to get the 500$
Taking lot of risk
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On December 02 2011 12:18 woobsauce wrote:Why? He's all-inned every game so far. Not a single game so far has been served as a great indicator of anyone's skill.
Hey you. Stop calling me out.
And give us the TAEJA INTERVIEW YOU PROMISED.
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On December 02 2011 12:19 SoulHarvester wrote:
And FFE again lol
FFE is not the problem. It's the 1 zealot+1 sentry into X that they do afterwords.
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uhen for cheesiest player of all time?
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This is the most facepalm series I've ever seen
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Is the stream getting some lag for anyone else? or is this on my end
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You'd think SlayerS would be more careful with their fast expands lol.
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I went to dinner when Golden was 1 kill away from taking the series, and now it's 4-4. I blame food for this tragedy.
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dumbbbbbb series if uhen wins
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Looks like Alicia is going to roll over and die.
EDIT: But he makes a great hold.
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tension rising....will it work?
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On December 02 2011 12:20 Olinimm wrote:uhen for cheesiest player of all time?
How quickly we forget about bitbybitprime
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On December 02 2011 12:20 Olinimm wrote:uhen for cheesiest player of all time?
Pretty much
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if you win 4 games with cheese, go for it again -.-
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One baneling away from cracking that forge! O_O
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On December 02 2011 12:21 CeriseCherries wrote:
if you win 4 games with cheese, go for it again -.-
Punishing greedy builds is "cheese" all of a sudden?
Oh SC2 community how you sadden me.
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Slayers brainfarted 5times
but Alicia at least reacted properly after
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On December 02 2011 12:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:20 Olinimm wrote:uhen for cheesiest player of all time? How quickly we forget about bitbybitprime
Ever forgive, never forget, the SCV train
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Wow. This Uhen guy is going to get bitten in the ass by karma at some point.
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PRetty good crisis management from Alicia - handled it well after the initial facepalm
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On December 02 2011 12:22 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:21 CeriseCherries wrote:
if you win 4 games with cheese, go for it again -.- Punishing greedy builds is "cheese" all of a sudden? Oh SC2 community how you sadden me.
Nexus first on crevasse isn't really that greedy. I bet he was going to cheese no matter what.
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Slayer's meta-strategy:
"Trick Uhen into thinking that we don't know how to FFE safely, then uppercut with Alicia in ace game."
Genius.
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Lol cheesiest player award. Cmon Alicia, beat his ass
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On December 02 2011 12:19 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:18 woobsauce wrote:On December 02 2011 12:14 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Uhen needs a fan club. Why? He's all-inned every game so far. Not a single game so far has been served as a great indicator of anyone's skill. Hey you. Stop calling me out. And give us the TAEJA INTERVIEW YOU PROMISED.
I need to talk to Diamond about getting permission from Cella. I promise to deliver good sir!
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nydus, he still had that drone lmao
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On December 02 2011 12:22 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:21 CeriseCherries wrote:
if you win 4 games with cheese, go for it again -.- Punishing greedy builds is "cheese" all of a sudden? Oh SC2 community how you sadden me.
oh how you are so wrongly saddened.. it doesn't matter if its punishing an early build or not... its cheese either way -_- like a ham-egg-cheese bagel doesn't stop being ham-egg-cheese bagel when it is eaten when hungry
I didn't criticize it did I? what i was saying was that he's perfectly reasoned to do it again...
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I must say I miss this map. =]
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He could just nydus to the front and funnel hydras in
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On December 02 2011 12:23 woobsauce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:19 SarcasmMonster wrote:On December 02 2011 12:18 woobsauce wrote:On December 02 2011 12:14 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Uhen needs a fan club. Why? He's all-inned every game so far. Not a single game so far has been served as a great indicator of anyone's skill. Hey you. Stop calling me out. And give us the TAEJA INTERVIEW YOU PROMISED. I need to talk to Diamond about getting permission from Cella. I promise to deliver good sir!
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GG Uhen dead, baneling all-in failed this time round
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contrary to popular belief, a nydus cannot eat zealots
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He should have stuck with roach ling all in
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thats gg..not a macro player it seems :\
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Entertaining series, even if most of the individual games weren't very good.
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GG! SlayerS taking it seriously and winning 5-4
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Good mechanics are pretty good.
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Lol .. talk about a one trick pony. At least be able to recover and go into a macro game
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Cheeser can't win in a real game. Not Surprising.
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That took longer than it should have.
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Well it doesnt work if you do it 4 times in a row~
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Invite a korean team next plz :DD
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Uhen a one trick pony? :/
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They should've done it proleague style. Reward the deeper teams.
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On November 30 2011 13:44 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:31 red4ce wrote:
Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now? The ignorance in this thread is getting pretty ridiculous. Chinese players have always been ridiculously talented and there are several documented cases of Chinese players competing with highest level of Korean's during BW. When this series turns out to be a lot close than everybody thinks, I'm going to quote this post =).
