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On November 20 2011 22:53 Deckkie wrote: wrf! Just finished the red stream. How come nobody told about the on stage wedding proposal? Who is getting married?
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On November 20 2011 22:44 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:37 TaKemE wrote:On November 20 2011 22:34 figq wrote:On November 20 2011 22:31 Flyingdutchman wrote: I'm sorry if this is already explained in the previous 600+ pages, but how could Naniwa check for hatch first? The game didn't restart, so how was he able to check for build order at the score screen or in a replay? And I didn't know players were allowed to pause the game themselves. Shouldn't they ask for pp? It was not broadcast, but during ads between game 2 and 3, there was a failed attempt to start game 3, which was then stopped (because there were still ads in progress). And during the break that followed, Naniwa watched the replay from that failed game. That all happens before the whole pausing story that we've seen on the stream. On November 20 2011 22:33 TaKemE wrote:On November 20 2011 22:29 figq wrote:On November 20 2011 21:55 eot wrote: Don't you automatically see the build order if you regame? After a game you always see the opponent's build order in the menu that pops up That's true, but if that was all Naniwa needed to know - he wouldn't have watched the replay. The game wasent restarted check vod. It's not in the VOD, it happens during ads. Check the thread. Ok but any idea how long they played in the first game before it was restarted? The 1min 47sec alot talk about is 2. game that wasent restarted. Here's the original source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/c318uabAccording to it - over a minute. Anyway, my personal take on the whole case is + Show Spoiler + that it's not that important. It's good to know that Naniwa is improving, and can beat MVP and Nestea on stage, but he more or less knew that already, because he can beat them (and any of the top Koreans) on the ladder. But that still doesn't mean much, even if he wins this MLG, and has an impressive record vs MVP and Nestea. They are still 3-time GSL champions, and Naniwa still has a lot of work to do, and he knows it even better than us. It's a long way to show consistency and to prove ability to win after his styles become very well known and analyzed, like theirs. That reddit post is a really good post that I think a lot of the flamers here need to read.
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if MLG takes action against Naniwa and makes him forfeit the game ....
is everyone complaining still "Nestea fanboys whining"
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Best thing about this tournament so far is the fact that Terran are getting owned left right and centre. DRG or Naniwa to win it for me! Although Hero is doing really well too...
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Finished watching the red stream, most impressed by Huk. Looking forward to today's finish of this great tournament.
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Just finished watching what I missed after I went to bed last night. So sad that Huk sent Hero down to the Loser's Bracket 
Never mind though! Hopefully he'll now come from down there to win it!
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On November 20 2011 19:24 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 19:23 Sneakyz wrote:On November 20 2011 19:21 Zalithian wrote: Naniwa himself has admitted he's BM. I don't know what further proof anyone would require. What? Naniwa is most certainly BM and I really don't give a shit about that, but what he said in the interview wasn't meant as BM. And thumbing down directly at Nestea after beating him isn't BM? Really giving up on this now. People will continue to think whatever they like.
Please tell me you are just joking. Thumbing down your opponent who told everyone he would destroy you is the least you could expect
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Edited because it really isn't worth dragging the whole Nestea/Naniwa brouhaha out.
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Yeah lets talk about the games.. I am a bit disappointed in Oz's and Puzzle's performance.... but then again Artosis said they are gonna do great at this MLG :D
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On November 20 2011 22:51 LeBadger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:41 Hubris wrote:On November 20 2011 22:26 oFFoy wrote:On November 20 2011 22:22 Hubris wrote: What's more sad than the people crying over race/players are the people stating that losing respect for naniwa is inherently race/fan boy related. This is simply not the case. Nestea played bad, sure. Is it about balance? No. Is it about him beating favorites? I was happy for him and argued his case for beating them, so no.
