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figq
12519 Posts
On November 20 2011 21:55 eot wrote: That's true, but if that was all Naniwa needed to know - he wouldn't have watched the replay.Don't you automatically see the build order if you regame? After a game you always see the opponent's build order in the menu that pops up | ||
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
lol I knew it had to do with bad vocabulary second language etc... tried to explain it but meh | ||
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:27 TaKemE wrote: From what I can get out of it Nestea also got to talk to one from his team in that break. In the Game Naniwa went into main to scout, then went back to check for expo after seing no pool and then used cannons thats standard play and a reson why many zerg dont go hatch first against toss, but sure when nestea loses there is always something wrong and its never his own play. Indeed, nestea fanboys are going wild in this thread. | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:29 figq wrote: That's true, but if that was all Naniwa needed to know - he wouldn't have watched the replay. The game wasent restarted check vod. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:26 oFFoy wrote: well he apologised: https://twitter.com/#!/CoLNaniwa/status/138116562086404096 that's a step in the right direction. he's probably not a cheat in the strictest sense, and he was the better player that day, but his actions were uncalled for. he probably did have a minute advantage through the replay, although the game would have probably played out in the same fashion. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:31 Flyingdutchman wrote: It was not broadcast, but during ads between game 2 and 3, there was a failed attempt to start game 3, which was then stopped (because there were still ads in progress). And during the break that followed, Naniwa watched the replay from that failed game. That all happens before the whole pausing story that we've seen on the stream.I'm sorry if this is already explained in the previous 600+ pages, but how could Naniwa check for hatch first? The game didn't restart, so how was he able to check for build order at the score screen or in a replay? And I didn't know players were allowed to pause the game themselves. Shouldn't they ask for pp? It's not in the VOD, it happens during ads. Check the thread. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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petrox
Australia320 Posts
this deserves more attention than all the e drama put together in the last ~50 pages or so! | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:34 figq wrote: It was not broadcast, but during ads between game 2 and 3, there was a failed attempt to start game 3, which was then stopped (because there were still ads in progress). And during the break that followed, Naniwa watched the replay from that failed game. That all happens before the whole pausing story that we've seen on the stream. It's not in the VOD, it happens during ads. Check the thread. Ok but any idea how long they played in the first game before it was restarted? The 1min 47sec alot talk about is 2. game that wasent restarted. | ||
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Xenorawks
158 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:29 SeriouR wrote: How were the games beetwen Huk and Hero? too abd hero lost, such a good run:O + Show Spoiler + I'm really surprised Hero didn't try to play a standard game for 2 games in a row. Double gas steal in the first and proxy 2 gate in the second game. Maybe he is hoping to take advantage of HuK because if you watch HuK's stream, he actually doesn't scout or scouts very very late so maybe Hero thought he can count on that? I mean, it would be pretty daring to try to cheese someone who has such good control. Hero's micro is really good too, I'm sure he would have at least went toe to toe with HuK even in a twilight robo play. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:12 Defacer wrote: 1. Analogy is fine. If the opening and spawn positions didn't matter than Naniwa wouldn't have insisted on restarting the game, would he? 2. just because Blizzard allows you to see the build order on the score screen doesn't mean you should be able to. Again, spawn locations and timings are critical. 3. there's enough accounts and circumstantial evidence to confirm this. 4. Just because there isn't 'a rule' doesn't mean I should give credit where credit isn't due. Is Naniwa a good player? Yes. Does this game prove he's a better player than Nestea? Not really. Did Naniwa manipulate the referees to allow him to execute his preferred strategy. Arguably, yes. This happens a lot of sports. Jordon, Lebron, Shaq -- all notorious whiners that got away with stretching the rules. It doesn't mean they weren't great players, but I don't see why I have acknowledge how Naniwa won 'fair and square' when he obviously didn't. The analogy is horrible. It has nothing to do with him wanting to pee nor was that the reason for the restart. The reastart was because the admin told him that the map only had cross spawns. Something you would have known if you had acutually taken yourself the time to read the last 3 pages. Naniwa was put a disadvantage due to the referee giving him false information. If anyone is to blame here its mlg. As for the replay part. If naniwa should be held accountable for that I think nestea should be as well for watching the score screen. Its almost the same thing. As for Nainwa manipulating the referee... well now youre making shit up again. | ||