Just for the douches saying stuff like Eve could 5-0 Tyloo.
Interesting series though -.-. Slayers man, they suck vs roach rushes
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Switzerland2892 Posts
Was scared for slayers, happy they won but happy that it showed that some chinese players can compete with good players (but waiting for macro games now )
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Damn, that was way too close for Slayers.
Good job Uhen, you may have done that damned roach-ling build way too much, but you represented China well and put Slayers to the brink.
Go Slayers
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On December 02 2011 12:27 bkrow wrote:Lol .. talk about a one trick pony. At least be able to recover and go into a macro game
QFT
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Much closer than I thought it would be, Congrats to Slayers.
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And then a real SlayerS player appeared, and all was well.
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Thank god SlayerS held on x.x Jesus christ.
Uhen gets away with four five-minute all-ins that only work because the SlayerS players make zero defense... and the last game proves that Uhen has no macro and can't play a long game at all.
Uhen didn't outplay the SlayerS team... SlayerS threw away four straight games (and almost a fifth).
Maybe SlayerS will realize now that they can't play half-asleep, or they might lose to teams that they should sweep. Should have been 5-1.
Hopefully next time, China can bring better matches to the table.
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On December 02 2011 11:53 tomwizz wrote:
tyloo win win
you heard it here first.
and you will never here it again
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Lots of Uhen hate here. At least he made it nail-biting :p
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Slayers just used this as an opportunity to give their mega low-tier players a chance to play on a televised match. Then once it was tied up, they ended it.
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On December 02 2011 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Thank god SlayerS held on x.x Jesus christ.
Uhen gets away with four five-minute all-ins that only work because the SlayerS players make zero defense... and the last game proves that Uhen has no macro and can't play a long game at all.
Uhen didn't outplay the SlayerS team... SlayerS threw away four straight games (and almost a fifth).
Maybe SlayerS will realize now that they can't play half-asleep, or they might lose to teams that they should sweep. Should have been 5-1.
I think the only thing the last game proved that Uhen could have taken down the forge if he'd made one more baneling, and was behind economically after failing his all-in (remember, failing an all-in by definition means you lose. If you can recover from it, it's not "all-in").
Give him crap for using cheesy builds 5 games in a row, but don't take his macro AFTER an all-in as an example of high-level play. Going nydus was the only way he could have put his high-army/low-econ opener to use after he failed the bust.
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Who's Uhen and how did he almost reverse all-kill SlayerS? :O
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On December 02 2011 12:32 Typhon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Thank god SlayerS held on x.x Jesus christ.
Uhen gets away with four five-minute all-ins that only work because the SlayerS players make zero defense... and the last game proves that Uhen has no macro and can't play a long game at all.
Uhen didn't outplay the SlayerS team... SlayerS threw away four straight games (and almost a fifth).
Maybe SlayerS will realize now that they can't play half-asleep, or they might lose to teams that they should sweep. Should have been 5-1. I think the only thing the last game proved that Uhen could have taken down the forge if he'd made one more baneling, and was behind economically after failing his all-in (remember, failing an all-in by definition means you lose. If you can recover from it, it's not "all-in"). Give him crap for using cheesy builds 5 games in a row, but don't take his macro AFTER an all-in as an example of high-level play. Going nydus was the only way he could have put his high-army/low-econ opener to use after he failed the bust.
His macro was terrible regardless of his all-in. He was floating plenty of minerals regularly and was repeatedly supply blocked even when phoenixes weren't killing his overlords. I understand that he was behind because his all-in failed, but his macro was sub-par.
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On December 02 2011 12:23 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:22 Tektos wrote:On December 02 2011 12:21 CeriseCherries wrote:
if you win 4 games with cheese, go for it again -.- Punishing greedy builds is "cheese" all of a sudden? Oh SC2 community how you sadden me. Nexus first on crevasse isn't really that greedy. I bet he was going to cheese no matter what.
Nexus first... not greedy....
wat
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On December 02 2011 12:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:32 Typhon wrote:On December 02 2011 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Thank god SlayerS held on x.x Jesus christ.
Uhen gets away with four five-minute all-ins that only work because the SlayerS players make zero defense... and the last game proves that Uhen has no macro and can't play a long game at all.
Uhen didn't outplay the SlayerS team... SlayerS threw away four straight games (and almost a fifth).
