EPTMLG Providence Day 2 Live Report Thread - Page 660
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:50 Plethora wrote: I'm attending the tourney, they clearly allow you to because I have seen a large number of players do so between matches. I feel they should change the rule, but for now it is what it is. This. I saw it happen a lot at Raleigh. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:52 usethis2 wrote: Really..? Players can pause for whatever reason (however legitimate) and watch the replays up to that point before resuming the game, and that's what has happened in previous MLGs every time someone paused a game? Uh yeah, because that's exactly what I said right? Wtf? | ||
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Plethora
United States206 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:50 Femari wrote: There was no regame for a wrong map choice so idk what you're trying to say. Naniwa was told (supposedly) by MLG staff that the version of the map they were playing was cross-spawns only. He specifically asked the staffer because he didn't know. If the various map versions weren't all so easily confusable, why would he have had to ask? | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:49 Lavi wrote: but does MLG specifically say you can watch replay on restarted maps? Its much different then watching a replay of a completed map, and moving on to a new map for the next set... -_- I definitely agree with this. I say watching a replay on a completed map and moving on to a new map for the next game can be allowed, but watching the replay of an in completed game, especially on the same map/player should not be allowed. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:52 usethis2 wrote: Really..? Players can pause for whatever reason (however legitimate) and watch the replays up to that point before resuming the game, and that's what has happened in previous MLGs every time someone paused a game? Uh... That's not what happened. You can't watch a replay when the game is paused. What happened, AFAIK, is that they started a game on Shakuras during commercial break, cross positions, and then paused it right as Naniwa was about to scout Nestea. They were then told to restart the game because presumably the casters weren't able to cast it. Naniwa watched the replay. Nestea didn't. In this restarted game, Naniwa scouted cross positions again but didn't find Nestea there. He freaked out because he thought he was hosting a cross positions only map. They paused it again, but didn't restart. They then had to play out that game, which was on horizontal positions, and that's what we saw as Game 3. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:52 usethis2 wrote: Really..? Players can pause for whatever reason (however legitimate) and watch the replays up to that point before resuming the game, and that's what has happened in previous MLGs every time someone paused a game? You can't watch the replays of a paused game. You can watch replays of a stopped game however. Big difference. Naniwa would have gained a bit of an advantage over Nestea because of that, but nothing game changing, because ultimately there were two DIFFERNET games. And Nestea could have done the same had he known because there were no rules against it. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:54 casualman wrote: Just because the game restarted didn't mean Nestea was forced to go the exact same build. Going the same build two games in a row is asking to get sniped. You prepare specific builds for specific matchups on specifics matches. It's not like people have a huge number of builds for each of 3 matchups on each of 6? maps. You don't expect to lose the surprise factors on one of your builds because they have to restart due to a technical issue. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
1) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and resumed the same game where it was paused. 2) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and a new game was played on the same map. Which one is it? | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:58 diophan wrote: You prepare specific builds for specific matchups on specifics matches. It's not like people have a huge number of builds for each of 3 matchups on each of 6? maps. You don't expect to lose the surprise factors on one of your builds because they have to restart due to a technical issue. The problem with being that strict about the rules is that they can't easily stop players from doing this. You can find out the opponent's build order in the score screen by just clicking on the tab that says build order - you don't have to watch the replay to do it. They'd have to have someone monitoring the player's screen all the time, because all it takes is one glance for a pro to know the opponent's build. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:59 usethis2 wrote: Well, I'm confused on the allegation. Is the allegation that: 1) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and resumed the same game where it was paused. 2) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and a new game was played on the same map. Which one is it? Neither. See a few posts above you. | ||
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esaul17
Canada547 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:59 usethis2 wrote: Well, I'm confused on the allegation. Is the allegation that: 1) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and resumed the same game where it was paused. 2) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and a new game was played on the same map. Which one is it? Neither. Game was started, but had to be restarted as it wasn't being casted. Naniwa looked at that replay. Then on the new game, Naniwa paused due to being confused on cross-spawns. Naniwa pausing happened after the replay was viewed, and did not cause the game to restart. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:59 usethis2 wrote: Well, I'm confused on the allegation. Is the allegation that: 1) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and resumed the same game where it was paused. 2) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and a new game was played on the same map. Which one is it? 1) isn't even possible on SC2 client, so whoever said that is just talking out their ass | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:59 usethis2 wrote: Well, I'm confused on the allegation. Is the allegation that: 1) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and resumed the same game where it was paused. 2) Naniwa paused, watched the replay, and a new game was played on the same map. Which one is it? Something happened which caused the first game to be paused and subsequently stopped so Naniwa could use the bathroom. Nestea left to use the bathroom shortly after. Naniwa came back before Nestea and watched the replay of the STOPPED game. A new game was played (which we saw on stream) You CAN'T watch the replay of a paused game. I'm 100% sure of that. It would be a stupidly gamebreaking feature if such a thing was possible. | ||
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:01 Azarkon wrote: The problem with being that strict about the rules is that they can't easily stop players from doing this. You can find out the opponent's build order in the score screen by just clicking on the tab that says build order - you don't have to watch the replay to do it. They'd have to have someone monitoring the player's screen all the time, because all it takes is one glance for a pro to know the opponent's build. Well it's against the rules in the GSL and IPL. I'm not sure how they enforce it, but it shouldn't be that hard to tell the players they need to leave the score screen immediately and then look in their booth to make sure they do that. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:00 Heavenly wrote: Lmao well I'm done with this argument, it's nothing more than badmouthing against Naniwa and completely nonsensical. Nothing will happen at all because of it and it's not against the rules. Feel free to continue acting affronted over absolutely nothing. People are being incredibly reasonable here. It amazes me how people like you always need to feel like victims of injustice. -_- I have to agree, though, that Naniwa's actions were borderline at best and very unlikely to be technically illegal at MLG. I doubt Nestea or anyone on IM would care, really. What's important is this doesn't just get pushed under the rug for no reason. People should definitely discuss this type of thing when it happens. | ||
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