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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 19:23:44
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5301
On November 27 2011 04:21 sodapop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 04:21 Ketch wrote:
Do you have to put your leg over your knee on stage? :D


Swedish law.

As a genuine Swede, I can guarantee that sitting leg over knee is 100x more comfortable than anything else if you have the option.
Edit: Not exactly in that way though >.>
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5302
TLO should give his GameofDrones account to Ret, now that would be awesome ^^.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5303
i don't know dudes

i thought the sf tournament was a nice intermission to starcraft

i'm a complete nooblet when it comes to fighting games so i had no clue what was going on, but it moves so fast i found it entertaining anyway

i'd say fighting games are the basketball of esports, they're just gogogogogogo
starcraft is more like american football where it's slow paced and revolves around the occassional major play
aaaaa
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5304
Imagine they play the world championship curling match during world cup. There will be a huge uproar from the viewers. Should the fans who want to watch world cup be ashamed for hating sports? And yes, I just compared SF4 to curling.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 19:23:38
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5305
On November 27 2011 04:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 04:19 Plexa wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:15 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:14 Mekebra wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:11 1ManArmy wrote:
Does capcom support the game by bringing out new patches / nerfing , buffing certain characters?
Or are there just a few characters viable for competitive gaming?

They change things around from what I know.

And then when major changes happen, they release Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo Advanced FX (Add words as you please)
But obviously they'll never achieve full balance, just as with any game.
However, the skill it takes and the reactions needed more than weigh up a lot of the balancing as, simply put, there aren't enough factors to outweigh imba skills.


Starcraft: Broodwar !
So, for the record. Terran is completely balanced in SC1 right? And not weak to Protoss, right?! !!!


Even if I wanted to argue about it, Flash would prove me wrong, so no. Terran is not weak to Protoss.


You don't care about it so much anymore. Is this a direct result of you barely touching it? ;x
GreenAndOrangeTurtle
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia193 Posts
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5306
On November 27 2011 04:19 kslghost wrote:
Dota games (LoL, HoN, Dota2) are all very fun games, but tend to fail as e-Sports because the games last 50 minutes with only 15-25 kills in a game often times. I think a big error on the design of these games is that characters that become more powerful cannot die or else their team is very likely to lose, thus discouraging aggression and action. It's kind of like how sometimes two guys TvT turtle up and one battle decides it all, but there's no potential for "cheese aggression" to end the game early because the inner towers are very strong in the early game. Until a developer comes along and makes the games more action filled and shorter, it will struggle to bring in "outside money" that SC2 thrives quite heavily on.


The heroes don't die very often but you are always killing stuff. There is some early aggression if you go for a ganking strategy but it generally doesn't end the game for 10 mins because unlike sc people dont gg early, they play out the game to the end
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5307
What is so interesting on the side, Apollo?
I am not young enough to know everything.
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 19:24:22
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5308
On November 27 2011 04:22 Lord_J wrote:
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On November 27 2011 04:19 ZeromuS wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:17 Lord_J wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:14 Bru wrote:
Im a big quake fan, and love sc2, but just because of "esports" do i havto like all the other games? =)


Yeah, that's silly. It's like saying you can't be a sports fan unless you dig bowling and NASCAR...


Seriously, if you don't like it tune out. You don't see hockey fans who hate soccer go to a world cup bar and yell at the screen asking when the games going to end do you? :/ Respect its all that needs to be shown FFS.


Well, you don't see a hockey broadcast stopped halfway through to show the world cup, do you? If you did, I can guarantee that you would see hockey fans complaining, and vice versa if they interrupted the world cup to show the kings playing the senators.

Dreamhack is like the olympics, not like the World Cup. They celebrate everything, not just one game. You're pretty fucking ignorant and new to Dreamhack if you think they are a SC2 event
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5309
When does HerO vs ret start?
Thanks.
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5310
i rly love the castercouch. NASL/MLG/ESL plz copy that
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
November 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#5311
On November 27 2011 04:22 Neeh wrote:
Put ALL the legs over the other!


What are you?!

+ Show Spoiler +
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The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
KCrazy
Profile Joined August 2009
United States278 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5312
i love the inter-mingling of games! really looking forward to the quake finals <3
"We need alcohol" ~Stork
Zalitara
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway361 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5313
On November 27 2011 04:20 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 04:18 ImHuko wrote:
You don't have to like other games, but you don't have to shit on something you don't even understand. The players in SSF4 are equally as talented in their game as others are in SC2. In fact, a new player to SC2 has a better chance of beating a pro in SC2 than they do in a fighting game.


These discussions and outbursts wouldn't even happen if tournament organizers took a hint and stopped interrupting their events and mixing in content that isn't supposed to be mixed in.