Maybe SlayerS will realize now that they can't play half-asleep, or they might lose to teams that they should sweep. Should have been 5-1. I think the only thing the last game proved that Uhen could have taken down the forge if he'd made one more baneling, and was behind economically after failing his all-in (remember, failing an all-in by definition means you lose. If you can recover from it, it's not "all-in"). Give him crap for using cheesy builds 5 games in a row, but don't take his macro AFTER an all-in as an example of high-level play. Going nydus was the only way he could have put his high-army/low-econ opener to use after he failed the bust. His macro was terrible regardless of his all-in. He was floating plenty of minerals regularly and was repeatedly supply blocked even when phoenixes weren't killing his overlords. I understand that he was behind because his all-in failed, but his macro was sub-par.
question is, if this guy was any good at macro games, would he really all in 5 games in a row? the answer is no.
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On December 02 2011 12:38 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 12:32 Typhon wrote:On December 02 2011 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Thank god SlayerS held on x.x Jesus christ.
Uhen gets away with four five-minute all-ins that only work because the SlayerS players make zero defense... and the last game proves that Uhen has no macro and can't play a long game at all.
Uhen didn't outplay the SlayerS team... SlayerS threw away four straight games (and almost a fifth).
Maybe SlayerS will realize now that they can't play half-asleep, or they might lose to teams that they should sweep. Should have been 5-1. I think the only thing the last game proved that Uhen could have taken down the forge if he'd made one more baneling, and was behind economically after failing his all-in (remember, failing an all-in by definition means you lose. If you can recover from it, it's not "all-in"). Give him crap for using cheesy builds 5 games in a row, but don't take his macro AFTER an all-in as an example of high-level play. Going nydus was the only way he could have put his high-army/low-econ opener to use after he failed the bust. His macro was terrible regardless of his all-in. He was floating plenty of minerals regularly and was repeatedly supply blocked even when phoenixes weren't killing his overlords. I understand that he was behind because his all-in failed, but his macro was sub-par. question is, if this guy was any good at macro games, would he really all in 5 games in a row? the answer is no.
This is dumb post. There is no point risking a 30 minute macro game if you can get an easy win right then and there, no matter the level of your macro.
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On December 02 2011 12:38 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 12:32 Typhon wrote:On December 02 2011 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Thank god SlayerS held on x.x Jesus christ.
Uhen gets away with four five-minute all-ins that only work because the SlayerS players make zero defense... and the last game proves that Uhen has no macro and can't play a long game at all.
Uhen didn't outplay the SlayerS team... SlayerS threw away four straight games (and almost a fifth).
Maybe SlayerS will realize now that they can't play half-asleep, or they might lose to teams that they should sweep. Should have been 5-1. I think the only thing the last game proved that Uhen could have taken down the forge if he'd made one more baneling, and was behind economically after failing his all-in (remember, failing an all-in by definition means you lose. If you can recover from it, it's not "all-in"). Give him crap for using cheesy builds 5 games in a row, but don't take his macro AFTER an all-in as an example of high-level play. Going nydus was the only way he could have put his high-army/low-econ opener to use after he failed the bust. His macro was terrible regardless of his all-in. He was floating plenty of minerals regularly and was repeatedly supply blocked even when phoenixes weren't killing his overlords. I understand that he was behind because his all-in failed, but his macro was sub-par. question is, if this guy was any good at macro games, would he really all in 5 games in a row? the answer is no.
Play to win.
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On December 02 2011 12:36 Stanlot wrote:
Who's Uhen and how did he almost reverse all-kill SlayerS? :O
He all-inned the SlayerS players five times in a row and the Slayers players never made any defense (except in the last game, where Alicia baaaarely held it). Slayers threw away four straight games. Each game was like five minutes long. Turns out that Uhen just did standard roach-ling or bling-sling all-ins that any Zerg player could do, but when Alicia held it, Uhen fell apart and was incapable of playing a macro game.
We didn't see any impressive play from Uhen, just quick wins. The best game by far was Golden's ZvZ in game three (infestor elimination), although I think his second game (the air ZvP) was great too. Golden got a 4-kill as well, and they were all pretty good games. Golden actually played really well. Definitely the most impressive player of the series. Certainly the least sloppy.
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Regardless of whether or not you felt that Uhen was just a cheesy player or that Slayers took needless risks letting it go to an ace match, you have to admit this Team Arena was a nail-biter, and quite frankly, we have not had such an interesting Team Arena in months. Congrats to both Slayers and Tyloo
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On December 02 2011 12:12 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:10 Horse...falcon wrote:
Seriously? Are the SlayerS coaches on holiday or something? They're playing their B team on purpose, they'll just send out MMA or Ryung or Puzzle if they really need to win. Don't worry.
Guess it was Alicia. GGs.