What it is, is poor sportsmanship. He called another respectful player an idiot after winning via all in style (arrogance is never liked) on an action that for intents and purposes naniwa was behind on. Nestea lost that match due to his follow up, Naniwa overreacted to the mind games, but had a decent follow up. Still no reason to call him or his style idotic. Seems very arrogant, especially after losing the second game there, which made it clear it was nestea's foul on army placement and read of Naniwa's build that cost him that game. Not overall skill. Then, the guy has the nerve to pause an international tourny with thousands watching because he didn't understand the map rules. Im sorry, this is unprofessional as well. If you're a high tier player, you should know those rules, as someone from MLG already pointed out. After that, he was accused of watching the reply to see if he went hatch first, which is huge for cannon rush tactics. He also BMed the tourny he was in, while BMing the audience by freezing the match ups so he could cannon rush. Then, after all his BM and arrogance, he has the nerve to thumbs down Nestea as if he still has any credibility from the matches. I normally cheer for foreigners, but today I think we've all seen why Nestea/MVP are code S level and why Naniwa is code b/a. There was no need for any of that from Naniwa. The fact it all happened back to back takes away from his results this tourny, his clan, and from his respect as a player from a large portion of the community. well he apologised: I'm glad he's trying to rectify his actions, but I think it seems a little late. That second Nestea series was ruined for me (apparently many other as well) by his actions, and his words/ethics at MLG regarding the bm and replay took away all the respect I had for a very determined foreigner winning against two top tier players. I think it's too little, too late. Especially when I feel like this is more his clan putting him in line than his actual feelings on the subject. It wasn't until after they got on him that he changed his bm or attempted to make up for the antics he pulled. He did a great job winning the invitational Friday, but I don't think I respect him as a SC2 player anymore after his actions regarding those games or Saturday's events. If it was just one BM, I and many would not be mentioning our complaints, but the fact remains these bm actions took place back to back and they only got worse. He's a bm arrogant player, and my best goes out to any player he faces (regardless of their race) as my favorite due to his unsportsman like behavior. Perhaps he was so busy playing a Starcraft 2 tournament that he wasn't able to get caught up on all the buzz until much later?
Exactly. He's BM and arrogant and didn't think twice about it.
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Naniwa's english isn't particularly good. But if you actually watch the interview it's obvious that he means that he thought the decision to send the drones was idiotic. Not that Nestea as a person is an idiot. Cermonies are just for entertainment value and you can even see that he's not really that comfortable doing one.
Obviously he wants everything to be just as he imagines them to be when playing the deciding game. The admin shouldn't have told him wrong.
Negative comments about MLG will certainly not go down with fans but that's really just side-stuff and a fan issue. People arguing he should be punished for it must be out of their mind and probably applied for positions at KESPA.
MLG should definitely put in place unambiguous guidelines about replay watching. I don't approve of it during regames and I don't think anybody else does either.
From how the games went down however, Naniwa was clearly a deserving winner. Nestea also got to prove that his strategy on Taldarim Altar was actually superior and not idiotic.
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Btw which stream showed the MC v Mvp games? Can't find them in the VODs on that MLG player...
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On November 20 2011 23:30 Titorelli wrote: Btw which stream showed the MC v Mvp games? Can't find them in the VODs on that MLG player... Red stream. For some reason, they're labeled as MC vs DRG in the VODs section.
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On November 20 2011 23:31 Talionis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 23:30 Titorelli wrote: Btw which stream showed the MC v Mvp games? Can't find them in the VODs on that MLG player... Red stream. For some reason, they're labeled as MC vs DRG in the VODs section. Thanks a lot!
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On November 20 2011 23:01 ToguRo wrote: if MLG takes action against Naniwa and makes him forfeit the game ....
is everyone complaining still "Nestea fanboys whining"
Obviously the admin was Nestea fan. Perfect logic.
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Just watched the matches I had to miss last night. Awesome results. So glad Naniwa beat Nestea again. He has got to be feeling good at the moment. Tough match against huk coming up though.
Also so happy MC beat Idra, again. I love MC.
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On November 20 2011 23:27 ParasitJonte wrote: Naniwa's english isn't particularly good. But if you actually watch the interview it's obvious that he means that he thought the decision to send the drones was idiotic. Not that Nestea as a person is an idiot. Cermonies are just for entertainment value and you can even see that he's not really that comfortable doing one.
Obviously he wants everything to be just as he imagines them to be when playing the deciding game. The admin shouldn't have told him wrong.
Negative comments about MLG will certainly not go down with fans but that's really just side-stuff and a fan issue. People arguing he should be punished for it must be out of their mind and probably applied for positions at KESPA.
MLG should definitely put in place unambiguous guidelines about replay watching. I don't approve of it during regames and I don't think anybody else does either.
From how the games went down however, Naniwa was clearly a deserving winner. Nestea also got to prove that his strategy on Taldarim Altar was actually superior and not idiotic.
His English is bad, but there is not doubt he meant him as a person. Unless he was referring to worker pull as a genius idea. His convo was in reference to a drone pull but that whole comment can not be taken any other way but to reference the person in the English language. Furthermore, I don't believe his apology. If he meant it, he would've clarified before the game as he knew Nestea was mad about the insult. Instead he thumbs down Nestea right after the pause debacle.
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