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:26 oFFoy wrote: well he apologised: https://twitter.com/#!/CoLNaniwa/status/138116562086404096 I'm glad he's trying to rectify his actions, but I think it seems a little late. That second Nestea series was ruined for me (apparently many other as well) by his actions, and his words/ethics at MLG regarding the bm and replay took away all the respect I had for a very determined foreigner winning against two top tier players. I think it's too little, too late. Especially when I feel like this is more his clan putting him in line than his actual feelings on the subject. It wasn't until after they got on him that he changed his bm or attempted to make up for the antics he pulled. He did a great job winning the invitational Friday, but I don't think I respect him as a SC2 player anymore after his actions regarding those games or Saturday's events. If it was just one BM, I and many would not be mentioning our complaints, but the fact remains these bm actions took place back to back and they only got worse. He's a bm arrogant player, and my best goes out to any player he faces (regardless of their race) as my favorite due to his unsportsman like behavior. | ||
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:34 figq wrote: It was not broadcast, but during ads between game 2 and 3, there was a failed attempt to start game 3, which was then stopped (because there were still ads in progress). And during the break that followed, Naniwa watched the replay from that failed game. That all happens before the whole pausing story that we've seen on the stream. It's not in the VOD, it happens during ads. Check the thread. ah so the claims are not about checking build orders after he paused the game, ok that makes more sense | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:37 TaKemE wrote: Here's the original source:Ok but any idea how long they played in the first game before it was restarted? The 1min 47sec alot talk about is 2. game that wasent restarted. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/c318uab According to it - over a minute. Anyway, my personal take on the whole case is+ Show Spoiler + that it's not that important. It's good to know that Naniwa is improving, and can beat MVP and Nestea on stage, but he more or less knew that already, because he can beat them (and any of the top Koreans) on the ladder. But that still doesn't mean much, even if he wins this MLG, and has an impressive record vs MVP and Nestea. They are still 3-time GSL champions, and Naniwa still has a lot of work to do, and he knows it even better than us. It's a long way to show consistency and to prove ability to win after his styles become very well known and analyzed, like theirs. So, whether or not game 3 vs Nestea is entirely legit doesn't change the big picture. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
I'm sad I did not find the Bear Captain with Pirate Hat. Edit : HO I FIND IT! | ||
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LeBadger
Canada37 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:41 Hubris wrote: Perhaps he was so busy playing a Starcraft 2 tournament that he wasn't able to get caught up on all the buzz until much later?I'm glad he's trying to rectify his actions, but I think it seems a little late. That second Nestea series was ruined for me (apparently many other as well) by his actions, and his words/ethics at MLG regarding the bm and replay took away all the respect I had for a very determined foreigner winning against two top tier players. I think it's too little, too late. Especially when I feel like this is more his clan putting him in line than his actual feelings on the subject. It wasn't until after they got on him that he changed his bm or attempted to make up for the antics he pulled. He did a great job winning the invitational Friday, but I don't think I respect him as a SC2 player anymore after his actions regarding those games or Saturday's events. If it was just one BM, I and many would not be mentioning our complaints, but the fact remains these bm actions took place back to back and they only got worse. He's a bm arrogant player, and my best goes out to any player he faces (regardless of their race) as my favorite due to his unsportsman like behavior. | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
How come nobody told about the on stage wedding proposal? | ||
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:53 Deckkie wrote: wrf! Just finished the red stream. How come nobody told about the on stage wedding proposal? "CUZ NANI CALLED NESTEA AN IDIOT!" Things getting blown out of proportion as usual. Huk and nani got a real shot to win this one! | ||
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