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On December 02 2011 12:28 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:44 1Eris1 wrote:On November 30 2011 13:31 red4ce wrote:
Lol a Chinese team? I bet Cella could all kill them. Anyone know if Infi is full time SC2 now? The ignorance in this thread is getting pretty ridiculous. Chinese players have always been ridiculously talented and there are several documented cases of Chinese players competing with highest level of Korean's during BW. When this series turns out to be a lot close than everybody thinks, I'm going to quote this post =). Just for the douches saying stuff like Eve could 5-0 Tyloo. Interesting series though -.-. Slayers man, they suck vs roach rushes
LOOOLs. You'd think they learn after Lucky vs. MMA.
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SlayerS still refuses to take team arena seriously and doesn't send out any one of their star players everyone wants to see... Where's the fan service?
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On December 02 2011 12:51 bokchoi wrote:SlayerS still refuses to take team arena seriously and doesn't send out any one of their star players everyone wants to see... Where's the fan service?
Well, sending out Dragon was kind of fan service, since he probably would not have gotten any exposure any other way. Also, it was a very interesting series overall with an ace match (which has not happened in months).
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TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance.
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On December 02 2011 12:51 bokchoi wrote:SlayerS still refuses to take team arena seriously and doesn't send out any one of their star players everyone wants to see... Where's the fan service?
We can watch the star players when they play more important matches. This is a good chance to showcase their lesser known players.
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On December 02 2011 12:54 mutton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:51 bokchoi wrote:SlayerS still refuses to take team arena seriously and doesn't send out any one of their star players everyone wants to see... Where's the fan service? We can watch the star players when they play more important matches. This is a good chance to showcase their lesser known players.
It's $500 every week if Slayers plays to win.
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Lol I stopped watching when It was 4-0 :0
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On December 02 2011 12:51 bokchoi wrote:SlayerS still refuses to take team arena seriously and doesn't send out any one of their star players everyone wants to see... Where's the fan service?
why should they if they dont need to...
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On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote:
TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance.
Perhaps you didn't watch the matches, or are you being hyperbolic? The scores alone are not what functions to indicate someone as "cheesy" or "bonjwa" material. I don't disagree that TL bias isn't irritating, but, frankly, Uhen's playstyle was very desperate, and his mechanics were hardly tested by the strategies he picked. The sample size is too low to call him a cheeser (especially given that he was in an emergency situation to win money for his team), but it is true he went for 5 all ins in a row in order to just end things quickly one way or the other. Frankly, I'd have to see more from Uhen to be impressed at all. None of the games I saw were really an indicator of skill, just build order brute force.
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On December 02 2011 12:38 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:23 Olinimm wrote:On December 02 2011 12:22 Tektos wrote:On December 02 2011 12:21 CeriseCherries wrote:
if you win 4 games with cheese, go for it again -.- Punishing greedy builds is "cheese" all of a sudden? Oh SC2 community how you sadden me. Nexus first on crevasse isn't really that greedy. I bet he was going to cheese no matter what. Nexus first... not greedy.... wat
I agree with the gent you quoted above - Nexus first on Crevasse is actually quite standard given the size of the map, and the narrow choke at the front. The metagame around Crevasse is a bit like Calm Before the Storm. Honestly, Uhen would've been better served going to macro with those spawns rather than another all in. Perhaps if it had been close by ground spawns than we might've seen the decision making thereof to just go for it, but given long distance spawns I'm inclined to think that the posters above are correct in saying that he intended to do so from the beginning.
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On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote:
TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance.
Did you watch the games? Watch the games, then comment. Slayers also made a conscious decision to let the series potentially go 5-4 by letting all of their "no-name" players participate, only sending out a semi-A-team player in the 5th game. One of their "no-name" players managed to take out 4 players before getting cheesed.
The 4 games that Uhen cheesed were not games that people could get a good idea of who Uhen is. He didn't show us the depth to his play. Him choosing to do so 5 games in a row makes people wonder. Its not an unfair question to ask if he is or is not a good player.
Its extremely common for teams to send out their B-team players in a match they aren't worried about. It helps give lower-tier players a chance to play in high-stress situations, in hopes of it preparing them for the time when they might be on stage later on. It helps nerves and is good mental conditioning. This map score doesn't tell the story. Do you think Slayers would go 5-4 if they sent out good players? MMA could have 5-0'd this match in an hour.
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slayers: all our low tier players are defeated time to send out a mediocre one to finish the job.
but honestly theres no reason to bash a player because of cheese or allins. i would like to see you execute those cheese and all in and win.
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All this talk is taking away from how well Golden played. The guy is really showcasing his skills in the team arena and I've really become a fan of his style. IMO he was by far the most impressive player in this series.
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Great Games tho! <3 Sad we couldn't see Uhen actually macro! :\ even one macro game from him would have sufficed but...all cheese and all ins (((
Hopefully next Team Arena more macro games!!!! love me some macro!~!!!!
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On December 02 2011 12:38 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 02 2011 12:32 Typhon wrote:On December 02 2011 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Thank god SlayerS held on x.x Jesus christ.