As far as I'm concerned, until they do take a hint, I won't have a problem with negative reactions.
There is a big difference between a "negative reaction" and shitting all over something though. I didn't enjoy that SFIV match very much because I have no idea what they were doing, but I would never say the game is shit and dreamhack should just cut it. Sometimes SCII fans seem like bullies, like that strong kid that takes over an area of the school yard with his friends, not letting anyone else play there. It's possible to not like a game, but still respect it.
Live to win
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5314
On November 27 2011 04:23 anrimayu wrote:
Imagine they play the world championship curling match during world cup. There will be a huge uproar from the viewers. Should the fans who want to watch world cup be ashamed for hating sports? And yes, I just compared SF4 to curling.



I think you missed the part where Dreamhack isn't an sc2 only event.
SPQR13
Profile Joined June 2011
181 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5315
On November 27 2011 04:19 Tantaburs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 04:16 Radook wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:14 Bru wrote:
Im a big quake fan, and love sc2, but just because of "esports" do i havto like all the other games? =)


No but no reason to be an a-hole when they show something you don't like.


Its not that the people who are upset that they stopped the SC2 tourney to show SSF4 are upset that SSF4 is considered an e-Sport it is that they want to watch SC2 not SSF4.

SC2 has a huge scene so tourney organizers seem to be lumping in finals of other games to increase viewers (ala LoL at IPL)



They didnt just "stop the SC2 tourney" ...
There is a fuckin SCHEDULE
Tjubatjubs
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden30 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5316
On November 27 2011 04:14 Chaosvuistje wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 04:12 nokz88 wrote:
So, the SF4 fans tell me this game has lots of strategy and such. OK I believe you.

But why aren't these casters telling us about it? Their casting has no strategic depth whatsoever. They are shoutcasting, which is great, but there needs to be someone who can explain the finer points of the game to the ignorant audience like me, or I am not compelled to find out more about it. Shame.


I have to agree with this guy.

I love the simplicity of Street fighter and how i can still follow it with the straight forward HP bar. But the inner strategies were kind of left out of the commentary.

Compare this to Quake live, same simplicity. But the commentators have a lot of experience in getting through the amazing strategic depth of the game. Which is what actually made me play it some time ago.

None the less, good games were played.


Article about this:
"Here’s the issue at hand. The problem with commentary isn’t that we aren’t taking the correct cues from Starcraft. It’s that fight game casting in general, not just the commentary portion, has foolishly tried to walk down the trail blazed by Starcraft.

We can’t do the same things they do. The games are too different. What we should be doing is gathering thinkers and visionaries to begin to draft up ideas for pushing fighting games forward in new ways within the digital medium. The traditional paradigm – direct feed game footage, put on some overlays, get two shmucks to talk about what’s happening on screen – just doesn’t work as well for us as it does for Starcraft. We need to do our own thing, a new thing altogether.”
-UltraDavid
http://shoryuken.com/2011/10/19/improving-live-streams-the-commentary-quandary/
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5317
On November 27 2011 04:23 darkness wrote:
When does HerO vs ret start?
Thanks.


Very soon
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5318
Wish we had more in depht couch discussions like this, it's really cool and shows us that tasteless definitely has not lost his passion :D
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5319
On November 27 2011 04:23 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 04:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:19 Plexa wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:15 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:14 Mekebra wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:11 1ManArmy wrote:
Does capcom support the game by bringing out new patches / nerfing , buffing certain characters?
Or are there just a few characters viable for competitive gaming?

They change things around from what I know.

And then when major changes happen, they release Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo Advanced FX (Add words as you please)
But obviously they'll never achieve full balance, just as with any game.
However, the skill it takes and the reactions needed more than weigh up a lot of the balancing as, simply put, there aren't enough factors to outweigh imba skills.


Starcraft: Broodwar !
So, for the record. Terran is completely balanced in SC1 right? And not weak to Protoss, right?! !!!


Even if I wanted to argue about it, Flash would prove me wrong, so no. Terran is not weak to Protoss.


You don't care about it so much anymore. Is this a direct result of you barely touching it? ;x


Nope, thats what I always thought.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
November 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#5320
On November 27 2011 04:16 nokz88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 04:13 KeksX wrote:
On November 27 2011 04:12 nokz88 wrote:
So, the SF4 fans tell me this game has lots of strategy and such. OK I believe you.

But why aren't these casters telling us about it? Their casting has no strategic depth whatsoever. They are shoutcasting, which is great, but there needs to be someone who can explain the finer points of the game to the ignorant audience like me, or I am not compelled to find out more about it. Shame.

You are mistaking strategy with tactics. Please look up these terms before you want to discuss it.

Whatever dude, they are talking none of it. And your attitude isn't helping either


dont' really see why the cast itself needs strategic depth. starcraft has it own shoutcasting and totalbiscuit comes to mind. street fighter pacing is like a minute-long micro tumble; non-stop, split second decision making along with split-second execution. if you miss one specific attack, it costs you the game nearly instantly. you want to speak strategy when it comes to a live-casted finals? you would atleast need to be into the scene to even remotely understand what you'd want to know.

don't be ignorant, those two nice casting fellows seemed like they would gladly answer your scrubbiest questions on any other day, but those were the grand finals of the tournament---you're getting minimal of everything other than a play-by-play
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
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