Uhen gets away with four five-minute all-ins that only work because the SlayerS players make zero defense... and the last game proves that Uhen has no macro and can't play a long game at all.
Uhen didn't outplay the SlayerS team... SlayerS threw away four straight games (and almost a fifth).
Maybe SlayerS will realize now that they can't play half-asleep, or they might lose to teams that they should sweep. Should have been 5-1. I think the only thing the last game proved that Uhen could have taken down the forge if he'd made one more baneling, and was behind economically after failing his all-in (remember, failing an all-in by definition means you lose. If you can recover from it, it's not "all-in"). Give him crap for using cheesy builds 5 games in a row, but don't take his macro AFTER an all-in as an example of high-level play. Going nydus was the only way he could have put his high-army/low-econ opener to use after he failed the bust. His macro was terrible regardless of his all-in. He was floating plenty of minerals regularly and was repeatedly supply blocked even when phoenixes weren't killing his overlords. I understand that he was behind because his all-in failed, but his macro was sub-par. question is, if this guy was any good at macro games, would he really all in 5 games in a row? the answer is no.
What a stupid suggestion/ shallow insight. He does what he needs to win. Even if he is good at macro, he sees a quick win, anyone will do it.
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A win is a win, but a one trick pony is a one trick pony. That's all there is to it.
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Problem is, leenock basically all in'd his games in MLG finals to naniwa..and he won....but Leenock is being idolized b/c he showed his macro in GSL....We just need to see these Chinese players somewhere other than china :O
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Whether Uhen is good or not, it certainly was entertaining to read through the comments , and an ace match involving slayers, we need more of these.
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This is an awful game lol :|
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Slayers is really making a hell of a lot of money from all this, lucky bastards
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On November 30 2011 07:59 Ruscour wrote:
GET iG IN! THE SICKEST CHINESE TEAM.
Can't believe there's so many people who don't know who TyLoo is :S seriously?
Uhen can beat anyone on that team imo
called it! missed the games but Uhen is awesome
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On December 02 2011 13:52 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:59 Ruscour wrote:
GET iG IN! THE SICKEST CHINESE TEAM.
Can't believe there's so many people who don't know who TyLoo is :S seriously?
Uhen can beat anyone on that team imo called it! missed the games but Uhen is awesome
iG or PanDa, IMO. PanDa might have a bit of an edge since they have Lyn.
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On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote:
TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance.
Nope. If Stephano did it I'd call him a cheeser too. Cheese is cheese no matter which way you slice it.
Edit: At the end of the day Uhen did what he had to do to try to win the series for his team. I can respect that; but it doesn't mean I have to be a fan of his play.
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I don't think it's fair to make assumptions based on a single series with any player.
Here's the thing about Leenock: we have lots of information and insight into his abilities as a macro player. Despite the fact that he aimed for a much more aggressive, short-term style against Naniwa to take the win at Providence, we also have plenty of evidence displaying his indomitable long-term play.
What's clear with Leenock isn't quite the case with Uhen. I think the primary reason for this is that many folks simply don't have much insight into the Chinese SC2 scene outside of its minimal exposure at Blizzcon, GSL, and IEM Guangzhou. So seeing as this, for many, is the first time Uhen's skills have been displayed, it's pretty easy to make the judgment that he's only a Roach/Ling all-in'er. It's easy to get swept up in with the details in a series that was just played but give it some time. I'm sure we'll see him again.
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Despite the fact that SlayerS sent out their B-teamers (which people are keen to point out), let's also not forget that SlayerS B-teamers are who all-killed some other very strong teams in recent matches. Tyloo in that respect still did surprisingly well. Curious to see how a top-tier Chinese team would perform.
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Chinese players in general are bad at macro. XiaoT is an exception but he quit the scene.
WC 3 = all micro and strategy. They're great at that. But macro mechanics are something specific to BW and very few present day Chinese pros in SC 2 are actually ex-BW players. F91 might be it, and he's in poor form.
The Chinese SC 2 server has barely broken 300,000 accounts and is a year behind everywhere else in terms of game release. SC 2 is basically a flop in China and I don't expect that to change unless Blizzard makes a real effort to understand how the market there works.
For those talking about "the Chinese are coming" - If SC 2 was more popular in China they'd likely be as good as other foreigners. But it's not, so I don't expect them to be.
That said, Uhen cheesed five games in a row probably for the same reason Leenock did - because it works, so why wouldn't he?
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On December 02 2011 13:27 HuKPOWA wrote:
Problem is, leenock basically all in'd his games in MLG finals to naniwa..and he won....but Leenock is being idolized b/c he showed his macro in GSL....We just need to see these Chinese players somewhere other than china :O
Wrong. Naniwa had 1 build and Leenock knew it so he was easily able to dominate the inferior player. Try not to be so biased before making a dumb post. =D
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On December 02 2011 12:51 bokchoi wrote:SlayerS still refuses to take team arena seriously and doesn't send out any one of their star players everyone wants to see... Where's the fan service?
Minor leagues and team leagues are the only place where the team can help their B-teamers practice and experience outside of the team house. It's really important for the eSports scene to have many small leagues where non-superstar progamers can make living. Even if they don't get paid well or win the prize, it gives them the purpose and incentive.
In fact, if they weren't serious they would send out MMA and 5-0 every week with cheesy builds.
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On December 02 2011 14:34 Azarkon wrote:
Chinese players in general are bad at macro. XiaoT is an exception but he quit the scene.
WC 3 = all micro and strategy. They're great at that. But macro mechanics are something specific to BW and very few present day Chinese pros in SC 2 are actually ex-BW players. F91 might be it, and he's in poor form.
The Chinese SC 2 server has barely broken 300,000 accounts and is a year behind everywhere else in terms of game release. SC 2 is basically a flop in China and I don't expect that to change unless Blizzard makes a real effort to understand how the market there works.
For those talking about "the Chinese are coming" - If SC 2 was more popular in China they'd likely be as good as other foreigners. But it's not, so I don't expect them to be.
That said, Uhen cheesed five games in a row probably for the same reason Leenock did - because it works, so why wouldn't he?
To be honest, xiaOt's macro wasn't that great either; he could get away with it being mediocre since he played Protoss and could bank resources for a massive warp-in, but it was really his strategy, crisis-management, decision-making, and knack for good positioning that put him ahead of the curve. Also, his micro was superb. So, all in all, everything that he knew from War3 that he could carry over, he did. He had some tremendously scary blink stalker timings too where he would just chrono out the fastest upgrades you'd ever seen.
Meh, there's macro in War3. It's just not what most people mean when they say "macro." >.<
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Uhen just slapped more than half of the posters here. After all the bashing going on, this guy made the series closer than any other team did, regardless of how he did it.
I hope IGN can consider iG sometime in the future though, I think that's China's powerhouse.
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On December 02 2011 13:09 woobsauce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote:
TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance. Perhaps you didn't watch the matches, or are you being hyperbolic? The scores alone are not what functions to indicate someone as "cheesy" or "bonjwa" material. I don't disagree that TL bias isn't irritating, but, frankly, Uhen's playstyle was very desperate, and his mechanics were hardly tested by the strategies he picked. The sample size is too low to call him a cheeser (especially given that he was in an emergency situation to win money for his team), but it is true he went for 5 all ins in a row in order to just end things quickly one way or the other. Frankly, I'd have to see more from Uhen to be impressed at all. None of the games I saw were really an indicator of skill, just build order brute force.
So what if he did 5 games in a row? He won 4 of them and last I checked SC2 is play to win not play to appeal to viewers
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On December 02 2011 15:11 Slakkoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 13:09 woobsauce wrote:On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote:
TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance. Perhaps you didn't watch the matches, or are you being hyperbolic? The scores alone are not what functions to indicate someone as "cheesy" or "bonjwa" material. I don't disagree that TL bias isn't irritating, but, frankly, Uhen's playstyle was very desperate, and his mechanics were hardly tested by the strategies he picked. The sample size is too low to call him a cheeser (especially given that he was in an emergency situation to win money for his team), but it is true he went for 5 all ins in a row in order to just end things quickly one way or the other. Frankly, I'd have to see more from Uhen to be impressed at all. None of the games I saw were really an indicator of skill, just build order brute force. So what if he did 5 games in a row? He won 4 of them and last I checked SC2 is play to win not play to appeal to viewers
Well doing roach/ling timing attacks and if it fails you lose is definitely a sign of a bad player lol. He did good to beat 4 of slayers players but they played greedy
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On December 02 2011 14:37 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 13:27 HuKPOWA wrote:
Problem is, leenock basically all in'd his games in MLG finals to naniwa..and he won....but Leenock is being idolized b/c he showed his macro in GSL....We just need to see these Chinese players somewhere other than china :O Wrong. Naniwa had 1 build and Leenock knew it so he was easily able to dominate the inferior player. Try not to be so biased before making a dumb post. =D
lol...if it failed...leenock woulda been behind and would have a 99% chance to lose...aka all-in...no way of recovering...with someone with so many posts...u sure don't read the posts u comment on. An all in is an all in no matter what the other person does.
Grats to SlayerS tho, i wanna see a Boxer all kill pls <3 <3 <3
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Too bad infi, didnt play i am curious how he does in sc2
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i didn't watch the whole series, but how can you bash the chinese player for doing what he can do.
only slayers players are at fault here, they could have played better (i.e. more safe)
going for a greedy build which can or almost must be countered by an all-in is as "cheesy" as going for an all-in at the first place.
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WOW i am surprised. i watched golden tear the team apart and stopped when i watched golden start raveging Uhen's base... Uhen played okay in that game... so i thought golden may lose due to the unscouted 3rd but the next player will crush him. This result is quite suprising to me
edit opps... i did not watch Uhen play it was the protoss before him :p
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First time SlayerS ever brought out a big gun with alicia. I would of liked tyloo to win becasuse its getting boring now
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wow, very nice. tyloo doing what the teams before them couldn't manage and push slayer's to an ace-match.
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Wow Uhen almost got a reverse all kill on some pretty solid SlayerS players! D:
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The funny thing is, Slayers sent out Alicia when everything was on the line. How confident you got to be to not send any of your top 5 players in an ace game situation?
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This turned out to be closer than I've thought.
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On December 02 2011 16:23 Geordie wrote:
First time SlayerS ever brought out a big gun with alicia. I would of liked tyloo to win becasuse its getting boring now
They lined code-s players against mouz.
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On November 30 2011 05:54 BankaiPwn wrote:
... Who?
I don't see slayers losing this one.
Wow, talk about close call...
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On December 02 2011 16:14 Hopelessnoob wrote:
WOW i am surprised. i watched golden tear the team apart and stopped when i watched golden start raveging Uhen's base... Uhen played okay in that game... so i thought golden may lose due to the unscouted 3rd but the next player will crush him. This result is quite suprising to me
edit opps... i did not watch Uhen play it was the protoss before him :p
Well he all-ined every game so I don't know how much you can take away from it.
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On December 02 2011 15:22 HuKPOWA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 14:37 Hall0wed wrote:On December 02 2011 13:27 HuKPOWA wrote:
Problem is, leenock basically all in'd his games in MLG finals to naniwa..and he won....but Leenock is being idolized b/c he showed his macro in GSL....We just need to see these Chinese players somewhere other than china :O Wrong. Naniwa had 1 build and Leenock knew it so he was easily able to dominate the inferior player. Try not to be so biased before making a dumb post. =D lol...if it failed...leenock woulda been behind and would have a 99% chance to lose...aka all-in...no way of recovering...with someone with so many posts...u sure don't read the posts u comment on. An all in is an all in no matter what the other person does. Grats to SlayerS tho, i wanna see a Boxer all kill pls <3 <3 <3
You can't compare what Leenock did. He hard countered Naniwas build. Simple as that. It's not like he did it blindly or anything. He knew exactly what was coming and hard countered it.... it's a stretch to compare that type of all in to a blind cheesy all in. You could even argue that Naniwa was being the cheesy one, doing greedy risky builds to get a huge lead early on.
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On December 02 2011 13:16 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote:
TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance. Did you watch the games? Watch the games, then comment. Slayers also made a conscious decision to let the series potentially go 5-4 by letting all of their "no-name" players participate, only sending out a semi-A-team player in the 5th game. One of their "no-name" players managed to take out 4 players before getting cheesed. The 4 games that Uhen cheesed were not games that people could get a good idea of who Uhen is. He didn't show us the depth to his play. Him choosing to do so 5 games in a row makes people wonder. Its not an unfair question to ask if he is or is not a good player. Its extremely common for teams to send out their B-team players in a match they aren't worried about. It helps give lower-tier players a chance to play in high-stress situations, in hopes of it preparing them for the time when they might be on stage later on. It helps nerves and is good mental conditioning. This map score doesn't tell the story. Do you think Slayers would go 5-4 if they sent out good players? MMA could have 5-0'd this match in an hour.
Of course I know SlayerS sent out B-teamers, but that's what they have been doing for months against foreign teams except for maybe mouz. Uhen defeated the "almighty" Golden and took down 4 SlayerS B-teamers in a row, and no foreign team had been able to do that before. Give credit when it's due.
I hate to say something controversial to stir up some shit, but I'm pretty damn sure if a real foreigner (or a westerner) no-namer take down 4 Slayers players in a row, people on TL would spend 5 pages praising his "talents" and "creative strategies" no matter how cheesy the games were. That's how it works. When you have bias against some player, you "analyze" the game and "find" how cheesy he is. When you have bias in favor of some player, you are likely to say he "hard-countered" his opponent's fast expansion. It's really hard to get rid of bias, if possible.
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On December 02 2011 23:20 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 13:16 Mohdoo wrote:On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote:
TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance. Did you watch the games? Watch the games, then comment. Slayers also made a conscious decision to let the series potentially go 5-4 by letting all of their "no-name" players participate, only sending out a semi-A-team player in the 5th game. One of their "no-name" players managed to take out 4 players before getting cheesed. The 4 games that Uhen cheesed were not games that people could get a good idea of who Uhen is. He didn't show us the depth to his play. Him choosing to do so 5 games in a row makes people wonder. Its not an unfair question to ask if he is or is not a good player. Its extremely common for teams to send out their B-team players in a match they aren't worried about. It helps give lower-tier players a chance to play in high-stress situations, in hopes of it preparing them for the time when they might be on stage later on. It helps nerves and is good mental conditioning. This map score doesn't tell the story. Do you think Slayers would go 5-4 if they sent out good players? MMA could have 5-0'd this match in an hour. Of course I know SlayerS sent out B-teamers, but that's what they have been doing for months against foreign teams except for maybe mouz. Uhen defeated the "almighty" Golden and took down 4 SlayerS B-teamers in a row, and no foreign team had been able to do that before. Give credit when it's due. I hate to say something controversial to stir up some shit, but I'm pretty damn sure if a real foreigner (or a westerner) no-namer take down 4 Slayers players in a row, people on TL would spend 5 pages praising his "talents" and "creative strategies" no matter how cheesy the games were. That's how it works. When you have bias against some player, you "analyze" the game and "find" how cheesy he is. When you have bias in favor of some player, you are likely to say he "hard-countered" his opponent's fast expansion. It's really hard to get rid of bias, if possible.
+1
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On December 02 2011 13:52 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:59 Ruscour wrote:
GET iG IN! THE SICKEST CHINESE TEAM.
Can't believe there's so many people who don't know who TyLoo is :S seriously?
Uhen can beat anyone on that team imo called it! missed the games but Uhen is awesome
I might be reading this wrong but from the looks of it you're saying Uhen can beat anyone on SlayerS... you're clearly mistaken or just overly exhausted so your brain is spewing out falsehoods. Uhen would get dominated by the likes of Boxer, MMA, Ganzi, Clide, Taeja, Ryung. and Puzzle as well as Alicia like he did -.- So please no more falsehoods ok if that is indeed what you're saying that is
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On December 03 2011 00:37 Dattish wrote:
Soo.. Will we see Dream playing in Team Arena anytime? :D I wanna see LoveTT and F91 pull off some crazy macro shenanigans.
+1, <3 LoveTT :D
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On December 02 2011 23:20 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 13:16 Mohdoo wrote:On December 02 2011 12:53 chosenkerrigan wrote:
TyLoo is invited. "LMAO a chinese team?? slayers eve gonna all kill ezpz!!"
Final score 4-5. "What a fucking cheeser!!"
If it's done by Stephano, people will call him a bonjwa.
Some people are just pathetic. You don't have to be extremely smart to sense the stupid bias and ignorance. Did you watch the games? Watch the games, then comment. Slayers also made a conscious decision to let the series potentially go 5-4 by letting all of their "no-name" players participate, only sending out a semi-A-team player in the 5th game. One of their "no-name" players managed to take out 4 players before getting cheesed. The 4 games that Uhen cheesed were not games that people could get a good idea of who Uhen is. He didn't show us the depth to his play. Him choosing to do so 5 games in a row makes people wonder. Its not an unfair question to ask if he is or is not a good player. Its extremely common for teams to send out their B-team players in a match they aren't worried about. It helps give lower-tier players a chance to play in high-stress situations, in hopes of it preparing them for the time when they might be on stage later on. It helps nerves and is good mental conditioning. This map score doesn't tell the story. Do you think Slayers would go 5-4 if they sent out good players? MMA could have 5-0'd this match in an hour. Of course I know SlayerS sent out B-teamers, but that's what they have been doing for months against foreign teams except for maybe mouz. Uhen defeated the "almighty" Golden and took down 4 SlayerS B-teamers in a row, and no foreign team had been able to do that before. Give credit when it's due. I hate to say something controversial to stir up some shit, but I'm pretty damn sure if a real foreigner (or a westerner) no-namer take down 4 Slayers players in a row, people on TL would spend 5 pages praising his "talents" and "creative strategies" no matter how cheesy the games were. That's how it works. When you have bias against some player, you "analyze" the game and "find" how cheesy he is. When you have bias in favor of some player, you are likely to say he "hard-countered" his opponent's fast expansion. It's really hard to get rid of bias, if possible.
I definitely agree with this post. There is some real hypocrisy at times when certain players play cheesier than others. CatZ and TLO are praised while others are condemned for doing similar strategies. It's annoying to be sure.
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Holy fuck, that zvz blew my mind O_O
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On December 02 2011 16:23 Geordie wrote:
First time SlayerS ever brought out a big gun with alicia. I would of liked tyloo to win becasuse its getting boring now
They brought out Ryung, Coca and Puzzle against mousesports, I think all of them are better then Alicia. If they would have send out tonights line-up against Mousesports, they would have been crushed.
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Are there vods for this? Can't find them anywhere
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